papazoid Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 9-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 6 to 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 10-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Not a clue. Expect 0-16, hope for 16-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 And what evidence do you have they want profit over wins? Because that is an easy argument to lose and make a fool of yourself Oh, I don't know ... because none of the CBs they have now are making anywhere near as much as Stephon Gilmore gets. because Sammy Watkins would cost the Bills millions more than Jordan Matthews. because the trades were done after season tix sales were completed, and when most of the individual game tix have been sold, too. Finally, trading Watkins doesn't make any kind of football sense at all. A team looking to actually rebuild jettisons its expensive older players not its few young talents. Trading Watkins doesn't make the team bad enough to have a 2-3 win season which would likely guarantee the Bills a shot at a top collegiate QB if there's one to be had in 2018. Therefore, instead of using all those high picks to add talent to the team, they go to make some other team richer in talent in order to secure a shot at a QB. The Watkins trade does deprive Taylor of his most reliable -- and dangerous -- target this year and make his being a successful passer in 2017 more difficult, so there's going to be fewer complaints when he's cut in the off season before he's due any bonuses or salary, especially when fans are dazzled by the prospect of that shiny new model QB to be plucked from the 2018 draft. If the Bills manage to finagle their way into a top five pick and take a QB, the team will probably sell more season tickets than they did in 2009 when they signed Terrell Owens as the "savior". Oh, and one more thing: Russ Brandon is still running the show, just as he has since at least 2006. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, it's likely a duck. You can "Billieve" it's an eagle if you want but after 17 years of putting up with the BS shelled out by OBD, I ain't buying the duck poop they're peddling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Oh, I don't know ... because none of the CBs they have now are making anywhere near as much as Stephon Gilmore gets. because Sammy Watkins would cost the Bills millions more than Jordan Matthews. because the trades were done after season tix sales were completed, and when most of the individual game tix have been sold, too. Finally, trading Watkins doesn't make any kind of football sense at all. A team looking to actually rebuild jettisons its expensive older players not its few young talents. Trading Watkins doesn't make the team bad enough to have a 2-3 win season which would likely guarantee the Bills a shot at a top collegiate QB if there's one to be had in 2018. Therefore, instead of using all those high picks to add talent to the team, they go to make some other team richer in talent in order to secure a shot at a QB. The Watkins trade does deprive Taylor of his most reliable -- and dangerous -- target this year and make his being a successful passer in 2017 more difficult, so there's going to be fewer complaints when he's cut in the off season before he's due any bonuses or salary, especially when fans are dazzled by the prospect of that shiny new model QB to be plucked from the 2018 draft. If the Bills manage to finagle their way into a top five pick and take a QB, the team will probably sell more season tickets than they did in 2009 when they signed Terrell Owens as the "savior". Oh, and one more thing: Russ Brandon is still running the show, just as he has since at least 2006. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, it's likely a duck. You can "Billieve" it's an eagle if you want but after 17 years of putting up with the BS shelled out by OBD, I ain't buying the duck poop they're peddling. what makes more money? a winning team or losing team? playoff home game? a superbowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigdaddyinOrlando Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 4 or 5 i'll say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Vegas had us at 6 wins with Sammy and Darby. I am thinking those trades adjust the line down at least one. So yea about 4 or 5 wins seems about right. Not to mention anyone see the craptastic pass protection Thursday. Taylor is gonna get killed MAJ, Darby was awful last year. Even Rex benched him at one point though he may have been ill. Watkins barely played. 28 receptions in 2016. They can find 28 receptions with the new WRs. Looking at the schedule is pointless. So many things will happen. Look no further than last year - no one predicted the Bills would beat the Cardinals prior to the season (of course I called them beating the Cards after the Jets loss) I see a much improved defense. I see potential catastrophe at the OT spots. I have been on record that CK should have been the starting LT and it was stupid to cut him. If Glenn can play then they will have 10 wins - five in the Division alone. If Glenn goes to IR and TT gets hurt in the first half of the season, then I see fours wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 what makes more money? a winning team or losing team? playoff home game? a superbowl? First off, the bulk of team revenues these days come from the televison deals. The teams that are able to sell luxury boxes and seat licenses rake in really big $$$ from those sales, but that's not the Bills. Their ticket sales add modestly to their revenue. If the season tix are already sold, and most individual game tix are sold, the team already has the vast bulk of its attendance money for 2017, so trading Watkins after the first preseason game had little risk. Not re-signing Gilmore probably weakened the secondary enough so that it was unlikely the team could win 10 games and have a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Making the playoffs would have likely added to 2018 attendance but probably not all that much unless the team had a playoff win or two, too. That scenario was unlikely even with Gilmore and Watkins, so their high salaries made them expendable. Winning only 6 games rather than 8 isn't going to significantly impact 2018 season tix sales. Winning only 2 games in 2017 would likely create a drop in ticket sales, especially if the team sent established stars like Kyle Williams and Sean McCoy packing. Even drafting a first round QB might not have helped raise the numbers. The organization can't market a 2 or 3 win team as just a QB away from the playoffs. It can market a 6 win team as being a playoff contender with a shiny new high first round QB as the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) 19. The McBean regime says they're trying to win this season and I'm sold. Edited August 16, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNMBillsFan Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 9-6, maybe 10-6 if they can actually make 40- 49 yd field goals this year. 4-9 just doesn't cut it in the NFL, last year carpenter cost them 2 that I remember, and that was with the clown as the coach and IMO a worse receiving group. Time will tell Go Bills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Probably 7ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valle7878 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 WINS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 10-6 sneak into playoffs in week 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 was going to go 4-12, but i see one more win with injury riddled 'fins 5-11 19. The McBean regime says they're trying to win this season and I'm sold. WOW all in amirite??? we just cannot lose to the jets. just saying Seriously I'm betting those two games will be dogfights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 6 if they keep TT. 4 if Peterman starts. I see a split with them actually DUDE??