NFL draft rumors 2024

[ngbills]

No Coleman and no S in the 1st. I am on the 1st round picks have to be QB, WR or Edge train. 

Edited April 11 by ngbills

[Goin Breakdown]

Odunze to the jets would suuuuuuuuuuuuck. Furthering the point that we need more that 1 elite WR and we may end up still with none. 

[HappyDays]

59 minutes ago, H2o said:

More than 1/3 of his season yardage totals and TD's came in 2 games, LSU and against Syracuse. He played in 10 others to the tune of 396 yards and 7 TD's.

 

I think his skill set translates better to the NFL where he won't be stuck with a college QB that never throws with anticipation. A WR's job in the NFL is to create leverage that opens up a throwing window. Coleman can create leverage with his pure size + strength, plus more nuance to his route running than he gets credit for.

[Warriorspikes51]

My own speculation:

 

28, 128, Spencer Brown to LV for 13

 

60, 160, 2025 2nd(MIN/HOU), 4th to CAR for 33 

 

 

13.  R. Odunze / Brian Thomas Jr

 

33.  Xavier Legette / Troy Franklin

 

Pros:

2 potential impact WR’s

& we keep our 2025 1st, 2nd, 3rd

 

Cons:

Spencer Brown is dealt. Potential downgrade at RT.

Edited April 11 by Warriorspikes51

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Because lots of people working in scouting departments and it is an incestuous business. And teams also play the smokescreen bluff and double bluff game with the media.

Yeah that’s my point. Why ever take this seriously. Nobody is ever going to tell you the truth so why ever even read it?

[Logic]

Dolphins: have Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, made an offer to OBJ, and have been linked to Xavier Worthy and Ricky Pearsall in the pre-draft process.

Jets: Have Garrett Wilson and Mike Williams, but might draft Brock Bowers or Rome Odunze

Chiefs: Have Travis Kelce and Rashee Rice, but signed Hollywood Brown and will likely draft a receiver high.

Bengals: Have JaMarr chase and Tee Higgins, may draft an offensive playmaker high.

Bills: ....likely to stay put or trade down and take the 7th or 8th best receiver in the class to pair with Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir?


I understand the argument for the "Packers model", but it's hard to see some of the other AFC teams doing all they can to get premium weapons, and then consider the notion of the Bills maybe just being happy with whatever's left at 28. I know no one knows anything yet, and it's too early for this talk, but...Bills fans and everyone else in the football watching world have been talking for three offseasons now about getting Josh more help. If their version of that is to jettison Stefon Diggs and then trade down into the 2nd to draft whoever's left at WR....color me slightly worried that that mission will have been accompished.

[34-78-83]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think his skill set translates better to the NFL where he won't be stuck with a college QB that never throws with anticipation. A WR's job in the NFL is to create leverage that opens up a throwing window. Coleman can create leverage with his pure size + strength, plus more nuance to his route running than he gets credit for.

Yes... I actually heard the Cover1 guys talking about his technique as well, and likening it to an NBA player dribbling up into a guy's space to create conflict, and then using that leverage to be "open". It won't look like the traditional separation we'd be used to seeing from like a Diggs type player. While Coleman isn't my favorite WR prospect in this draft, I trust what guys like that who spend a lot of time on it are saying about him.

[wppete]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Please, dear Lord, DO NOT let the Bills draft Keon Coleman. PLEASE.

 

For me the ideal situation would be trade back a few spots and try and add a 3rd round pick and draft Xavier Legette and Tez Walker with the first 2 picks. Then look at the defense and OL with all the other picks. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

4 hours ago, billieve420 said:

I am leaning more and more that the Bills should try to trade back into the early 2nd and get back a 3rd rounder. Draft a boundary guy like Legette or roll the dice on a guy like Worthy and grab Tez Walker later.

I am betting we trade 28 to Carllina for 33 and a 3rd.  1st pick of the 2nd round which gives us tons of ammo.

 

2 2nds, a 3rd and 2 4ths.  A ton can be done to improve this team with that. 

3 hours ago, Logic said:

Dolphins: have Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, made an offer to OBJ, and have been linked to Xavier Worthy and Ricky Pearsall in the pre-draft process.

Jets: Have Garrett Wilson and Mike Williams, but might draft Brock Bowers or Rome Odunze

Chiefs: Have Travis Kelce and Rashee Rice, but signed Hollywood Brown and will likely draft a receiver high.

Bengals: Have JaMarr chase and Tee Higgins, may draft an offensive playmaker high.

