CURTIS SAMUEL A BILL

[DrMaxPower]

Just now, 78thealltimegreat said:

Not saying I still don’t want a wr at 28 but Chop is really freaking good so Id be shocked if he’s there at 28

Yeah, depending which WR have gone, I'd be ok with it personally. Bit of a risk but high ceiling at a priority position.

 

I think the general concensus would heartily disagree. 

[harmonkillebrew]

Finally! Glad we didn't totally sit out the first week of higher paid FA starters.

Samuel will be a great addition for Allen. Huge upgrade over Harty.

 

Now go get a future #1, X receiver in Rd 1

[BarleyNY]

42 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Shakir more X then slot or the rookie we draft?  

 

Thinking we are drafting an X. We can work in the new X in this season as he earns it. Next season Samuel can take over Diggs’ spot. In the near term Shakir, Samuel and Diggs can be on the field together. 

[gordong]

I love we are adding speed....  at WR..   going to free up everyone else...  go get a burner at 28 and the offense has transformed to a fast team. 

 

 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Great signing, he should be a solid contributor, solid route runner and at some point ran a 4.31 40 but he is older now so maybe a 4.35 40?  Solid hands also, seriously I think this a much better pickup than Hollywood Brown, I have no idea why people were wanting that guy, talk about a 1 trick pony with injuries no less!

[That's No Moon]

22 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

So? And he makes 8 times what Shakir does and Shakir is already a better player.  
 

The development of Shakir and Kincaid proved to me that we no longer needed to waste FA on WRs from other organizations.  Instead we need to draft our own cost controlled talent.  
 

I know people here love the shinny new toy.  However at best Samuel is our 4th best receiving option (and maybe 5th behind Cook).  When the early draft pick outplays him and Samuel becomes our 6th or 7th best option, how will y’all feel about his $8 mill price tag when he’s seeing 3 balls a game?

 

 

1. You're presuming there is an early draft choice.

2. You're presuming they are instantly productive

 

[4merper4mer]

14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

This is just ridiculous.  This guy is his last 3 healthy seasons puts up about 70 catches a season with Washington’s and Carolina’s QB’s….but he will drop off of a table when he gets Allen at QB?  Allen is going to make him worse?

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__the_ Time is undefea_ed.

[ngbills]

13 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Davis could never get on the same page as Allen, and it led to key drops and turnovers.

 

We want guys who can catch the ball, and we signed two of them. One a huge target, and the other is very good when he gets the ball in his hands.

 

People complain no matter what. Allen needs help, but you get some and it's just more bitching and moaning

Not complaining. Solid addition to the room. We still need to hit on our WR in the first round. 

[QLBillsFan]

18 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

By the way, Samuel spent 75% of his time the last two years in the slot.  Last I looked that was where Shakir excels.  

By the way Shakir was drafted for his WR flexibility. He can play in or out and did effectively in college. BB has an open view of the team concept in his WR room. I’m guessing Brady the OC said “hey BB go get Samuel, and let’s put the incredibly versatile Shakir on the bench. “ 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

The last year they played together Edelman had 1100 yards and Amendola 240.  The best year they had together was Edelman 1050 yards to Amendola 650, but they had no decent boundary receivers.  
 

Nope, you’re wrong.

 

The last year they played together, Amendola had 61 catches and 650 yards…as a 32 year old.

 

They had no boundary WR’s but didn’t they have a tight end?  The name escapes me…maybe you can help me out with that.

[Rocky Landing]

4 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Not complaining. Solid addition to the room. We still need to hit on our WR in the first round. 

I would bet money that our first round pick will be defense. 

[GASabresIUFan]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Nope, you’re wrong.

 

The last year they played together, Amendola had 61 catches and 650 yards…as a 32 year old.

 

They had no boundary WR’s but didn’t they have a tight end?  The name escapes me…maybe you can help me out with that.

Edelman wasn’t on the team Amendola’s last year on NE in 2017.  Sorry Charlie check your facts. Also Gronk had 592 yards on 39 catches in 2013.  Again look up your stats. 

[DrMaxPower]

2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Is he?   The money does not say so.  In 7 years he has 22 TD's.  Davis has 27 in 4 years and has been a great playoff performer.  Does this guy block?   He just seems different to me, not a huge upgrade.  Davis dropped the ball more than we like, sure but are you telling me this guy has no warts?

 

Yeah, the opinions of the fan base don't line up with that of the leagues decision makers.

 

People were hyper critical of Davis. It was excessive. He was a decent #2 wr and vastly outplayed his draft slot. He wasn't a top shelf #2 (aka 1b) but he wasn't paid or drafted as one.

 

I like the signing and am good with Davis moving on. Not sure it's the upgrade many think. That comes from the draft.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

He’s not even that. He is a 75% slot guy who plays outside some, but more often in the backfield.  

Dude, he can be moved around.  He is a versatile player.

