Buffalo Beeeews Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Not to nitpick, but what is the purpose of this signing when a proven vet like Mike Vick is out there? I get the idea of a "camp arm", but when there's no proven starter on this roster, why not sign someone to make this a serious competition? I'm leaning 90-10 that Simms will be cut before the season starts, and I get his ties to Rex from his Jets days, but I think that's all this is and essentially serves no purpose. This team is a game-manager-at-best/ don't-lose-the-game QB away from contending for the division (with New England behind the eight ball for the first month...well, til June 23rd, anyway). Why not be a little more damn serious about it?! Just seems as if the organization is going through the motions with this Quarterback "competition". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Rex's boys gotta eat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 This thread title made me laugh. So existential... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I don't think Simms will amoount to much either but you say we need a "game manager/don't lose the game" guy, that definately isn'y Michael Vick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 This thread title made me laugh. So existential... Seriously. Whats the point of any of us??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Not to nitpick, but what is the purpose of this signing when a proven vet like Mike Vick is out there? I get the idea of a "camp arm", but when there's no proven starter on this roster, why not sign someone to make this a serious competition?icki I'm leaning 90-10 that Simms will be cut before the season starts, and I get his ties to Rex from his Jets days, but I think that's all this is and essentially serves no purpose. This team is a game-manager-at-best/ don't-lose-the-game QB away from contending for the division (with New England behind the eight ball for the first month...well, til June 23rd, anyway). Why not be a little more damn serious about it?! Just seems as if the organization is going through the motions with this Quarterback "competition". You are nit picking. They don't think Vick is a good fit for this team or else they would sign him. Maybe Simms will get cut, but if a QB gets injured, he will come back. They are not 'going through the motions', are they going through the motions with 5 tackles on the roster even though they'll only keep 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 better arm than Tuel that's it - upgrade position all the time even if you replace a guy who's not going to play with another guy who's not going to play who's 3% better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) Not to nitpick, but what is the purpose of this signing when a proven vet like Mike Vick is out there? I get the idea of a "camp arm", but when there's no proven starter on this roster, why not sign someone to make this a serious competition? I'm leaning 90-10 that Simms will be cut before the season starts, and I get his ties to Rex from his Jets days, but I think that's all this is and essentially serves no purpose. This team is a game-manager-at-best/ don't-lose-the-game QB away from contending for the division (with New England behind the eight ball for the first month...well, til June 23rd, anyway). Why not be a little more damn serious about it?! Just seems as if the organization is going through the motions with this Quarterback "competition". There are a lot of reasons to not sign Vick. He wouldn't come cheap. He is injury prone. He would add controversy to the QB competition. If they decide to trade EJ (certainly a possibility), Simms makes sense as a third stringer. In that situation, he would be a better third stringer than Tuel. And, considering how the QB "competition" went in Jersey, it doesn't seem like Rex thinks very highly of Vick. I would imagine they were considering him when they decided to sign Cassel. Really, rather than Simms, the more apt question would be, "why Cassel over Vick?" Edited June 5, 2015 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 He makes the team. They would have keep tuel for just camp arm. They did not. That's why he makes the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 He makes the team. They would have keep tuel for just camp arm. They did not. That's why he makes the team. Makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Not to nitpick, but what is the purpose of this signing when a proven vet like Mike Vick is out there? (...) This team is a game-manager-at-best/ don't-lose-the-game QB away from contending for the division (with New England behind the eight ball for the first month...well, til June 23rd, anyway). Why not be a little more damn serious about it?! Are you trolling? It's good if so...I cant tell If not, please reflect that Vick was on the Jets last year. If Rex thought he was better than or even competitive with, Cassel Manuel and Taylor, he'd already be here. As for Simms, who knows? Maybe Tuel wasn't picking up the playbook as Roman wanted and Rexy knows Simms has a better football mind. Maybe he has a better arm as well. And his football mind came here carrying intel on the Jets new playbook. He makes the team. They would have keep tuel for just camp arm. They did not. That's why he makes the team. Now YOU, I KNOW you're trollin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) This thread title made me laugh. So existential... whats that mean? Existential. i mean what does it really mean? Seriously. Whats the point of any of us??? camp bodies. so dont get your hopes up. There are a lot of reasons to not sign Vick. He wouldn't come cheap. He is injury prone. He would add controversy to the QB competition. If they decide to trade EJ (certainly a possibility), Simms makes sense as a third stringer. In that situation, he would be a better third stringer than Tuel. And, considering