DC Tom Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 prior to the Cowboys game it was 21 out of 795 How many times was he supposed to drop back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Possibly. Or else this was leaked to remind Mario that his tryout begins Sunday. If the Bills are indeed planning to cut Mario Williams, they better sit his a** on Sunday. You can't cut a player who is injured before the last game of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 This is a strange thread. Are people really that surprised about cutting MW? Cap space, complaining, and scheme fit moving forward kind of dictated this outcome. If you want to resign Glenn, Gilmore, and Incognito, this is the type of move you make. Mario will find a home playing in a 4-3 somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 The benefit of 15-20 sacks doesn't come close to outweighing the drawback of keeping a player who had no problem quitting on his teammates, coaches, and fans. The "why" he quit is simply not relevant. It will be interesting to see how other teams approach him. GO BILLS!!! I know exactly how they will approach him, mostly likely with open arms as they trip over themselves laughing at how the bills would just let him go because Rex Ryan didn't know how to use him properly. But hey, the Bills don't want to look like an inept organisation letting the great Rex Ryan go after a catastrophic failure of a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 @JeffRussoWKBW Associated Press via .@john_wawrow reporting #Bills plan to cut DE Mario Williams this off-season #Buffalo At his price, Mario should have been willing to do whatever the Bills asked of him. His attitude all season long has been bush league. Pretty much. Entitled SOB. But at the same time, it's a point that the coaching staff has to be willing and able to get him on board. This is a strange thread. Are people really that surprised about cutting MW? Cap space, complaining, and scheme fit moving forward kind of dictated this outcome. If you want to resign Glenn, Gilmore, and Incognito, this is the type of move you make. Mario will find a home playing in a 4-3 somewhere else. Did you actually read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I know exactly how they will approach him, mostly likely with open arms as they trip over themselves laughing at how the bills would just let him go because Rex Ryan didn't know how to use him properly. But hey, the Bills don't want to look like an inept organisation letting the great Rex Ryan go after a catastrophic failure of a season. We'll see. Film doesn't lie and any team will be acquiring a head case with a record of quitting. Not sure how anyone can suggest it's a question of the Bills not wanting to look inept. I know it's hard to wrap your head around, but a player's disgruntlement with his head coach is simply no justification for quitting on his teammates, coaches, and fans in such obvious fashion. As I said previously, he quit when there were plays to be made, before the season and playoffs were lost and there is no telling how those plays might have impacted a play, a series, or a game that might have made a difference. And it's really a tough sell when the guy next to him is busting his ass trying to achieve a result Mario no longer cares to share in. I can't remember anything quite like it. We can certainly do better than Rex at HC. I guarantee we can't do worse than a player that simply doesn't give a crap about his teammates. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Except that the anonymous bad-mouther said that Kyle Williams was the only one who could have said anything to Mario and didn't because he thought there was no use I would expect the anonymous person is a DLman who is watching the DLman's film cutup in DL meetings, knows exactly what Mario's assignment is supposed to be, and is in prime position to assess whether or not he's going full throttle. We have @ DE: Lavar Edwards - too young/new Hughes - he has the attitude, but i doubt he'd say anything Lawson - wouldn't say anything DT: Barnes - too young. Bryant - my other thought. Dareus - no way Worthy - too new LB's Bradham - I could see it, as he has to be frustrated at what is going on. Brown - no. Enemkpali - Rex's boy might be homering. Reddick - who? Tarpley - no Valles - who? DBs Only ones I think?? Meeks Rambo D.Williams Injured: Wynn - I do not know if he is connected enough with Buffalo, or would have room to say anything right now with a finger on the pulse of the team. Carrington - my bet. Been in Buffalo a while, knows enough people here, has shown a bit of an attitude before. KWilliams - hell no Its definitely Garrison Sanborn. If the Bills are indeed planning to cut Mario Williams, they better sit his a** on Sunday. You can't cut a player who is injured before the last game of the season. i've been wondering this, too. We'll see. Film doesn't lie and any team will be acquiring a head case with a record of quitting. Not sure how anyone can suggest it's a question of the Bills not wanting to look inept. I know it's hard to wrap your head around, but a player's disgruntlement with his head coach is simply no justification for quitting on his teammates, coaches, and fans in such obvious fashion. As I said previously, he quit when there were plays to be made, before the season and playoffs were lost and there is no telling how those plays might have impacted a play, a series, or a game that might have made a difference. And it's really a tough sell when the guy next to him is busting his ass trying to achieve a result Mario no longer cares to share in. I can't remember anything quite like it. We can certainly do better than Rex at HC. I guarantee we can't do worse than a player that simply doesn't give a crap about his teammates. GO BILLS!!! film doesn't lie when you know the play call too many of the plays i watched mario it was clear his responsibility was to simply