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Huge upgrade over Gabe Dropavis.  Sign a S and go BPA in the first and 2nd. 

We still need to hit on many of the 11 draft picks so that we can get younger faster.  2024 will be the last year of Diggs and Miller.   We will be looking to also get replacements for them this year.

[ngbills]

5 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I would bet money that our first round pick will be defense. 

Yeah we can just talk about needing a wr for the next 5-10 years and then Draft one after Josh is done. 

[Warcodered]

As usual this comes out of nowhere, they never know what Beane is doing.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Edelman wasn’t on the team Amendola’s last year on NE in 2017.  Sorry Charlie check your facts. Also Gronk had 592 yards on 39 catches in 2013.  Again look up your stats. 

Edelman played his entire career with the Pats.  He was with the Pats from 2009-2020.  2017 was his injured year and that doesn’t mean he wasn’t on the team.

 

What did Gronk do the other years when he wasn’t injured?  He only played 6 games lol.  

[Aussie Joe]

20 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

The last year they played together Edelman had 1100 yards and Amendola 240.  The best year they had together was Edelman 1050 yards to Amendola 650, but they had no decent boundary receivers.  
 

They win the SB those years ?

 

Is a lot of your anger over this move because you wanted them to draft two guys ? They still might 

Edited March 15 by Aussie Joe

[GASabresIUFan]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Dude, he can be moved around.  He is a versatile player.

Lol.  He’s a slot receiver.  He had 7 carries last year. 7!  
 

I’d love this signing if we didn’t have a better player already in slot.  Had Beane signed someone like Samuel when Beasley left I’d be happy as anyone else here, but Shakir has developed into a very good player, who was one our best offensive players down the stretch last season.  To me this is just over priced depth with money that would be better spent elsewhere.

 

 

[ngbills]

13 minutes ago, DrMaxPower said:

 

Yeah, the opinions of the fan base don't line up with that of the leagues decision makers.

 

People were hyper critical of Davis. It was excessive. He was a decent #2 wr and vastly outplayed his draft slot. He wasn't a top shelf #2 (aka 1b) but he wasn't paid or drafted as one.

 

I like the signing and am good with Davis moving on. Not sure it's the upgrade many think. That comes from the draft.

 

 

I look at this as an upgrade over Harty. We know need our 1st round pick to upgrade Davis. 

[boyst]

49 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Pretty much the same size as Diggs, and runs a 4.39.  But he isn't a downfield threat?

Not strong enough to break man press or at the line will hamper that speed where in the NFL DB's are just as fast. His smaller stature, his twitch, his everything... I don't want him outside. I'd put him inside more to a slot. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

Not strong enough to break man press or at the line will hamper that speed where in the NFL DB's are just as fast. His smaller stature, his twitch, his everything... I don't want him outside. I'd put him inside more to a slot. 

Then you are saying Diggs shouldn't be outside. Same size and faster than Diggs.

 

Sorry the narrative doesn't hold water. 

Edited March 15 by SoonerBillsFan

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

This sounds like a glorified Harty signing to me

then do some more research

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

I do believe Samuel had his best season as a pro under Joe Brady. 

Receiving threat who can also do the orbit motions and jet sweeps and bubble screens. Brings YAC ability.

Somehow feels like he's been in the league forever, but still just 27 years old.

With Diggs, Samuel, Shakir, and Hollins, this is certainly starting to look more like a legitimate NFL receiver room. The presence of Samuel and Hollins should make life easier for the rookie they hopefully spend a high pick on, who won't have to be counted on to be THE GUY and can ease his way in behind the vets.

If the Bills DO spend a high pick on a rookie receiver -- and I think we ALL hope they do -- and Samuel becomes a de facto WR3/4, then I'll like the move even more.

It's a nice start and replacement for Davis, but I still want a 1st round wr and another in the 4th or 5th.  Diggs will not be around forever.

[Solomon Grundy]

36 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Thinking we are drafting an X. We can work in the new X in this season as he earns it. Next season Samuel can take over Diggs’ spot. In the near term Shakir, Samuel and Diggs can be on the field together. 

I'm thinking Keon Coleman is Beane's guy

[GASabresIUFan]

15 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

They win the SB those years ?

 

Is a lot of your anger over this move because you wanted them to draft two guys ? They still might 

My anger is about spending limited cap $ on a redundant asset.  Had he spent $8 mill on a boundary receiver who could stretch the field, I might be disappointed we weren’t going young, but I’d be glad we filled an obvious roster hole.  
 

Samuel is also not as good as the people here think he is.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Li'l' Donte being the last one.....  Let's hope Samuel is a better football player and way less of an #######.

 

Me too... I honestly thought we'd draft Dobbins, but after his terrible luck I don't feel nearly as bad. Always happy to get the best fit FIRST, regardless of university.

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Lol.  He’s a slot receiver.  He had 7 carries last year. 7!  
 