how the QB "competition" went in Jersey, it doesn't seem like Rex thinks very highly of Vick. I would imagine they were considering him when they decided to sign Cassel. Really, rather than Simms, the more apt question would be, "why Cassel over Vick?" good post Are you trolling? It's good if so...I cant tell If not, please reflect that Vick was on the Jets last year. If Rex thought he was better than or even competitive with, Cassel Manuel and Taylor, he'd already be here. As for Simms, who knows? Maybe Tuel wasn't picking up the playbook as Roman wanted and Rexy knows Simms has a better football mind. Maybe he has a better arm as well. And his football mind came here carrying intel on the Jets new playbook. Now YOU, I KNOW you're trollin' another good post. doing Phil a favor is my wild guess. lets not forget Rex was considering broadcasting and had offers! Edited June 6, 2015 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 This thread title made me laugh. So existential... Me too. Nice. What is the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norton20 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I suspect it is insurance in case one of the 3 primary guys would rather get cut than be #3 or under performs and IS cut. Simms is a much more logical number three than Manuel, Cassell or Taylor and is likely an upgrade on Tuel (though that isnt clear). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 There are some days that I wish I never decided to visit the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 If one of our top 3 QBs gets long term injury, he is perfect #3. An upgrade over Tuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Camp arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Sadly, Simms is not clearly worse that whoever the hell our back up looks to be...and our back up is not clearly worse than whoever the hell our starter is. In ordinary times I would agree that there is no point to Simms. We live in extraordinary times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 why do we have 90 players on our roster when we only need 53? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLbills Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Well, the Bills gave up 3 draft picks to acquire Cassel, so I don't believe they will cut him. He brings veteran starter experience and he got to learn from a future HOF quarterback. Doubtful that they will get rid of E.J. due to cap reasons. Plus there is a chance that he may develop and win the job outright. The only possibility would be is if he were traded. Most likely candidate to not make the team but the chances are low, IMO. Tyrod is the unknown by many, but he was hand selected by Rex and has been not doing any worse than the Cassel or E.J.. Whether or not that says a whole bunch remains to be seen but that's a different conversation. IMO Simms ends up on P.S. and will be available if called upon. Of course this is all just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) Well, the Bills gave up 3 draft picks to acquire Cassel, so I don't believe they will cut him. He brings veteran starter experience and he got to learn from a future HOF quarterback. Doubtful that they will get rid of E.J. due to cap reasons. Plus there is a chance that he may develop and win the job outright. The only possibility would be is if he were traded. Most likely candidate to not make the team but the chances are low, IMO. Tyrod is the unknown by many, but he was hand selected by Rex and has been not doing any worse than the Cassel or E.J.. Whether or not that says a whole bunch remains to be seen but that's a different conversation. IMO Simms ends up on P.S. and will be available if called upon. Of course this is all just my opinion. they actually only gave up one draft pick for Cassel, a 5th rounder. They swapped 6ths with the Vikes. We got there's this year and I believe they get ours next year. Edited June 6, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLbills Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 they actually only gave up one draft pick for Cassel, a 5th rounder. They swapped 6ths with the Vikes. We got there's this year and I believe they get ours next year. My bad, I even dug up old stories to try and make sure I had my facts right too, lol. http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/03/04/matt-cassel-trade-buffalo-bills-vikings Sorry if the link isn't able to be clicked, I'm on my phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Not to nitpick, but what is the purpose of this signing when a proven vet like Mike Vick is out there? I get the idea of a "camp arm", but when there's no proven starter on this roster, why not sign someone to make this a serious competition? I'm leaning 90-10 that Simms will be cut before the season starts, and I get his ties to Rex from his Jets days, but I think that's all this is and essentially serves no purpose. This team is a game-manager-at-best/ don't-lose-the-game QB away from contending for the division (with New England behind the eight ball for the first month...well, til June 23rd, anyway). Why not be a little more damn serious about it?! Just seems as if the organization is going through the motions with this Quarterback "competition". I hope I'm wrong...but I suspect Ryan is less than impressed with the three qbs we have right now and he is still looking. Nobody seems to be raving about any of the three we have, even on this board...I don't think bringing Matt Simms is in a good sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Not to nitpick, but what is the purpose of this signing when a proven vet like Mike Vick is out there? proven terrible? Vick is god awful. He's not even worthy of holding camp fodder's jockstrap at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 The bring Mike Vick in stuff makes me laugh everytime. He's a raging dumpster fire of a qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Seriously. Whats the point of any of us??? 3.