hold the edge. after we kept getting burned by quick offenses and dumps all over the field by the qb, rex seemly changed his defense to have mario or hughes anchor their side when it was the strong side. when it was the weak side he seemed to have them play the edge it was very strange and i have not seen such play design - if i understood it correctly - since high school. I know exactly how they will approach him, mostly likely with open arms as they trip over themselves laughing at how the bills would just let him go because Rex Ryan didn't know how to use him properly. But hey, the Bills don't want to look like an inept organisation letting the great Rex Ryan go after a catastrophic failure of a season. they will, and there are a great number of teams ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Except that the anonymous bad-mouther said that Kyle Williams was the only one who could have said anything to Mario and didn't because he thought there was no use I would expect the anonymous person is a DLman who is watching the DLman's film cutup in DL meetings, knows exactly what Mario's assignment is supposed to be, and is in prime position to assess whether or not he's going full throttle. I just read the quote in here, didn't see that. Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 You can do better than that, professor.its not any more complicated than that. Different coaches, different systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 film doesn't lie when you know the play call Film doesn't lie when you do know the play call, too. There was a thread after the Washington game that linked to a Football Outsiders article with gifs to support their assertion that Mario was dogging it. The first gif was of a running play that he could not have played any better; set his corner and turned the play into the pursuit that was slow in getting there. Great play by Mario and pretty easy to ascertain what his keys were pre-snap. The other gifs were damning. As were the All-22 views of every game the last several weeks. He simply chose to disengage. On third and long with an empty backfield, one doesn't need to know the play call to determine what his keys were and that he needed to get up field and apply pressure. I wasn't surprised by the comments revealed by his teammates alluding to taking "two steps and then stopping." We were saying the exact same thing weeks ago. I'm pretty sure his teammates knew the exact play calls, too. The defense of this quitter is amazing around here. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Not sure if I've seen Mario beat a 1 on 1 block all year. Who replaces him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share Posted January 1, 2016 Not sure if I've seen Mario beat a 1 on 1 block all year. Who replaces him? Could be this guy to get just as much production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Film doesn't lie when you do know the play call, too. There was a thread after the Washington game that linked to a Football Outsiders article with gifs to support their assertion that Mario was dogging it. The first gif was of a running play that he could not have played any better; set his corner and turned the play into the pursuit that was slow in getting there. Great play by Mario and pretty easy to ascertain what his keys were pre-snap. The other gifs were damning. As were the All-22 views of every game the last several weeks. He simply chose to disengage. On third and long with an empty backfield, one doesn't need to know the play call to determine what his keys were and that he needed to get up field and apply pressure. I wasn't surprised by the comments revealed by his teammates alluding to taking "two steps and then stopping." We were saying the exact same thing weeks ago. I'm pretty sure his teammates knew the exact play calls, too. The defense of this quitter is amazing around here. GO BILLS!!! Or they set him up knowing it would be easier to cut him at seasons end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Or they set him up knowing it would be easier to cut him at seasons end. They set him up? So he didn't quit on his own volition? I gotta give you credit for originality. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) film doesn't lie when you know the play call too many of the plays i watched mario it was clear his responsibility was to simply hold the edge. after we kept getting burned by quick offenses and dumps all over the field by the qb, rex seemly changed his defense to have mario or hughes anchor their side when it was the strong side. when it was the weak side he seemed to have them play the edge it was very strange and i have not seen such play design - if i understood it correctly - since high school. they will, and there are a great number of teams ready. I'm no expert and I am genuinely curious to know how this explains the differential in stats between him and the rest of the line? He is being used to set the edge exclusively and never make a tackle? Edited January 1, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I'm no expert and I am genuinely curious to know how this explains the differential in stats between him and the rest of the line? He is being used to set the edge exclusively and never make a tackle? i will do further study but have looked at it before. his tackles are less than half of what he had last year; most of the DL has had the same numbers for tackles. Everyone is a fraction of their sacks, pass deflections and tackles for loss. Mario, himself, had 7 tackles for losses last year and 0 this year. 2 things to keep in mind before i delve in to this with stats. 1) mario would disapear for weeks at a time last year and his effort was and always has been questioned. 2) mario playing poorly or not we're still tops in the league in run defense, so something is working to stop them even if mario is not. but my biggest take is if rex is to be this great coach and has any pulse of the team as such, why hasn't he pulled mario?