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He seems a simple man. if you have listened to him speak you might think the same. i expect he means no harm.

 

i look forward to watching a couple patriots games early on, just to see how he does, same with TD Mike.

Don't hate on anyone. But i really never got on board with Stephon when he was drafted. The Man can play football though.

 

Go Ronald Darby !!

Better them overpaying him than us... hope he works out for them like Byrd did for the Saints.
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Better them overpaying him than us... hope he works out for them like Byrd did for the Saints.

I agree about the money. Tough call, as mentioned above somewhere about quality CBs coming off the rookie contracts and trying to make the deal in the 3rd year. very honest point right there. They are cap killers when they excell at the position

lets just pay White for his second contract now lol.

 

I'm more hoping Brady's career ends soon.

you know Gilmore plays defense ?

 

:doh:

 

 

 

just messin with ya Doc

To a point. Buffalo will never be shown as much as the Cowboys, Giants or Pats because of market size.

and why would we as fans care?

 

ego much yoga head Stephon?

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Gilmore played when he felt like it and was soft: 2 things Bills fans don't and won't tolerate.

 

Him getting "hurtled" on national TV was pretty hilarious: wonder if his people caught that act.

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Jonah Javad from WGRZ had a great comeback for Gilmore: https://www.facebook.com/jonahjavadtv/videos/1578773798820936/

 

Yep, in case anyone has missed Gilmore play, now they can see his highlights... :w00t::lol:

Just watched this. Am I wrong, or were like half of those clips of Ronald Darby? Some were Gilmore (#24) but it looked like some were of Darby (#27), unless I just missed Gilmore in those clips?

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Just watched this. Am I wrong, or were like half of those clips of Ronald Darby? Some were Gilmore (#24) but it looked like some were of Darby (#27), unless I just missed Gilmore in those clips?

Gilmore switched from 27 to 24 a few years back.

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F#ck him. I'm so not going to miss his mediocre at best coverage and horrible "tackling".

 

I wonder how much patience Bill Bellyache will have for his sissy style of football?

 

Could be a bonus baby getting benched ala Larry Brown.

 

Gilmore is a top 15 CB in the NFL....

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Gilmore is a top 15 CB in the NFL....

 

Here's like 12 off the top of my head.
Malcolm Butler
Chris Harris, Jr.
Josh Norman
Patrick Peterson
Aqib Talib
Richard Sherman
Vontae Davis
Marcus Peters
Xavier Rhodes
Casey Hayward
Janoris Jenkins
AJ Bouye
Jalen Ramsey
Brent Grimes

Trumaine Johnson

Desmond Trufant

Joe Haden

Darius Slay

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Here's like 12 off the top of my head.

 

 

Malcolm Butler

Chris Harris, Jr.

Josh Norman

Patrick Peterson

Aqib Talib

Richard Sherman

Vontae Davis

Marcus Peters

Xavier Rhodes

Casey Hayward

Janoris Jenkins

AJ Bouye

Jalen Ramsey

Brent Grimes

Trumaine Johnson

Desmond Trufant

Joe Haden

Darius Slay

Dneveu >>>>> Bill Belichick. I feel bad for NE fans. They would have 10 SBs if you were running the show.

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Dneveu >>>>> Bill Belichick. I feel bad for NE fans. They would have 10 SBs if you were running the show.

 

He got him at a discount, and is transitioning away from Malcolm butler. He can play any style of defense, and doesn't have any glaring weaknesses. Having said that. At least several of the guys named above would be considered better players than Gilmore.

Also not many of them were available without giving up compensation, so its hard to say what Belichick would have done. \

 

Bouye was, but he's largely limited to playing in zone so i don't think thats a good fit for Bill, who prefers a player who can play in any style.

I don't think Gilmore is that Island type CB. I hate to say it but the Patriots defense might be a perfect match for him.

