BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 He seems a simple man. if you have listened to him speak you might think the same. i expect he means no harm. i look forward to watching a couple patriots games early on, just to see how he does, same with TD Mike. Don't hate on anyone. But i really never got on board with Stephon when he was drafted. The Man can play football though. Go Ronald Darby !! Better them overpaying him than us... hope he works out for them like Byrd did for the Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Better them overpaying him than us... hope he works out for them like Byrd did for the Saints. I'm more hoping Brady's career ends soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Cleveland...Jacksonville...are more insignificant. We can change that...just win To a point. Buffalo will never be shown as much as the Cowboys, Giants or Pats because of market size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Better them overpaying him than us... hope he works out for them like Byrd did for the Saints. I agree about the money. Tough call, as mentioned above somewhere about quality CBs coming off the rookie contracts and trying to make the deal in the 3rd year. very honest point right there. They are cap killers when they excell at the position lets just pay White for his second contract now lol. I'm more hoping Brady's career ends soon. you know Gilmore plays defense ? just messin with ya Doc To a point. Buffalo will never be shown as much as the Cowboys, Giants or Pats because of market size. and why would we as fans care? ego much yoga head Stephon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Gilmore played when he felt like it and was soft: 2 things Bills fans don't and won't tolerate. Him getting "hurtled" on national TV was pretty hilarious: wonder if his people caught that act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 F#ck him. I'm so not going to miss his mediocre at best coverage and horrible "tackling". I wonder how much patience Bill Bellyache will have for his sissy style of football? Could be a bonus baby getting benched ala Larry Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I don't read it as a dig at all. Some fans need to get thicker skin. His tweet comes across a lot better than the replies here, people need to get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I don't think Gilmore is that Island type CB. I hate to say it but the Patriots defense might be a perfect match for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Jonah Javad from WGRZ had a great comeback for Gilmore: https://www.facebook.com/jonahjavadtv/videos/1578773798820936/ Yep, in case anyone has missed Gilmore play, now they can see his highlights... Just watched this. Am I wrong, or were like half of those clips of Ronald Darby? Some were Gilmore (#24) but it looked like some were of Darby (#27), unless I just missed Gilmore in those clips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Just watched this. Am I wrong, or were like half of those clips of Ronald Darby? Some were Gilmore (#24) but it looked like some were of Darby (#27), unless I just missed Gilmore in those clips? Gilmore switched from 27 to 24 a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 F#ck him. I'm so not going to miss his mediocre at best coverage and horrible "tackling". I wonder how much patience Bill Bellyache will have for his sissy style of football? Could be a bonus baby getting benched ala Larry Brown. Gilmore is a top 15 CB in the NFL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Gilmore is a top 15 CB in the NFL.... If you say so ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Gilmore is a top 15 CB in the NFL.... Here's like 12 off the top of my head. Malcolm Butler Chris Harris, Jr. Josh Norman Patrick Peterson Aqib Talib Richard Sherman Vontae Davis Marcus Peters Xavier Rhodes Casey Hayward Janoris Jenkins AJ Bouye Jalen Ramsey Brent Grimes Trumaine Johnson Desmond Trufant Joe Haden Darius Slay Edited July 20, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Gilmore switched from 27 to 24 a few years back. Oh wow I totally forgot about that. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice bowl 67 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I hope he gets burned by Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Here's like 12 off the top of my head. Malcolm Butler Chris Harris, Jr. Josh Norman Patrick Peterson Aqib Talib Richard Sherman Vontae Davis Marcus Peters Xavier Rhodes Casey Hayward Janoris Jenkins AJ Bouye Jalen Ramsey Brent Grimes Trumaine Johnson Desmond Trufant Joe Haden Darius Slay Dneveu >>>>> Bill Belichick. I feel bad for NE fans. They would have 10 SBs if you were running the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Dneveu >>>>> Bill Belichick. I feel bad for NE fans. They would have 10 SBs if you were running the show. He got him at a discount, and is transitioning away from Malcolm butler. He can play any style of defense, and doesn't have any glaring weaknesses. Having said that. At