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I can't see Kyle jumping into this. he is too much of a team player, Probably he voices his opinion with teamates. i just don't see Him stirring the pot. Not his style and those paychecks are still pretty nice size. i could see Kyle someday being a candidate for the stadium wall. Agreed. Not his style, if he has something to say he would say it to a guy's face not to a reporter and not anonymously. I think there is also a kind of understanding, that injured players (or inactives) don't call out their teammates. It's one thing to call a guy out if you're standing next to him taking blows and blocks and fighting your own battles. It's another to call him out if you're standing on the sidelines in street clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Film doesn't lie when you do know the play call, too. There was a thread after the Washington game that linked to a Football Outsiders article with gifs to support their assertion that Mario was dogging it. The first gif was of a running play that he could not have played any better; set his corner and turned the play into the pursuit that was slow in getting there. Great play by Mario and pretty easy to ascertain what his keys were pre-snap. The other gifs were damning. As were the All-22 views of every game the last several weeks. He simply chose to disengage. On third and long with an empty backfield, one doesn't need to know the play call to determine what his keys were and that he needed to get up field and apply pressure. I wasn't surprised by the comments revealed by his teammates alluding to taking "two steps and then stopping." We were saying the exact same thing weeks ago. I'm pretty sure his teammates knew the exact play calls, too. The defense of this quitter is amazing around here. GO BILLS!!! Football Outsiders is a joke. I have said it before and others have said it before. A lot of those sites use everyday Joes who know nothing about football to critique plays and judge what happens. They show you glimpses of plays based on speculation and not the whole viewpoint. keying in on any one specific instance can come across any which way. i am not defending mario and i am not even saying he has taken plays off. he has, every player has. it's evident he and others are frustrated. lets hope him being a scapegoat does something, but i would like to go ahead and make sure its known we will never win with Rex. we'll have cute pressers, we'll have fun games, we'll win some good games but we won't win the super bowl. as a coach he will be out classed and out coached. he's a baffoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Not one time did this occur. Not trolling, but... Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 27 Dec 2015 Mario Williams wasn't just in coverage there, he was LINED UP ON A WIDE RECEIVER! Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 27 Dec 2015 Jay Skurski Retweeted James W. Banko Here is a screen shot of Mario lined up on a wide receiver. https://twitter.com/Bankojw/status/681212873952096256 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 here is some damming evidence against Mario, ouch! "One other teammate, who wished to remain anonymous, ramped it up a notch in saying Williams checked out a long time ago, back to not wanting to take part in the conditioning test before training camp. “It’s been clear to me that Mario doesn’t care about anybody but himself,” the teammate said. “He followed that up by not giving any effort during the season and complaining about the scheme instead of manning up and saying he played like crap and doesn’t care.” Has Williams checked out? “Totally checked out.” http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/12/31/marios-swan-song-with-bills-is-near/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) A good argument for incentive contracts, just wishful thinking, I know Same for guaranteed contracts for players and coaches who don't live up to expectations. Edited January 1, 2016 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 amazing we say schwartz's shortcomings on defense were the inability to stop teams last year and all of this hoorah yet, turn around and excuse Rex for this for only being in year one disgruntled employee coached by a coach who bit off more than he could chew/lied to an organization An escape goat to me is someone on whom blame is placed even though they are actually blameless. Mario is not blameless. If you watch he games you know this, he is part, maybe a big part, of the problem. His effort has been lacking, and this is not a recent phenomenon, it's been going on pretty much all season. The only reason he hasn't been benched is because the HC can't bring himself to drop the hammer. The HC may be problem #1, but Mario isn't far behind. For Rex to have any chance at success, IMO, he has to be made to bring in someone to be the hammer. He also needs this someone to be a stickler for the "mundane" details of day to day business, and also be a strong game manager because Rex isn't these things. You might ask "then why keep Rex?" My answer would be that he isn't going anywhere so let's make the very best of his tenure that we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) i will do further study but have looked at it before. his tackles are less than half of what he had last year; most of the DL has had the same numbers for tackles. Everyone is a fraction of their sacks, pass deflections and tackles for loss. Mario, himself, had 7 tackles for losses last year and 0 this year. 2 things to keep in mind before i delve in to this with stats. 1) mario would disapear for weeks at a time last year and his effort was and always has been questioned. 