DC Tom Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) And let's review this classic as well... This one's particularly awesome now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD7i5hQYHZs Edited May 6, 2015 by DC Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Can we all please agree to not respond to Watkins on this? Yes sir. I learned my lesson after getting a warning point for responding to his nonsense in the McDavid/Eichel thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 In some people's minds, but not in mine. I feel exactly the same about them. They have been the best team for the last 15 years. A little (or a lot of) cheating can do that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Each QB should have the ball the way they want it. QBs need to stop being such nancy's and use what's provided by the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 QBs need to stop being such nancy's and use what's provided by the NFL. I favor the idea of an across the board standardized football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) True. What are the stages of grief? Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance? I don't think many Pats fans will ever past denial, to be honest. Luckily for them, the league will never do much of anything to force them past that stage. Brady and the Pats will get off with a relatively light punishment. Edited May 6, 2015 by Brandon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Brady should get a year suspension or even a ban. This violates the integrity of the game. But ray rice only got a couple games for KOing his wife so Brady will probably get a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 A little (or a lot of) cheating can do that for you. You know ... I've pretty much always been of the mind that the cheating they've been caught for was a) not necessary for them to win and b) borderline trivial. But after this, I'd have to think there must be some somewhat significant punishments being handed down. The league needs to look at the history and not this one particular incident, in my opinion. I honestly don't think that any of their cheating has helped them win games. But ... it's still cheating and there needs to be consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Each QB should have the ball the way they want it. Agreed, as long as it's within the rules. Oh, is that a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Brady should get a year suspension or even a ban. This violates the integrity of the game. But ray rice only got a couple games for KOing his wife so Brady will probably get a bonus. Exactly how I feel. How can you go more against the 'image' the league wants to protect than what Brady did? Deliberately cheating and also bribing others (seemingly against their will) to cheat as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Brady should get a year suspension or even a ban. This violates the integrity of the game. But ray rice only got a couple games for KOing his wife so Brady will probably get a bonus. Ray Rice got a couple of games for KO'ing his wife...and a hell of a lot more for getting videotaped doing it. You can hit a woman...just don't embarrass the league. If this were just Brady deflating balls...no big deal. But he had a press conference and lied through his teeth about it. Don't know what he'll get for altering the balls...but don't embarrass the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Brady should get a year suspension or even a ban. This violates the integrity of the game. But ray rice only got a couple games for KOing his wife so Brady will probably get a bonus.As heinous as it was/is, Ray Rice KOing his lady didn't ruin the integrity of competition within the league. Edited May 6, 2015 by sodbuster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 You know ... I've pretty much always been of the mind that the cheating they've been caught for was a) not necessary for them to win and b) borderline trivial. But after this, I'd have to think there must be some somewhat significant punishments being handed down. The league needs to look at the history and not this one particular incident, in my opinion. I honestly don't think that any of their cheating has helped them win games. But ... it's still cheating and there needs to be consequences. You don't think spygate was to help them win games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2015/01/troy_aikman_says_patriots_punishment_for_cheating_should_exceed_bountygate_penalties.html There's no way Roger doesn't drop the hammer on Brady. The optics are just too bad... Edited May 6, 2015 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pondslider Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Ray Rice got a couple of games for KO'ing his wife...and a hell of a lot more for getting videotaped doing it. You can hit a woman...just don't embarrass the league. If this were just Brady deflating balls...no big deal. But he had a press conference and lied through his teeth about it. Don't know what he'll get for altering the balls...but don't embarrass the league. Important to remember though Ray Rice is not Tom Brady. Ray Rice was an aging RB and that issue was much more serious. It was at least possible that the NFL was going to lose sponsors over it (maybe). This will just be another storyline to promote the defending champs and the greatest QB of this generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaccof Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Pa-lease, did we expect anything less than this report? Anybody have 100 pages in the pool? My guess was 68..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2015/01/troy_aikman_says_patriots_punishment_for_cheating_should_exceed_bountygate_penalties.html There's now way Roger doesn't drop the hammer on Brady. The optics are just too bad... Doesn't matter if the findings are "bad", its the Patriots, and it'll be a slap on the wrist. Tom Brady is the face of the NFL more often than not. No way they hit him hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Buffalo Wings Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 You know ... I've pretty much always been of the mind that the cheating they've been caught for was a) not necessary for them to win and b) borderline trivial. But after this, I'd have to think there must be some somewhat significant punishments being handed down. The league needs to look at the history and not this one particular incident, in my opinion. I honestly don't think that any of their cheating has helped them win games. But ... it's still cheating and there needs to be consequences. 80 in a 65? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Suspend Tom Brady for the 1st two games. One against Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 i get the feeling a lot of people on this board are going to be angry when the punishment handed down to brady is a lot lighter than the one that they anticipated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 no way Brady is suspended for the first game of the year. that will hurt the ratings and put a damper on the big showdown. i don't think the NFL will let that happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Or not surprised they held onto it until after the draft. I understand that timing - I'm saying their execution was poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Important to remember though Ray Rice is not Tom Brady. Ray Rice was an aging RB and that issue was much more serious. It was at least possible that the NFL was going to lose sponsors over it (maybe). This will just be another storyline to promote the defending champs and the greatest QB of this generation. I don't doubt Goodell's going to !