least several of the guys named above would be considered better players than Gilmore. Also not many of them were available without giving up compensation, so its hard to say what Belichick would have done. \ Bouye was, but he's largely limited to playing in zone so i don't think thats a good fit for Bill, who prefers a player who can play in any style. I don't think Gilmore is that Island type CB. I hate to say it but the Patriots defense might be a perfect match for him. I don't either, but he's pretty good. Bumps well, plays over and under style, can do zone, has pretty good hands. His tackling is pretty lousy/lazy, he doesn't seem to wrap up very often. He also seems to have poor mental games where he's routinely beat. In those games he'll tend to get flags, and look for flags when he gets beat. He also had games where he played like a shutdown corner. Better tackling, and a little more mental toughness and I think he could get there. I look at it like this - he has a better chance to become a great corner in NE than in BUF. Talib was good-not-great in TB, then went to NE and Denver and became a shutdown guy. Some guys come right out of college and dominate, other ones take a bit more time and coaching. Edited July 20, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 He got him at a discount, and is transitioning away from Malcolm butler. He can play any style of defense, and doesn't have any glaring weaknesses. Having said that. At least several of the guys named above would be considered better players than Gilmore. Also not many of them were available without giving up compensation, so its hard to say what Belichick would have done. \ Bouye was, but he's largely limited to playing in zone so i don't think thats a good fit for Bill, who prefers a player who can play in any style. I don't either, but he's pretty good. Bumps well, plays over and under style, can do zone, has pretty good hands. His tackling is pretty lousy/lazy, he doesn't seem to wrap up very often. He also seems to have poor mental games where he's routinely beat. In those games he'll tend to get flags, and look for flags when he gets beat. He also had games where he played like a shutdown corner. Better tackling, and a little more mental toughness and I think he could get there. I look at it like this - he has a better chance to become a great corner in NE than in BUF. Talib was good-not-great in TB, then went to NE and Denver and became a shutdown guy. Some guys come right out of college and dominate, other ones take a bit more time and coaching. If you don't think Gilmore can't easily be a top 10 cb, you're letting your Bills fandom cloud your judgement. im not going to nitpick the whole list but you're kidding yourself about guys like Vontae Davis and Brent Grimes being better than Gilmore. This isn't a NFL GM who would agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Just watched this. Am I wrong, or were like half of those clips of Ronald Darby? Some were Gilmore (#24) but it looked like some were of Darby (#27), unless I just missed Gilmore in those clips? And Darby is 28 so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) If you don't think Gilmore can't easily be a top 10 cb, you're letting your Bills fandom cloud your judgement. im not going to nitpick the whole list but you're kidding yourself about guys like Vontae Davis and Brent Grimes being better than Gilmore. This isn't a NFL GM who would agree with that. I think he can be a top-10 corner. I don't think he has been in the last 4 years. He's not even in the discussion on this year end review: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000769950/article/yearend-cornerback-rankings-richard-sherman-lands-at-no-1 Or this one: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717888-nfl1000-ranking-the-best-shutdown-cornerbacks Or this one: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000775730/article/xavier-rhodes-leads-top10-no-1-cornerbacks He's taking over for Logan Ryan, and I think he's better than Ryan. So he should have a good year. People threw at Ryan a lot. Edited July 20, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) I think he can be a top-10 corner. I don't think he has been in the last 4 years. He's not even in the discussion on this year end review: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000769950/article/yearend-cornerback-rankings-richard-sherman-lands-at-no-1 Or this one: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717888-nfl1000-ranking-the-best-shutdown-cornerbacks Or this one: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000775730/article/xavier-rhodes-leads-top10-no-1-cornerbacks He's taking over for Logan Ryan, and I think he's better than Ryan. So he should have a good year. People threw at Ryan a lot. He was awesome pre Rex and his defense that made e eryone bad. He shut down WRs like Antonio Brown this year. We lost a really good player to an elite franchise and some want to pretend like it's not a big loss because SG doesn't smile. And I favor Belichick's eye slightly over bleacher