2) mario playing poorly or not we're still tops in the league in run defense, so something is working to stop them even if mario is not. but my biggest take is if rex is to be this great coach and has any pulse of the team as such, why hasn't he pulled mario?! In the second half of the season Mario had almost a quarter of the statistical tackles (a quarter is being generous) that the rest of the D line had individually, and only a portion of production he had the first half of the year. He did get injured, and did miss a game in the second half of the year, but that reason has taken a backseat to complaints about the scheme. If he was too injured to be productive then he should've been benched, but then again we were already shorthanded, maybe Rex had to make do with what he had. Edited January 1, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share Posted January 1, 2016 Not trolling, but... Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 27 Dec 2015 Mario Williams wasn't just in coverage there, he was LINED UP ON A WIDE RECEIVER! Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 27 Dec 2015 Jay Skurski Retweeted James W. Banko Here is a screen shot of Mario lined up on a wide receiver. https://twitter.com/Bankojw/status/681212873952096256 Okay. I stand corrected. It's still not enough of an issue to excuse his utter lack of effort and failure to buy in for the sake of the team this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 How many times was he supposed to drop back? How many times was Mario supposed to actually try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Why don't fans realize he was going to be gone no matter how well he played this year. Bills just have a better excuse now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harveyj001 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Saw an article yesterday, can't find it this morning I was into several drinks last light, but it showed Mario had dropped into coverage 21 times this year, the previous years it averaged around 16 or 17. It wasn't even one more time per game. It was 18 times under Pettine. His complaints are unwarranted and he is just trying to get out of town. I say good riddance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Just a !@#$ing joke. The fact that Rex couldn't figure out how to utilize someone like Mario Williams and we are now getting rid of him..... We are all in on Rex Who would you rather have? Incognito and Glenn (you can replace one player with Bradham in the combo) or Mario Williams on this team next year? Because of the cap situation that is what the front office would have faced if Williams was an all-pro this year. Edited January 1, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Who would you rather have? Incognito and Glenn (you can replace one player with Bradham in the combo) or Mario Williams on this team next year? Because of the cap situation that is what the front office would have faced if Williams was an all-pro this year. I think it's true that Williams would likely have been gone, but if he played lights-out 1) he might have trade value 2) he would have a larger choice of teams and could negotiate a higher salary 3) it's possible that the Bills might have done better, even playoff contention better? here is some damming evidence against Mario, ouch! "One other teammate, who wished to remain anonymous, ramped it up a notch in saying Williams checked out a long time ago, back to not wanting to take part in the conditioning test before training camp. “It’s been clear to me that Mario doesn’t care about anybody but himself,” the teammate said. “He followed that up by not giving any effort during the season and complaining about the scheme instead of manning up and saying he played like crap and doesn’t care.” Has Williams checked out? “Totally checked out.” http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/12/31/marios-swan-song-with-bills-is-near/ This is the part I don't understand, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand he'll be a likely cap casualty, so why not play his best and showcase himself? Edited January 1, 2016 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) I think it's true that Williams would likely have been gone, but if he played lights-out 1) he might have trade value 2) he would have a larger choice of teams and could negotiate a higher salary 3) it's possible that the Bills might have done better, even playoff contention better? I concede if he was an all-pro he could have trade value but even in that scenario you are only going to get a mid to low round pick for him because of the 20 million dollar salary. To be honest I don't think any team regardless of his play would give Mario more money. He is currently making quarterback money at the DE position and is what 31 or 32 years old? My point being regardless of how this season played out the Bills were at a crossroad with him and it was going to end ugly either way. Personally, I won't loss any sleep over him leaving. Edited January 1, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Film don't lie; I've seen too many lackadaisical plays from Mario this season to give two schitts about the Bills cutting him loose. Look at how Hughes goes balls out on every play. The Mario F5 ground up in the freezer thread will live in infamy, but it's time to turn the page on that chapter. Rex and Whaley get this offseason to bring in the D players they want/need, and we judge Rex next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Not trolling, but... Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 27 Dec 2015 Mario Williams wasn't just in coverage there, he was LINED UP ON A WIDE RECEIVER! Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 27 Dec 2015 Jay Skurski Retweeted James W. Banko Here is a screen shot of Mario lined up on a wide receiver. https://twitter.com/Bankojw/status/681212873952096256 Just pulled that play up, and Dallas got a delay of game on that play. The way Mario was twitching, I want to say he was going to rush anyway. I have no idea why he was lined up there. When they lined up again, the offense showed an identical look, and he lined up closer to the D line and did rush. No one got there in time, and a 22 yard first down was thrown to Williams on 3rd and 19 Edit: A great effort by Dallas' Williams to get the 1st down. Edited January 1, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Okay. I stand corrected. It's still not enough of an issue to excuse his utter lack of effort and failure to buy in for the sake of the team this season. Oh it isn't at all. While I loved the signing of him and how he played the previous few seasons, he has been a big f#&king baby this year. He is not a leader and only cares about himself. Remember Ray Lewis saying he didn't follow the play, rushed the QB and gave up the touchdown - that was the only real effort I saw this season from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Could be this guy to get just as much production. Do you have any pictures of potential coaches that could have gotten more production out of our defensive roster? I've linked one: Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 here is some damming evidence against Mario, ouch! "One other teammate, who wished to remain anonymous, ramped it up a notch in saying Williams checked out a long time ago, back to not wanting to take part in the conditioning test before training camp. “It’s been clear to me that Mario doesn’t care about anybody but himself,” the teammate said. “He followed that up by not giving any effort during the season and complaining about the scheme instead of manning up and saying he played like crap and doesn’t care.” Has Williams checked out? “Totally checked out.” http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/12/31/marios-swan-song-with-bills-is-near/ Three players come to mind when reading these comments: Jerry Hughes, Aaron Williams, and Corey Graham. These three have never been shy about voicing their opinion and all have a certain status on the team that warrants inclusion of their thoughts. For my money, I think it's Jerry Hughes. He lines up opposite Mario, so Mario's lack of effort would also hinder his production. I've also heard him use the term "bell cow" in an earlier interview. If I was a betting man (which I am, haha), I'd put my money on Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) There are some serious leaks within this organization which need to be dealt with. Honestly, it seems to me that there has been a lot more bad information leaked to the national media than accurate stuff. I will give this more creedance because Wawrow is reporting it, but most "insider info" leaked via the national media seems to be speculation reported, and then people "run with it" so to speak...it makes sense that they would cut Mario, we all kind of guessed that...but I wonder if anyone really leaked it to a reporter. Edited January 1, 2016 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Football Outsiders is a joke. I have said it before and others have said it before. A lot of those sites use everyday Joes who know nothing about football to critique plays and judge what happens. They show you glimpses of plays based on speculation and not the whole viewpoint. keying in on any one specific instance can come across any which way. i am not defending mario and i am not even saying he has taken plays off. he has, every player has. it's evident he and others are frustrated. lets hope him being a scapegoat does something, but i would like to go ahead and make sure its known we will never win with Rex. we'll have cute pressers, we'll have fun games, we'll win some good games but we won't win the super bowl. as a coach he will be out classed and out coached. he's a baffoon. Why is FO a joke? What problem, *specifically*, do you have with their DVOA method of ranking defenses and production? Their method is easily accessible on their site. (Btw, I don't take seriously criticism that amounts to hand waving claims that stat analysis is bs/useless. It's like saying Bill James's work is a joke because he didn't play the game and is just a nerd.) I also don't think that the gifs referred to were from FO, btw, but I could be wrong ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 here is some damming evidence against Mario, ouch! "One other teammate, who wished to remain anonymous, ramped it up a notch in saying Williams checked out a long time ago, back to not wanting to take part in the conditioning test before training camp. “It’s been clear to me that Mario doesn’t care about anybody but himself,” the teammate said. “He followed that up by not giving any effort during the season and complaining about the scheme instead of manning up and saying he played like crap and doesn’t care.” Has Williams checked out? “Totally checked out.” http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/12/31/marios-swan-song-with-bills-is-near/ It's obvious by watching him play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Three players come to mind when reading these comments: Jerry Hughes, Aaron Williams, and Corey Graham. These three have never been shy about voicing their opinion and all have a certain status on the team that warrants inclusion of their thoughts. For my money, I think it's Jerry Hughes. He lines up opposite Mario, so Mario's lack of effort would also hinder his production. I've also heard him use the term "bell cow" in an earlier interview. If I was a betting man (which I am, haha), I'd put my money on Hughes. Would be very interesting if Hughes was one of the guys making comments because him and Mario had become very good friends off the field the last couple years. I follow both guys on twitter and they spend alot of time hanging out in the offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Manny Lawson? Smartest player on the team, a true vet, and has known Mario since college ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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