Bills: ....likely to stay put or trade down and take the 7th or 8th best receiver in the class to pair with Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir?


I understand the argument for the "Packers model", but it's hard to see some of the other AFC teams doing all they can to get premium weapons, and then consider the notion of the Bills maybe just being happy with whatever's left at 28. I know no one knows anything yet, and it's too early for this talk, but...Bills fans and everyone else in the football watching world have been talking for three offseasons now about getting Josh more help. If their version of that is to jettison Stefon Diggs and then trade down into the 2nd to draft whoever's left at WR....color me slightly worried that that mission will have been accompished.

And to be fair we beat the crap out of the Dolphins and usually beat the Jets.  We also beat KC in the regular season and it can be argued that if most of our LB's and DB'S weren't in a MASH unit,we best KC this last year in the playoffs.

 

Just scout and draft the guys that Brady and Josh need, not just names or fan/ media favorites 

Edited April 11 by SoonerBillsFan

[Allen2Moulds]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Coleman is a phenomenal athlete who will have a long career in the NFL...people who don't like him seem to be obsessed with his 40 time, which has been shown to have little correlation with NFL success...He's not my favorite WR prospect, but I would not mourn if the Bills were to take him in round 1 or 2.   

I watched my fair share of FSU this year, and do admit that he was a lot of fun to watch.  He was a guy that defenses always had to account for, and I thought he was one of the top WR's of this draft class. But I must admit that he probably scares me the most.  Even before the slow 40 at the combine, one of the big knocks on his scouting report, was lack of separation.  That scares me for any WR transitioning into the NFL where guys only get bigger and faster.  He would be worth the risk, if he somehow drops to the 2nd or 3rd round, but not as a 1st rounder, in my opinion.  I also do agree that the 40 thing is overblown.  Plenty of 4.5 guys that are much better players than 4.3 guys, but there is still a baseline for certain positions, WR being one of them.  Generally speaking, I believe the cutoff for WR's is somewhere in the 4.5-4.55 range.  There's tons of data to support this.  That being said, every once in a while, you get an Antwon Boldin type of exception, who coincidently enough, was also a 4.6 guy from FSU.  I believe he went in the 2nd round, if memory serves me right. 

Nacua who is the most popular comparison, I believe ran in the 4.57.  

 

I just read that Coleman hit 21.71mph on the go route...screw all logic, I'm back on the Coleman train.....lol. 

[jahnyc]

Why do people want to trade Brown?  I thought he improved last season and still seems to have potential to continue to improve.  I get it that he is a free agent after next season, but don't we already have enough holes?  I don't think Collins can be counted on to play full-time or to be an adequate replacement for Brown for a full season.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

3 hours ago, Lost said:

 

Didn't u read?  They're drafting a Safety 🤣 

 

 

I mean, they should be. It's just that help can be had with people expected to go in the 2nd-3rd

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Interesting. I have heard New England really likes JJ and that he very well could be the guy at #3.

Gunner - I read a lot of threads where people say “I heard…”. Just curious if you have a source (not that you need to name it), or would it be more accurate to say “I read”?  Just trying to separate the wheat from the chaff in these threads.  

[Cray51]

I'd be SHOCKED if one of the top 3 receivers is there at 10 for the Jets and the Bills DONT trade up to snag one of them.  Just like the Chiefs did with us an McDuffie, dont let rival teams take talent that fills a hole on your team.

[GunnerBill]

48 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Gunner - I read a lot of threads where people say “I heard…”. Just curious if you have a source (not that you need to name it), or would it be more accurate to say “I read”?  Just trying to separate the wheat from the chaff in these threads.  

 

I have 5 or 6 folks in the draft community I am on DM'ing terms with.

[OldTimer1960]

3 hours ago, Mat68 said:

If they trade down and pick up an extra day 2 pick I think he could be part of a double dip.  Coleman paired with Worthy, Franklin or Wilson is more palpable imo.  Coleman could be a fine wr but need to know what he is and is not.  Power slot with some jump ball ability in the redzone.  A traditional X I'm not convinced he is.  

Coleman seems riskier than others, so I would steer away (unless they are absolutely convinced he is the bomb) regardless who else the Bills pick.  In the scenario you pose that Coleman is a big slot and jump ball specialist, it hurts because he is competing them for targets with Kincaid, Shakir and Samuel.  I don’t think adding someone else like Worthy or Franklin mitigates that.  In spite of that, the role he seems fit for is too specialized (my opinion) to warrant a 2nd round pick.