report. Edited July 20, 2017 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 He was awesome pre Rex and his defense that made e eryone bad. He shut down WRs like Antonio Brown this year. We lost a really good player to an elite franchise and some want to pretend like it's not a big loss because SG doesn't smile. And I favor Belichick's eye slightly over bleacher report. He's a good player. I have legit not said otherwise. In his time in Buffalo, he has not been an elite top-10 cornerback for a full season. You can't ignore the first half of 2016 in evaluating him. He has had stretches where he struggles with penalties and big plays. Belichick values him higher because he believes probably both that he can coach him up on his deficiencies, and he probably has no interest in making Malcolm Butler the highest paid corner in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 He's a good player. I have legit not said otherwise. In his time in Buffalo, he has not been an elite top-10 cornerback for a full season. You can't ignore the first half of 2016 in evaluating him. He has had stretches where he struggles with penalties and big plays. Belichick values him higher because he believes probably both that he can coach him up on his deficiencies, and he probably has no interest in making Malcolm Butler the highest paid corner in football. Gilmore has been tackling since 5th grade. Still can't do it. Too small and too weak. You can't coach up a skill that does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Gilmore has been tackling since 5th grade. Still can't do it. Too small and too weak. You can't coach up a skill that does not exist. Some of y'all are dramatic. There's a wide gap between being a big hitter and utterly incapable. Dude lands somewhere in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I'd hold off on telling Pats fans how much you think he's useless out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Gilmore has been tackling since 5th grade. Still can't do it. Too small and too weak. You can't coach up a skill that does not exist. I'm fairly positive he is both taller and heavier than your average CB. Maybe average weight, but definitely above average height. But please, let's just make things up to make ourselves feel better about our entirely incorrect narrative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 I've said forever that Gilmore is a run of the mill corner. Just go right at him and he gives up catches. WGR will have his back, they love him. Gilmore is a top 15 CB in the NFL.... Based on what? His one year in 2015 when he was good? Yeah he had one year in PFF where he was good. Otherwise he is an average corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I'm fairly positive he is both taller and heavier than your average CB. Maybe average weight, but definitely above average height. But please, let's just make things up to make ourselves feel better about our entirely incorrect narrative Yes he is 6' and avg weight. Overall physically though, he is a light weight hitter/tackler. Does not change the fact he can not tackle. Is that better? Edited July 21, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 I've said forever that Gilmore is a run of the mill corner. Just go right at him and he gives up catches. WGR will have his back, they love him. Based on what? His one year in 2015 when he was good? Yeah he had one year in PFF where he was good. Otherwise he is an average corner. 15th is an average number 1 corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 For real. He was crapped on by a ton of fans from the second he got drafted and didn't smile. According to Bills fans, he was overrated anyways. Let him get paid a ton of money by that crappy team and let's concentrate on running Sammy out of town. He wasn't that good, simple as that. Imo, every year we had high hopes for Gilly,and he just didn't perform at the level we expected him to perform at. He was just a very inconsistent CB and every year we expected him to make the jump to elite status and put together a full season of great CB play. Yet all we got was flashes of great play. Basically the reason fans were so hard on him ,imo, is because we thought we had an elite cb, wanted him to succeed so bad but he was just so frustrating to watch. 1 quarter he's dominant, next quarter he's subpar. 