I’d love this signing if we didn’t have a better player already in slot.  Had Beane signed someone like Samuel when Beasley left I’d be happy as anyone else here, but Shakir has developed into a very good player, who was one our best offensive players down the stretch last season.  To me this is just over priced depth with money that would be better spent elsewhere.

 

 

 

He also moves to the outside as well.  Johan Dotson plays a lot of slot in Washington too.  

Does versatile mean just handoffs or something?

 

And Khalil Shakir's last 6 games:

17 catches

Roughly 240 yards

20 targets

0 TD's

 

Which is:

2.8 catches per game

40 yards per game

3.33 targets per game

0 TD's per game.  

 

Josh Allen throwing to him.

 

If Shakir was our best offensive weapon down the stretch, we definitely need more help in that role.

[rajinka]

7 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

My anger is about spending limited cap $ on a redundant asset.  Had he spent $8 mill on a boundary receiver who could stretch the field, I might be disappointed we weren’t going young, but I’d be glad we filled an obvious roster hole.  
 

Samuel is also not as good as the people here think he is.

So then is he better then what we have?  Better then Davis who had like 3 catches over a 4 game stretch?  

[Bruffalo]

Anyone who isn’t happy with this signing probably only watches Bills games.

 

Samuel has produced with straight up trash at QB. Davis has a better statline, but only because he has a great game every 4th game. Samuel is way more consistent.

 

We raised the floor at WR2 but we didn’t box ourselves into a “Don’t draft a WR because we invested too much in FA”

 

[Royale with Cheese]

 

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Where are all the people who should be upset we signed a slot WR? Or who think WRs only operate from the slot or only operate outside?

 

Also, I feel these lists of our healthy fleet of pass catchers are sleeping on Knox.

Give them time, they'll crawl out of the sewers eventually.

[GASabresIUFan]

1 minute ago, rajinka said:

So then is he better then what we have?  Better then Davis who had like 3 catches over a 4 game stretch?  

No he’s not.  Shakir is the slot receiver and is already a better player than Samuel.  We don’t have the necessary boundary WR to replace Davis and that is the just one of the problems with signing Samuel.  

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, appoo said:

That's a good one but McConkey play the outside more naturally - and would be an excellent late RD1 pick up

i'm a big proponent of McConkey but don;t think they're taking him.  Wasn't someoen they et with at the combine, though they did meet with him at the sniron bowl, Let's see if they bring him in for a 30 visit

[daz28]

3 hours ago, Never NEVER Give-up said:

Per PFF:

Samuel was an efficient target in Eric Bienemy’s Washington offense that spread the ball around more than any team in the NFL, hauling in just shy of 73% of passes thrown his way with just four drops on 85 targets in 2023. Samuel was used as a ball carrier in 2023 like he was in 2022 and previous seasons dating back to his Ohio State days. His Swiss Army knife skill set shows up with good change of direction in space and start-stop ability that is still above average at this stage of his career.

Beane walkin like he talk it.  Giving Brady a versatile weapon.

[LEBills]

I really wanted to add him in 2021 before he signed with Washington. He really balled out his last season in Carolina, leading the league in reception percentage that year and being a beast on third down. I’m excited they gave Joe Brady someone he had a lot of success with who will be good on those quick screens.

 

My fear is that the Bills will see this as being good enough at the WR position and forego it early in the draft. We are one of two teams - the other being the Bucs who had Mike Evans and Godwin - who have not drafted a WR in the first three rounds in the past 5 years.

 

I still really hope we draft a WR at 28. Whether the rook is WR2 and Samuel is WR 3 or 4 or vice versa this year, our WR room as a whole will be much more talented and prepared for next year when Diggs will likely be gone.

 

So in short, love we got Josh this weapon and let’s keep it going in the draft Beane!!!!

Edited March 15 by LEBills

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I got this guy confused with Deebo Samuel.

 

Who the hell is Curtis Samuel ?

Does anyone here watch football?

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

No he’s not.  Shakir is the slot receiver and is already a better player than Samuel.  We don’t have the necessary boundary WR to replace Davis and that is the just one of the problems with signing Samuel.  

 

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He also moves to the outside as well.  Johan Dotson plays a lot of slot in Washington too.  

Does versatile mean just handoffs or something?

 

And Khalil Shakir's last 6 games:

17 catches

Roughly 240 yards

20 targets

0 TD's

 

Which is:

2.8 catches per game

40 yards per game

3.33 targets per game

0 TD's per game.  

 

Josh Allen throwing to him.

 

If Shakir was our best offensive weapon down the stretch, we definitely need more help in that role.

 

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Does this mean Beane won't draft a WR in round 1? 

 

I hope not. I still want a WR round 1. But the investment here makes me wonder if he goes DT or DE or Safety instead. Of course it could mean he only drafts 1 WR & doesn't pick up a second WR later in the draft.