[MiracleAtRich1393]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I am betting we trade 28 to Carllina for 33 and a 3rd

 

 

This needs to happen

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

 

This needs to happen

how about 28, 128, 2025 2nd from Diggs for  33 and 39

 

we come away with 3 2nd Rounders on Friday night.  All WR’s😎🤪

 

Xavier Legette

Troy Franklin

Ricky Pearsall 

Edited April 11 by Warriorspikes51

[DJB]

If we take Coleman at 28 I’m going to barf. Hes on the do not draft in round 1 list but I’m confident we aren’t taking him. He doesn’t separate, he’s not the best YAC and his hands are suspect. We know Beane has talked about those 3 things many times . 

[The Jokeman]

4 hours ago, H2o said:

Please, dear Lord, DO NOT let the Bills draft Keon Coleman. PLEASE.

Beane has talked about adding speed and RAC this off-season, Coleman is not that so think this won't happen or at least like you hope it doesn't.

[mannc]

57 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

I'd be SHOCKED if one of the top 3 receivers is there at 10 for the Jets and the Bills DONT trade up to snag one of them.  Just like the Chiefs did with us an McDuffie, dont let rival teams take talent that fills a hole on your team.

Do you think the Jets will trade pick 10 to the Bills to let them draft Rome Odunze or Brian Thomas???🤣

1 hour ago, jahnyc said:

Why do people want to trade Brown?  I thought he improved last season and still seems to have potential to continue to improve.  I get it that he is a free agent after next season, but don't we already have enough holes?  I don't think Collins can be counted on to play full-time or to be an adequate replacement for Brown for a full season.

Absolutely no one wants to trade Spencer Brown…

[The Jokeman]

57 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

I'd be SHOCKED if one of the top 3 receivers is there at 10 for the Jets and the Bills DONT trade up to snag one of them.  Just like the Chiefs did with us an McDuffie, dont let rival teams take talent that fills a hole on your team.

I'm also fully expecting Harbaugh to grab Brock Bowers as he's always favored TEs in his offense.

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

Dolphins: have Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, made an offer to OBJ, and have been linked to Xavier Worthy and Ricky Pearsall in the pre-draft process.

Jets: Have Garrett Wilson and Mike Williams, but might draft Brock Bowers or Rome Odunze

Chiefs: Have Travis Kelce and Rashee Rice, but signed Hollywood Brown and will likely draft a receiver high.

Bengals: Have JaMarr chase and Tee Higgins, may draft an offensive playmaker high.

Bills: ....likely to stay put or trade down and take the 7th or 8th best receiver in the class to pair with Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir?


I understand the argument for the "Packers model", but it's hard to see some of the other AFC teams doing all they can to get premium weapons, and then consider the notion of the Bills maybe just being happy with whatever's left at 28. I know no one knows anything yet, and it's too early for this talk, but...Bills fans and everyone else in the football watching world have been talking for three offseasons now about getting Josh more help. If their version of that is to jettison Stefon Diggs and then trade down into the 2nd to draft whoever's left at WR....color me slightly worried that that mission will have been accompished.

And chasing points is never the best way to win, instead you hold your opponent to less and/or cause them to make mistakes and take advantage of them. Until our defense can stop KC's offense on more than one drive in the post season we're going to struggle to earn a Lombardi trophy.

[RunTheBall]

If Coleman can’t separate against college DBs why in the world would we draft him in the first?

 

Beane himself said he’s looking for separation and YAC from receiver prospects

[Warriorspikes51]

30 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

how about 28, 128, 2025 2nd from Diggs for  33 and 39

 

we come away with 3 2nd Rounders on Friday night.  All WR’s😎🤪

 

Xavier Legette

Troy Franklin

Ricky Pearsall 

I outdid myself in a mock simulator.  We pulled McConkey, Legette and Franklin

 

PARTY TIME UP IN HERE

[Goin Breakdown]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

Dolphins: have Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, made an offer to OBJ, and have been linked to Xavier Worthy and Ricky Pearsall in the pre-draft process.

Jets: Have Garrett Wilson and Mike Williams, but might draft Brock Bowers or Rome Odunze

Chiefs: Have Travis Kelce and Rashee Rice, but signed Hollywood Brown and will likely draft a receiver high.

Bengals: Have JaMarr chase and Tee Higgins, may draft an offensive playmaker high.

Bills: ....likely to stay put or trade down and take the 7th or 8th best receiver in the class to pair with Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir?


