YoloinOhio Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Drew Boylhart @DrewBoylhart 3h3 hours ago More Obvious after #Bills 4 day "volunteer" work outs saw what they had in Cardell Jones & decided to sign QB Yates & look at #NFLDRAFT QB's.#NFL Apparently this guy thinks the Bills knew Cardale was a bust after 4 days of stretching. and even knew his name! Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 eloquently put. Yates is who I would want at 3 behind a rookie who may or may not be good. Say Fitz the starter, Manuel as a rookie backup, Yates as 3rd Where does that leave Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Where does that leave Jones?1. Not behind Manuel picking up bad tendencies.2. Somewhere between PS and second string all based on his abilities and the coaching staffs evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1. Not behind Manuel picking up bad tendencies. 2. Somewhere between PS and second string all based on his abilities and the coaching staffs evaluation. He's not going to survive waivers to make to PS. Obvious conclusions are:A) New staff has no faith in Jones and is ready to have him fight for a roster spot or be cut. Seems unlikely after one season as a "project" pick but maybe. More likely, B) they aren't going to bring in another meaningful QB via the draft and will give Jones another season to prove he has the potential to take the job. I can't say that I like this development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Where does that leave Jones? i was going back in time. but i'd take fitz over jones. i don't think he's the answer and no better than manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 T.J. Yates: "I think it is gonna be a great fit" (9:04)New Bills QB T.J. Yates joined the John Murphy Show on Monday. He shared stories about his time in Houston, playing against Tyrod Taylor and working with OC Rick Dennison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 So we go from the best backup in the league to TJ Yates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Far better draft somebody with a chance to be someone rather that pick up a career journeyman as their final Qb. Honestly, just the fact that they brought him in concerns me. Are they seriously considering not drafting a QB in the first two days of the draft? maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 It is beyond me that anyone can honestly say EJ is better than TJ. EJ is an automatic loss if he starts. Yates won't win you the game but he's far less likely to lose it for you ala EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Will he be a better backup than EJ? I've never seen any EJ-type clownshow gifs of him, so I would say so. If you have to take an ex-Texan, better him than Matt Scrub, Lurch Osweiler, or Hoyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Where does that leave Jones? I am going to go on a limb and say that this does not change the Bills draft strategy. If they land the QB they like at the pick position they want, they will take him. Then Jones and Yates can fight out for the 2nd/3rd spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Better option is always the unknown... You don't grab a guy you know won't take you anywhere. If Tyrod gets hurt a rookie should be the next man up. That's not the approach the vast majority of teams take. You assess the starting qb's injury and go with the veteran backup in every case unless it's a season ending injury and you have no playoff shot. Some vets can step in and win playoff games, usually rookies need more experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I've never seen any EJ-type clownshow gifs of him, so I would say so. If you have to take an ex-Texan, better him than Matt Scrub, Lurch Osweiler, or Hoyer. TJ does have a negative TD to Int ratio (6:8). Not much of a sample size, but... yeesh! It is beyond me that anyone can honestly say EJ is better than TJ. EJ is an automatic loss if he starts. Yates won't win you the game but he's far less likely to lose it for you ala EJ. Really? Look at their numbers: EJ: 17 starts (29 games); 19 TDs, 15 Ints; 58.3 completion %; 77.5 career rating TJ: 7 starts (18 games); 6 TDs, 8 Ints; 58.1 completion %; 72.8 career rating And, please don't tell some malarkey about the "eyeball test," or some such nonsense, unless you can honestly tell me you're an avid Houston fan and never miss a game with TJ under center. I am going to go on a limb and say that this does not change the Bills draft strategy. If they land the QB they like at the pick position they want, they will take him. Then Jones and Yates can fight out for the 2nd/3rd spot. I think I would give Cardale the edge on that competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I am going to go on a limb and say that this does not change the Bills draft strategy. If they land the QB they like at the pick position they want, they will take him. Then Jones and Yates can fight out for the 2nd/3rd spot. Agree. Nothing the Bills have done this offseason precludes any move they could make in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 So we go from the best backup in the league to TJ Yates? Relax, man. We still have the best backup in the league. Yates was just brought in to back him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Where does that leave Jones? With little to no future in the NFL, same as yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Now we have 2 Taylors at QB. A career 72 qbr doesn't exactly get me excited, but he did help his team win a playoff game so he's already better than EJ/CJ....I'd still like us to draft a mid round guy....Peterman, Webb, Kelly?... Edited April 11, 2017 by LABILLBACKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 An indictment of Cardale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Don't let him leave the building, Russ! you have your wish, Championship !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Really? Look at their numbers: EJ: 17 starts (29 games); 19 TDs, 15 Ints; 58.3 completion %; 77.5 career rating TJ: 7 starts (18 games); 6 TDs, 8 Ints; 58.1 completion %; 72.8 career rating And, please don't tell some malarkey about the "eyeball test," or some such nonsense, unless you can honestly tell me you're an avid Houston fan and never miss a game with TJ under center. Really? Take a day and watch EJ's last 3 starts. Shove the stats. McCoach knows what he has in TJ and feels he won't be the complete fail EJ is should he be called on to play.EJ is a great guy and team player, but Just a bad QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 It is beyond me that anyone can honestly say EJ is better than TJ. EJ is an automatic loss if he starts. Yates won't win you the game but he's far less likely to lose it for you ala EJ. EJ's record in Buffalo was 6-10. More losses than wins, but not a guaranteed loss. Nice try though. Really? Take a day and watch EJ's last 3 starts. Shove the stats. McCoach knows what he has in TJ and feels he won't be the complete fail EJ is should he be called on to play.EJ is a great guy and team player, but Just a bad QB. Shove the stats? Stats are what people use to support TT and they also blame the defense for being bad. Vic Carucci's Bills Wake-Up Call: Trading down best option [1:59 AM] Buffalo News reports: 'For those who wish to believe the Bills' woeful passing game mainly resulted from an absence of great targets, there's an equally strong (if not stronger) argument that quarterback Tyrod Taylor didn't consistently get the most out of the ones at his disposal -- especially tight end Charles Clay. Picking Williams or Howard would, in many ways, resemble the thinking behind moving up to land Sammy Watkins in 2014 for the sake of helping to prop up former Bills QB EJ Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Get him the !