3 games he's dominant followed by 2 games of subpar play. Extremely frustrating player to watch. So glad Whaley didn't pay him!Sammy is in a similar boat with fans I guess, except majority of us agree he is an elite talent, is consistent when getting targeted, but his health is the big debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Here's like 12 off the top of my head. Malcolm Butler Chris Harris, Jr. Josh Norman Patrick Peterson Aqib Talib Richard Sherman Vontae Davis Marcus Peters Xavier Rhodes Casey Hayward Janoris Jenkins AJ Bouye Jalen Ramsey Brent Grimes Trumaine Johnson Desmond Trufant Joe Haden Darius Slay This list is frankly laughable. Some of these guys can't hold Gilmore's jock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Here's like 12 off the top of my head. Malcolm Butler Chris Harris, Jr. Josh Norman Patrick Peterson Aqib Talib Richard Sherman Vontae Davis Marcus Peters Xavier Rhodes Casey Hayward Janoris Jenkins AJ Bouye Jalen Ramsey Brent Grimes Trumaine Johnson Desmond Trufant Joe Haden Darius Slay Of these guys, those in blue are guys I'd definitely take above Gilmore (Ramsey simply because of the potential to be elite). Those in red are guys that would inspire some debate and warrant further film study to work out exactly where he'd place. Those struck out are in a class below. Best case scenario, he's my 10th CB at this point. Worst case, he's 15th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I'm fairly positive he is both taller and heavier than your average CB. Maybe average weight, but definitely above average height. But please, let's just make things up to make ourselves feel better about our entirely incorrect narrative So he's not small, he just tackles small. Edited July 21, 2017 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Of these guys, those in blue are guys I'd definitely take above Gilmore (Ramsey simply because of the potential to be elite). Those in red are guys that would inspire some debate and warrant further film study to work out exactly where he'd place. Those struck out are in a class below. Best case scenario, he's my 10th CB at this point. Worst case, he's 15th. Hmm. I don't have Ramsey above him yet.... not on performance but I do agree about Ramsey's potential ceiling. Kirby talked recently about Zeke being his #1 player in the 2016 draft.... Jalen Ramsey was mine and I had a gap between he and Bosa. Xavier Rhodes is also a no for me. People talk about inconsistency with Gilmore but Rhodes tape is littered with it. I'd have Josh Norman in blue though.... I was a bit of a sceptic (still think the salary at Washington is crazy) but I think he really proved himself an elite corner last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I've said forever that Gilmore is a run of the mill corner. Just go right at him and he gives up catches. WGR will have his back, they love him. Based on what? His one year in 2015 when he was good? Yeah he had one year in PFF where he was good. Otherwise he is an average corner. PFF is a garbage website. Remeber when they gave A-a-ron Rodgers a -.8 grade when he threw for 5 touchdowns? yea, garbage Edited July 21, 2017 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) PFF is a garbage website. And he actually only had one season on PFF where he was bad..... the year where he was bad.... you know.... the one where he played with one arm for half the season. Edited July 21, 2017 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 PFF is a garbage website. Remeber when they gave A-a-ron Rodgers a -.8 grade when he threw for 5 touchdowns? yea, garbage A A Ron! I won't say it's garbage but it's flawed. I think fans can write for it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Of these guys, those in blue are guys I'd definitely take above Gilmore (Ramsey simply because of the potential to be elite). Those in red are guys that would inspire some debate and warrant further film study to work out exactly where he'd place. Those struck out are in a class below. Best case scenario, he's my 10th CB at this point. Worst case, he's 15th. This is very generous. I view him in the late 20s, early 30s on a CB list. If he can be consistent, he'd be a stud, but 4/5 years he has been very average and inconsistent. Off the top of my head , I'd add- Jimmy Smith Dominique Rogers Cromartie Pacman Jones Jason Verett Sam Shields Countless others that you can debate.. For example, Ronald Darby. He could excel in this system. He already outplayed Gilmore in year 1. He was the 2nd best CB at tackling last year according to PFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Of these guys, those in blue are guys I'd definitely take above Gilmore (Ramsey simply because of the potential to be elite). Those in red are guys that would inspire some debate and warrant further film study to work out exactly where he'd place. Those struck out are in a class below. Best case scenario, he's my 10th CB at this point. Worst case, he's 15th. Why all the Brent Grimes hate? He was actually really good last year! I'm just saying - FWIW literally no NFL pundit's have said Gilmore is a top 10 or top 15 corner. I said he could be if he can tackle better, and avoid those bad games. He's yet to make that jump. Edited July 21, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Why all the Brent Grimes hate? He was actually really good last year! I'm just saying - FWIW literally no NFL pundit's have said Gilmore is a top 10 or top 15 corner. I said he could be if he can tackle better, and avoid those bad games. He's yet to make that jump. I drop Brent Grimes no less than 10 spots because I hate his wife. He is like mid 40's on my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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