@#$ this up somehow...some sort of light punishment that he tries to convince everyone is exceedingly harsh or soft-shoes it because "It's not like he's Aaron Hernandez" or something. Why the hell would anyone have any faith in Goodell to do anything right when it comes to player discipline, really? My prediction is that Brady gets a lighter punishment than he would if he were caught smoking pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Doesn't matter if the findings are "bad", its the Patriots, and it'll be a slap on the wrist. Tom Brady is the face of the NFL more often than not. No way they hit him hard. Can't see it. The most telling thing is the Vegas line being removed on the Pats. That tells you that "this time is different..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Wow, this report is pretty thorough and damning. After not communicating by telephone or text message for more than six months (based on data retrieved from Jastremski‟s cell phone), Brady and Jastremski spoke by telephone at least twice on January 19 (calls lasting a total of 25 minutes and 2 seconds), twice on January 20 (calls lasting a total of 9 minutes and 55 seconds) and twice on January 21 (calls lasting a total of 20 minutes and 52 seconds) before Jastremski surrendered his cell phone to the Patriots later that day for forensic imaging. These calls included conversations relatively early during the mornings of January 19 (7:26 a.m. for 13 minutes and 4 seconds), January 20 (8:22 a.m. for 6 minutes and 21 seconds) and January 21 (7:38 a.m. for 13 minutes and 47 seconds). Brady also took the unprecedented step of inviting Jastremski to the QB room (essentially Brady‟s office) in Gillette Stadium on January 19 for the first and only time that Jastremski can recall during his twenty-year career with the Patriots, and Brady sent Jastremski text messages seemingly designed to calm Jastremski (“You good Jonny boy?”; “You doing good?”). For his part, Jastremski sent Brady text messages confirming that he was okay (“Still nervous; so far so good though”) and cautioning Brady about questioning (“FYI...Dave will be picking your brain later about it. He‟s not accusing me, or anyone...trying to get to bottom of it. He knows it‟s unrealistic you did it yourself...”). Edited May 6, 2015 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 So, reviewing what we already know: the Patriots cheated, Brady lied through his teeth at the PC, everyone over there is guilty..... Now the relevant question: What the hell is the NFL going to do about this? How about a suspension for Brady that includes that early game with the Bills? Works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 no way Brady is suspended for the first game of the year. that will hurt the ratings and put a damper on the big showdown. i don't think the NFL will let that happen Unless they want to play up the "Brady comeback" story in week 4 or something. But...no. "Superbowl MVP suspended for cheating, to miss season opener" is an extremely bad image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 no way Brady is suspended for the first game of the year. that will hurt the ratings and put a damper on the big showdown. i don't think the NFL will let that happen He will be suspended at least 2 games. The league goes on with or without him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) If Ray Farmer gets 4 games for sending texts, there should be a march on NFL offices if Brady gets anything less for lying, failing to cooperate in the investigation and bribing equipment guys. Edited May 6, 2015 by Chuck Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I don't doubt Goodell's going to !@#$ this up somehow...some sort of light punishment that he tries to convince everyone is exceedingly harsh or soft-shoes it because "It's not like he's Aaron Hernandez" or something. Why the hell would anyone have any faith in Goodell to do anything right when it comes to player discipline, really? My prediction is that Brady gets a lighter punishment than he would if he were caught smoking pot. Goodell is out of it -- Troy Vincent is responsible for determining any punishment in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Can we all please agree to not respond to Watkins on this? What is up with your "group think" pleadings? What are you afraid of? I must be striking a nerve with the truth, for you to plead with other posters like this, over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 if they suspend Steelers RB L. Bell for 3 games for driving high/pot possession, which has no impact on the on-field integrity of the game, Brady should get at least 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 2 game suspension sounds right. I've stuck up for Brady for years here. I'm eating crow for dinner tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 If Ray Farmer gets 4 games for sending texts, there should be a march on NFL offices if Brady gets anything less for lying, failing to cooperate in the investigation and bribing equipment guys. exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 What is up with your "group think" pleadings? What are you afraid of? I must be striking a nerve with the truth, for you to plead with other posters like this, over and over. No you just annoy everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 2 game suspension sounds right. I've stuck up for Brady for years here. I'm eating crow for dinner tonight. you really need to eat a LOT OF CROW for sticking up for Brady*. But at least you admit your mistake like a man, unlike Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 What is up with your "group think" pleadings? What are you afraid of? I must be striking a nerve with the truth, for you to plead with other posters like this, over and over. Read the report man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Shocker! Guess ol' Bobby met the fake Clarence Beeks when he made his statement. And here I thought Tommy boy sold his soul to go from a 6th round nobody to a top QB. Instead he sold his ethics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 2 game suspension sounds right. I've stuck up for Brady for years here. I'm eating crow for dinner tonight. None of it sounds right. We need to get more creative here, like: has to stand at midfield during halftime of a Ravens home game, when the first thousand people through the gate get a chance to throw a cup of urine at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 i get the feeling a lot of people on this board are going to be angry when the punishment handed down to brady is a lot lighter than the one that they anticipated. Yep. While I feel that he should be suspended for at least a third of the season, the most likely outcome is no suspension and a relatively large fine that the league can play up as some serious punishment, but won't really hurt Brady or the Pats much at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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