@#$ out of here! I don't want any QBs that everyone knows can't do it. Any QB that can do it would be a starting QB. None available at this stage of the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 EJ's record in Buffalo was 6-10. More losses than wins, but not a guaranteed loss. Nice try though. Shove the stats? Stats are what people use to support TT and they also blame the defense for being bad. Vic Carucci's Bills Wake-Up Call: Trading down best option [1:59 AM] Buffalo News reports: 'For those who wish to believe the Bills' woeful passing game mainly resulted from an absence of great targets, there's an equally strong (if not stronger) argument that quarterback Tyrod Taylor didn't consistently get the most out of the ones at his disposal -- especially tight end Charles Clay. Picking Williams or Howard would, in many ways, resemble the thinking behind moving up to land Sammy Watkins in 2014 for the sake of helping to prop up former Bills QB EJ Manuel. Spend a happy day watching EJ's last three starts. It that's your guy, great. I'm moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikef272002 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Get him the !@#$ out of here! I don't want any QBs that everyone knows can't do it. Well we got Tyrod and we all know he can't do it. We also have Cordell on our roster and we all know he's a career 2nd/3rd string QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Well we got Tyrod and we all know he can't do it. We also have Cordell on our roster and we all know he's a career 2nd/3rd string QB. Yeah, we "know." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) I'm not sure why there's a EJ vs. TJ debate here. It was never an either/or choice at OBD. Whaley decided to pass on EJ who was, after all, a FA and not a Bill anymore. That decision left him needing a veteran backup. TJ (despite his mediocre stats) was the obvious choice given his knowledge of Rico's offense. TJ will help Tyrod - and any other QB on the roster - understand the terminology and concepts. There are some other backup QBs out there who could have brought equally mediocre arms. TJ stands out because of the Dennison connection. It's common for HCs, DCs and OCs to want to bring in some guys who understand their scheme to help seed that knowledge with the other players. Edited April 11, 2017 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Really? Take a day and watch EJ's last 3 starts. Shove the stats. McCoach knows what he has in TJ and feels he won't be the complete fail EJ is should he be called on to play.EJ is a great guy and team player, but Just a bad QB. Let's be clear about what I said. I was responding to your assertion that, "It is beyond me that anyone can honestly say EJ is better than TJ. EJ is an automatic loss if he starts." Did I say EJ was a good QB? NO. Do I think TJ is a good QB? NO. Do I think one is better than the other? I don't really know the answer to that question. But, I do know this: TJ Yeats' stats suck donkey balls. And, if somebody drew the conclusion that EJ > TJ, I can certainly understand why, and I don't understand how that would be "beyond you." His numbers are better, period. If somebody thinks that TJ > EJ, I'd love to know the rationale, and "EJ is just a bad QB" doesn't cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 ... and I don't understand how that would be "beyond you." His numbers are better, period. If somebody thinks that TJ > EJ, I'd love to know the rationale, and "EJ is just a bad QB" doesn't cut it Gee, it cut it for the Bills. They had all those numbers and it's EJ out - TJ in. I'll go with their rationale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 YES! I liked that kid. When did he become a FA? Relax, man. We still have the best backup in the league. Yates was just brought in to back him up. !!!!! +++++ LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 YES! I liked that kid. When did he become a FA? !!!!! +++++ LMAO When no other NFL team wanted him. But keep getting those checks TJ! Good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Really? Take a day and watch EJ's last 3 starts. Shove the stats. McCoach knows what he has in TJ and feels he won't be the complete fail EJ is should he be called on to play.EJ is a great guy and team player, but Just a bad QB. Exactly. "Stats are for losers." - Bill Belichick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Spend a happy day watching EJ's last three starts. It that's your guy, great. I'm moving on. Never said he was "my guy" . I was stating facts not opinion. "6-10" versus "never win a game aka guaranteed loss". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Any QB that can do it would be a starting QB. None available at this stage of the offseason. Rookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 The itchy feeling I have is.... Bills drafting a QB in 2017, Yates stays, Jones gets cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Hopefully Cardale (or drafted rookie) shows enough in camp/pre-season to be our #2, because TJ kinda sucks (and yes, I would prefer EJ over TJ, and that's not me saying I think EJ is any good Edit: didn't realize TJ had experience with our coaches, nevermind about the redacted) Edited April 11, 2017 by Dorkington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Lotta teams been swinging for many years. Clowns and Jets immediately come to mind. Edited April 11, 2017 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 yates has won more playoff games then the Bills have in the last 20 years My chuckle for the day !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 My chuckle for the day !!!! ....ABC's legendary Jim McKay (RIP) called it, "the agony of defeat(s)"................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Exactly. "Stats are for losers." - Bill Belichick analytics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Well we got Tyrod and we all know he can't do it. We also have Cordell on our roster and we all know he's a career 2nd/3rd string QB. Who exactly is "we all" You got a gerble in your pocket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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