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 6 wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1960 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Stick with original pick of 10-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 16 Until the first loss and then 15. Until the next loss and then 14. Rinse, repeat....but never give up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 6-10 3-3 inside the division 3-7 outisde the division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 4-5 wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I still need to see more of 2 things: 1) How well our top 2 QBs perform & 2) How our D-secondary performs (We can not continue playing our Dbs so far back). Go Bills!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samwell Tarly Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 About 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Sal MaioranaVerified account @salmaiorana Aug 13 More Seeing some 7-9 predictions for #Bills now dropped to 4-12, 5-11. Is Sammy really a 2-3 win player? I really don’t think so. That’s crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Oh, I don't know ... because none of the CBs they have now are making anywhere near as much as Stephon Gilmore gets. because Sammy Watkins would cost the Bills millions more than Jordan Matthews. because the trades were done after season tix sales were completed, and when most of the individual game tix have been sold, too. Finally, trading Watkins doesn't make any kind of football sense at all. A team looking to actually rebuild jettisons its expensive older players not its few young talents. Trading Watkins doesn't make the team bad enough to have a 2-3 win season which would likely guarantee the Bills a shot at a top collegiate QB if there's one to be had in 2018. Therefore, instead of using all those high picks to add talent to the team, they go to make some other team richer in talent in order to secure a shot at a QB. The Watkins trade does deprive Taylor of his most reliable -- and dangerous -- target this year and make his being a successful passer in 2017 more difficult, so there's going to be fewer complaints when he's cut in the off season before he's due any bonuses or salary, especially when fans are dazzled by the prospect of that shiny new model QB to be plucked from the 2018 draft. If the Bills manage to finagle their way into a top five pick and take a QB, the team will probably sell more season tickets than they did in 2009 when they signed Terrell Owens as the "savior". Oh, and one more thing: Russ Brandon is still running the show, just as he has since at least 2006. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, it's likely a duck. You can "Billieve" it's an eagle if you want but after 17 years of putting up with the BS shelled out by OBD, I ain't buying the duck poop they're peddling. And non of that Matters. They are profitable without even selling a ticket and the TV money is what pays the players salary hence shared revenue Shall we keep trying though with that asnine argument i warned you that this argument would make you look stupid Edited August 16, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 6 or 7 maybe ... A week ago I was at 10 but we weakened our WR group a little and hurt our defensive backfield a lot, and that's after signing Hyde, who I think will be great. Next year 20% of the team will be rookies so the rebuild begins then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 The usual 6 for an 18th year in a row. I picked 8 wins for a Rex season with hopelessly unbridled enthusiasm with no colour of right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 still 9 - 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNMBillsFan Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Sal MaioranaVerified account @salmaiorana Aug 13More Seeing some 7-9 predictions for #Bills now dropped to 4-12, 5-11. Is Sammy really a 2-3 win player? I really don’t think so. That’s crazy I agree!!! He started 8 games last season, they were 2-6 with him, with one of wins against Cleveland where the Bills blew them out 33-13, Sammy had 1 catch for 10 yards in that game. They were 5-3 with out him. Edited August 16, 2017 by OldNMBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Well, I guess we see if TT is worth a cent. As a Rams season ticket holder, I loved the trade. As a Bills fan near LA, I hated it. I will give this, to the objective folks, Rams season tickets were not sold out when the trade was made. But, Goff is like Ryan lite, IMO. Sammy will light it up this year and the Rams will get at least 6 wins. The Bills 7 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 6-10ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) How much did the trades adjust the Vegas line They are typically very close so i am thinking 4 or 5 wins looks like 4-12 to me... not as talented as last year and totally new coaches, mostly new skill position players and new schemes to work through. Vegas normally gets it right because clear thinking, fear, greed and having your own money on the line sets those lines. Fanboys need not apply in Vegas, just leave us your $$. While painful to watch, 4 wins would help in the QB scramble. I just don't see how you get rid of Rex and get worse. IN the short term, you get worse by blowing it up; the players are already slacking off by what we're seeing in camp. they know right now they are stuck in a full rebuild -- they'll compete until they're 1-5 then be checking out and protecting their bodies first by November asking their agents to get them the h out of this mess. 2-14 is a real possibility. this is what usually happens when you blow it all up. Hopefully, they get Darnold, get out of the salary cap hell they're in and build around him ... the McBeane's 'll do it their way with their players. best enjoy the tailgates or watch another team (Raiders, Titans, Chargers) for a couple years as none of these Bills players will be around in a couple years..... Edited August 16, 2017 by jmcraig44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 9-7 I hope At worst 7-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cusefan66214 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Optimistic - 10 wins Pessimistic - 4 wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) i don't think anyone has said it, and it was in my head a month or two ago, so i'm going to throw my 8-8 hat into the ring. Edited August 16, 2017 by teef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I agree!!! He started 8 games last season, they were 2-6 with him, with one of wins against Cleveland where the Bills blew them out 33-13, Sammy had 1 catch for 10 yards in that game. They were 5-3 with out him. #1 We didn't even play Cleveland last year.#2 Sammy didn't even play 8 games last year. He was on IR for 8 then out at least one more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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