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Seriously. Whats the point of any of us??? to be, or not to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 He is better then most people here believe.......he makes this team. Wait and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yes he will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 The bring Mike Vick in stuff makes me laugh everytime. He's a raging dumpster fire of a qb.Exactly. The Bills need some drama. Things are going too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 whats that mean? Existential. i mean what does i really mean? Exceptional response. Simply outstanding The bring Mike Vick in stuff makes me laugh everytime. He's a raging dumpster fire of a qb. Exactly. The Bills need some drama. Things are going too well. Exactly. Age has robbed Vick of what he brought to the table. He was always going to suck as a QB once his athleticism went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Did you watch Vick play last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 I hope I'm wrong...but I suspect Ryan is less than impressed with the three qbs we have right now and he is still looking. Nobody seems to be raving about any of the three we have, even on this board...I don't think bringing Matt Simms is in a good sign. Aren't we all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 My take; our Bills are looking to progress from their 1st winning season in a decade, however 'shady' that may have been. They look to do so in spite of yet another whole-scale change of coaches & schemes, with as many as 7 new starters on offense -including QB, at least 1position change and as many as 5 position changes on Defense, while saying goodby to the luxury of a KO specialist. To compound the unlikelyhood of this desire, they open the season against the 2 AFC Conference Championship teams & SB winner. Conference game losses were their Achilles Heel last year. With all this is mind, we simply Can't 'Introduce Tyrod' on such an important and Grand Stage. Despite everything (excuses?) being said about Manuel, the last time we saw him play meaningful football, he was a basket case and had lost his team. Tuel was finally jettisoned. That leaves Cassel's veteran savvy for these 2 (too?) crucial games. I'm convinced he'll be Day 1starter, though not the long term solution. Which brings us to Simms. You could say we need a 4th arm in order for these dual field exercises to work well, but the kid can play -better than Tuel. Here's where my grief comes: he played better in one nearly complete preseason game than EJ ever has -all the way back to high school. He has proper technique and -unlike all the QBs on the team, serious pro pedigree. He's got a blazing, accurate arm and understanding of the game. We may carry 4 into the start of the season, but I believe one will eventually be cut -and I think Matt Simms stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 My take; our Bills are looking to progress from their 1st winning season in a decade, however 'shady' that may have been. They look to do so in spite of yet another whole-scale change of coaches & schemes, with as many as 7 new starters on offense -including QB, at least 1position change and as many as 5 position changes on Defense, while saying goodby to the luxury of a KO specialist. To compound the unlikelyhood of this desire, they open the season against the 2 AFC Conference Championship teams & SB winner. Conference game losses were their Achilles Heel last year. With all this is mind, we simply Can't 'Introduce Tyrod' on such an important and Grand Stage. Despite everything (excuses?) being said about Manuel, the last time we saw him play meaningful football, he was a basket case and had lost his team. Tuel was finally jettisoned. That leaves Cassel's veteran savvy for these 2 (too?) crucial games. I'm convinced he'll be Day 1starter, though not the long term solution. Which brings us to Simms. You could say we need a 4th arm in order for these dual field exercises to work well, but the kid can play -better than Tuel. Here's where my grief comes: he played better in one nearly complete preseason game than EJ ever has -all the way back to high school. He has proper technique and -unlike all the QBs on the team, serious pro pedigree. He's got a blazing, accurate arm and understanding of the game. We may carry 4 into the start of the season, but I believe one will eventually be cut -and I think Matt Simms stays. Essentially, you're placing EJ fourth down the depth chart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 why do we have 90 players on our roster when we only need 53? Why can we only have 53 when we really need ninety , i might ask ? Essentially, you're placing EJ fourth down the depth chart? This is my question also. I do agree about the Tyrod starting. Manuel has more exp than TT playing. Cassel should be a dependable back up unless EJ just cant take that step pre season. If he cant ! : ( he should get pushed down the ladder. we really have a mystery at QBs. Keeps it interesting during the offseason for us though. lotsa chatter about what ifs ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Essentially, you're placing EJ fourth down the depth chart? I guess, without trying though. I know what I've seen in him and nothing short of a miraculous, unforeseen 360 degree turnaround, could I buy into any other assessment. He speaks well. That's all I've seen.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) Sims is a good pickup, since we still don't know if EJ or Tyrod can play. Cassell can play.....maybe not at a high level all the time, but he will have his moments as his 11 year career demonstrates. Edited June 7, 2015 by bigK14094 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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