I understand the argument for the "Packers model", but it's hard to see some of the other AFC teams doing all they can to get premium weapons, and then consider the notion of the Bills maybe just being happy with whatever's left at 28. I know no one knows anything yet, and it's too early for this talk, but...Bills fans and everyone else in the football watching world have been talking for three offseasons now about getting Josh more help. If their version of that is to jettison Stefon Diggs and then trade down into the 2nd to draft whoever's left at WR....color me slightly worried that that mission will have been accompished.

I'm 100% with you here. I don't like the thought that Buffalo would be cool with taking a chance on later round guys. 
The whole "As long we have Josh it doesn't matter who our receivers are" thought flies in the face of the Josh and Diggs are better off without each other" hot take that I've been hearing. 
My point is. We need elite talent at WR just like all these other teams have (and what you're stating above). 

[Cray51]

55 minutes ago, mannc said:

Do you think the Jets will trade pick 10 to the Bills to let them draft Rome Odunze or Brian Thomas???🤣

Absolutely no one wants to trade Spencer Brown…

No, I meant if they trade up to 8 or 9 to move ahead of the Jets.  Like the example I used of the Chiefs moving ahead of the Bills for McDuffie

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Do you think the Jets will trade pick 10 to the Bills to let them draft Rome Odunze or Brian Thomas???🤣

Absolutely no one wants to trade Spencer Brown…

A few posters have speculated using him as part of a package to trade up. It's not a clever idea, and I'd be surprised if it happens, but then again, I didn't think there was a chance Beane would trade Diggs and absorb a massive cap hit.

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

No, I meant if they trade up to 8 or 9 to move ahead of the Jets.  Like the example I used of the Chiefs moving ahead of the Bills for McDuffie

As I said above, I could envision a trade with Chicago because the Bears have only four picks in this draft and would likely be tempted by pick 60...that's really the only deal I could see with the Bills getting into the top 10...the problem is that I think other teams will also be targeting the Bears for a trade up... 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

So the Bills may draft a safety and may like the 2 WRs who should be late first, early second round picks?

 

Groundbreaking lol

[The Jokeman]

22 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I'm 100% with you here. I don't like the thought that Buffalo would be cool with taking a chance on later round guys. 
The whole "As long we have Josh it doesn't matter who our receivers are" thought flies in the face of the Josh and Diggs are better off without each other" hot take that I've been hearing. 
My point is. We need elite talent at WR just like all these other teams have (and what you're stating above). 

Who was the elite WR in KC last season? 

[Dr. Who]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Who was the elite WR in KC last season? 

[gonzo1105]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Interesting. I have heard New England really likes JJ and that he very well could be the guy at #3.

In my first mock I was incredibly close to putting him there at 3 but chose to play it safe 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, DJB said:

He doesn’t separate, he’s not the best YAC and his hands are suspect

 

Well this is just flat out not true. Even his critics would say those are his two best traits.

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

Who was the elite WR in KC last season? 

I understand what you're saying and I don't believe for a second that KC doesn't want that to change. We also don't have the luxury of a Reed, a Travis Kelsey or that defense that they had last year either but going back to my point. As great as Allen is, it's not cool to not have elite WRs unless we want to keep watching dropped balls and miscommunication. 

[Coach Tuesday]

5 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I understand what you're saying and I don't believe for a second that KC doesn't want that to change. We also don't have the luxury of a Reed, a Travis Kelsey or that defense that they had last year either but going back to my point. As great as Allen is, it's not cool to not have elite WRs unless we want to keep watching dropped balls and miscommunication. 

Stick to draft rumors please!!

[Goin Breakdown]

19 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Stick to draft rumors please!!

What?  So don't respond to a message directed at me on a message board that began based off the topic?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10116420-nfl-draft-rumors-bills-may-trade-down-not-be-aggressive-for-wr-after-diggs-trade

How about this. This would suck if I may add my opinion

Edited April 11 by Goin Breakdown

[Cray51]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

As I said above, I could envision a trade with Chicago because the Bears have only four picks in this draft and would likely be tempted by pick 60...that's really the only deal I could see with the Bills getting into the top 10...the problem is that I think other teams will also be targeting the Bears for a trade up... 

they will need to give up a PREMIUM amount of draft capital to move to 7/8/9.  Likely 2 firsts and maybe 2 seconds as well.  If Beane does want a top 3 receiver, he will need to give a haul

 

i wouldn’t put it past beane if Nabers is there at 8 to try to make a deal

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Yes, I too, do believe that Poyer is a potential cap casualty.

[boyst]

29 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

Yes, I too, do believe that Poyer is a potential cap casualty.

Huh?