 

I don't either, but he's pretty good. Bumps well, plays over and under style, can do zone, has pretty good hands. His tackling is pretty lousy/lazy, he doesn't seem to wrap up very often. He also seems to have poor mental games where he's routinely beat. In those games he'll tend to get flags, and look for flags when he gets beat. He also had games where he played like a shutdown corner. Better tackling, and a little more mental toughness and I think he could get there.

 

I look at it like this - he has a better chance to become a great corner in NE than in BUF. Talib was good-not-great in TB, then went to NE and Denver and became a shutdown guy.

 

Some guys come right out of college and dominate, other ones take a bit more time and coaching.

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He got him at a discount, and is transitioning away from Malcolm butler. He can play any style of defense, and doesn't have any glaring weaknesses. Having said that. At least several of the guys named above would be considered better players than Gilmore.

Also not many of them were available without giving up compensation, so its hard to say what Belichick would have done. \

 

Bouye was, but he's largely limited to playing in zone so i don't think thats a good fit for Bill, who prefers a player who can play in any style.

 

 

I don't either, but he's pretty good. Bumps well, plays over and under style, can do zone, has pretty good hands. His tackling is pretty lousy/lazy, he doesn't seem to wrap up very often. He also seems to have poor mental games where he's routinely beat. In those games he'll tend to get flags, and look for flags when he gets beat. He also had games where he played like a shutdown corner. Better tackling, and a little more mental toughness and I think he could get there.

 

I look at it like this - he has a better chance to become a great corner in NE than in BUF. Talib was good-not-great in TB, then went to NE and Denver and became a shutdown guy.

 

Some guys come right out of college and dominate, other ones take a bit more time and coaching.

If you don't think Gilmore can't easily be a top 10 cb, you're letting your Bills fandom cloud your judgement. im not going to nitpick the whole list but you're kidding yourself about guys like Vontae Davis and Brent Grimes being better than Gilmore. This isn't a NFL GM who would agree with that.

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Just watched this. Am I wrong, or were like half of those clips of Ronald Darby? Some were Gilmore (#24) but it looked like some were of Darby (#27), unless I just missed Gilmore in those clips?

And Darby is 28 so...

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If you don't think Gilmore can't easily be a top 10 cb, you're letting your Bills fandom cloud your judgement. im not going to nitpick the whole list but you're kidding yourself about guys like Vontae Davis and Brent Grimes being better than Gilmore. This isn't a NFL GM who would agree with that.

 

I think he can be a top-10 corner. I don't think he has been in the last 4 years. He's not even in the discussion on this year end review: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000769950/article/yearend-cornerback-rankings-richard-sherman-lands-at-no-1

 

Or this one: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717888-nfl1000-ranking-the-best-shutdown-cornerbacks

 

Or this one: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000775730/article/xavier-rhodes-leads-top10-no-1-cornerbacks

 

He's taking over for Logan Ryan, and I think he's better than Ryan. So he should have a good year. People threw at Ryan a lot.

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I think he can be a top-10 corner. I don't think he has been in the last 4 years. He's not even in the discussion on this year end review: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000769950/article/yearend-cornerback-rankings-richard-sherman-lands-at-no-1

 

Or this one: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717888-nfl1000-ranking-the-best-shutdown-cornerbacks

 

Or this one: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000775730/article/xavier-rhodes-leads-top10-no-1-cornerbacks

 

He's taking over for Logan Ryan, and I think he's better than Ryan. So he should have a good year. People threw at Ryan a lot.

He was awesome pre Rex and his defense that made e eryone bad. He shut down WRs like Antonio Brown this year.

 

We lost a really good player to an elite franchise and some want to pretend like it's not a big loss because SG doesn't smile.

 

And I favor Belichick's eye slightly over bleacher report.

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He was awesome pre Rex and his defense that made e eryone bad. He shut down WRs like Antonio Brown this year.

 

We lost a really good player to an elite franchise and some want to pretend like it's not a big loss because SG doesn't smile.

 

And I favor Belichick's eye slightly over bleacher report.

 

He's a good player. I have legit not said otherwise. In his time in Buffalo, he has not been an elite top-10 cornerback for a full season. You can't ignore the first half of 2016 in evaluating him. He has had stretches where he struggles with penalties and big plays.

 

Belichick values him higher because he believes probably both that he can coach him up on his deficiencies, and he probably has no interest in making Malcolm Butler the highest paid corner in football.

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He's a good player. I have legit not said otherwise. In his time in Buffalo, he has not been an elite top-10 cornerback for a full season. You can't ignore the first half of 2016 in evaluating him. He has had stretches where he struggles with penalties and big plays.

 

Belichick values him higher because he believes probably both that he can coach him up on his deficiencies, and he probably has no interest in making Malcolm Butler the highest paid corner in football.

Gilmore has been tackling since 5th grade. Still can't do it. Too small and too weak.

You can't coach up a skill that does not exist.

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Gilmore has been tackling since 5th grade. Still can't do it. Too small and too weak.

You can't coach up a skill that does not exist.

Some of y'all are dramatic. There's a wide gap between being a big hitter and utterly incapable. Dude lands somewhere in the middle.

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Gilmore has been tackling since 5th grade. Still can't do it. Too small and too weak.

You can't coach up a skill that does not exist.

 

I'm fairly positive he is both taller and heavier than your average CB. Maybe average weight, but definitely above average height.

 

But please, let's just make things up to make ourselves feel better about our entirely incorrect narrative

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I've said forever that Gilmore is a run of the mill corner.

 

Just go right at him and he gives up catches.

 

WGR will have his back, they love him.

 

Gilmore is a top 15 CB in the NFL....

Based on what?

 

His one year in 2015 when he was good?

 

Yeah he had one year in PFF where he was good.

 

Otherwise he is an average corner.

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I'm fairly positive he is both taller and heavier than your average CB. Maybe average weight, but definitely above average height.

 

But please, let's just make things up to make ourselves feel better about our entirely incorrect narrative

Yes he is 6' and avg weight. Overall physically though, he is a light weight hitter/tackler.

 

Does not change the fact he can not tackle. Is that better?

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I've said forever that Gilmore is a run of the mill corner.

 

Just go right at him and he gives up catches.

 

WGR will have his back, they love him.

 

Based on what?

 

His one year in 2015 when he was good?

 

Yeah he had one year in PFF where he was good.

 

Otherwise he is an average corner.

15th is an average number 1 corner

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For real. He was crapped on by a ton of fans from the second he got drafted and didn't smile.

 

According to Bills fans, he was overrated anyways. Let him get paid a ton of money by that crappy team and let's concentrate on running Sammy out of town.

He wasn't that good, simple as that. Imo, every year we had high hopes for Gilly,and he just didn't perform at the level we expected him to perform at.

 

He was just a very inconsistent CB and every year we expected him to make the jump to elite status and put together a full season of great CB play. Yet all we got was flashes of great play.

 

Basically the reason fans were so hard on him ,imo, is because we thought we had an elite cb, wanted him to succeed so bad but he was just so frustrating to watch. 1 quarter he's dominant, next quarter he's subpar. 3 games he's dominant followed by 2 games of subpar play.

 

Extremely frustrating player to watch. So glad Whaley didn't pay him!Sammy is in a similar boat with fans I guess, except majority of us agree he is an elite talent, is consistent when getting targeted, but his health is the big debate.

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Here's like 12 off the top of my head.

 

 

Malcolm Butler

Chris Harris, Jr.

Josh Norman

Patrick Peterson

Aqib Talib

Richard Sherman

Vontae Davis

Marcus Peters

Xavier Rhodes

Casey Hayward

Janoris Jenkins

AJ Bouye

Jalen Ramsey

Brent Grimes

Trumaine Johnson

Desmond Trufant

Joe Haden

Darius Slay

This list is frankly laughable. Some of these guys can't hold Gilmore's jock.

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Here's like 12 off the top of my head.

Malcolm Butler
Chris Harris, Jr.
Josh Norman
Patrick Peterson
Aqib Talib
Richard Sherman
Vontae Davis
Marcus Peters
Xavier Rhodes
Casey Hayward
Janoris Jenkins
AJ Bouye
Jalen Ramsey
Brent Grimes

Trumaine Johnson

Desmond Trufant

Joe Haden

Darius Slay

 

Of these guys, those in blue are guys I'd definitely take above Gilmore (Ramsey simply because of the potential to be elite). Those in red are guys that would inspire some debate and warrant further film study to work out exactly where he'd place. Those struck out are in a class below.

 

Best case scenario, he's my 10th CB at this point. Worst case, he's 15th.

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I'm fairly positive he is both taller and heavier than your average CB. Maybe average weight, but definitely above average height.

But please, let's just make things up to make ourselves feel better about our entirely incorrect narrative

So he's not small, he just tackles small.

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Of these guys, those in blue are guys I'd definitely take above Gilmore (Ramsey simply because of the potential to be elite). Those in red are guys that would inspire some debate and warrant further film study to work out exactly where he'd place. Those struck out are in a class below.

 

Best case scenario, he's my 10th CB at this point. Worst case, he's 15th.

 

Hmm. I don't have Ramsey above him yet.... not on performance but I do agree about Ramsey's potential ceiling. Kirby talked recently about Zeke being his #1 player in the 2016 draft.... Jalen Ramsey was mine and I had a gap between he and Bosa. Xavier Rhodes is also a no for me. People talk about inconsistency with Gilmore but Rhodes tape is littered with it. I'd have Josh Norman in blue though.... I was a bit of a sceptic (still think the salary at Washington is crazy) but I think he really proved himself an elite corner last year.

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I've said forever that Gilmore is a run of the mill corner.

 

Just go right at him and he gives up catches.

 

WGR will have his back, they love him.

 

Based on what?

 

His one year in 2015 when he was good?

 

Yeah he had one year in PFF where he was good.

 

Otherwise he is an average corner.

PFF is a garbage website.

 

Remeber when they gave A-a-ron Rodgers a -.8 grade when he threw for 5 touchdowns? yea, garbage

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PFF is a garbage website.

 

And he actually only had one season on PFF where he was bad..... the year where he was bad.... you know.... the one where he played with one arm for half the season.

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Of these guys, those in blue are guys I'd definitely take above Gilmore (Ramsey simply because of the potential to be elite). Those in red are guys that would inspire some debate and warrant further film study to work out exactly where he'd place. Those struck out are in a class below.

 

Best case scenario, he's my 10th CB at this point. Worst case, he's 15th.

This is very generous.

I view him in the late 20s, early 30s on a CB list. If he can be consistent, he'd be a stud, but 4/5 years he has been very average and inconsistent.

 

Off the top of my head , I'd add-

Jimmy Smith

Dominique Rogers Cromartie

Pacman Jones

Jason Verett

Sam Shields

Countless others that you can debate..

For example, Ronald Darby. He could excel in this system. He already outplayed Gilmore in year 1. He was the 2nd best CB at tackling last year according to PFF.

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Of these guys, those in blue are guys I'd definitely take above Gilmore (Ramsey simply because of the potential to be elite). Those in red are guys that would inspire some debate and warrant further film study to work out exactly where he'd place. Those struck out are in a class below.

 

Best case scenario, he's my 10th CB at this point. Worst case, he's 15th.

 

Why all the Brent Grimes hate? He was actually really good last year!

 

I'm just saying - FWIW literally no NFL pundit's have said Gilmore is a top 10 or top 15 corner. I said he could be if he can tackle better, and avoid those bad games. He's yet to make that jump.

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Why all the Brent Grimes hate? He was actually really good last year!

 

I'm just saying - FWIW literally no NFL pundit's have said Gilmore is a top 10 or top 15 corner. I said he could be if he can tackle better, and avoid those bad games. He's yet to make that jump.

I drop Brent Grimes no less than 10 spots because I hate his wife. He is like mid 40's on my list.

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