Big Turk Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) Wow...big upgrade from Davis...Bills going to be dangerous as hell next year offensively...add a WR in round 1 now... It's a 3 year $24 million deal that could go up to $30 million with incentives...$15 million guaranteed... Samuel is the definition of burner...he runs a 4.31 40, likely filling the John Brown role for the Bills that they have been missing. Edited March 14 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said: Im not advocating for against it but I would now make the argument they are going to go DL in round one and draft a WR in round 2. Beane is also the type of hyperactive guy who is angry he didn’t get the 3rd he was expecting and trades out of round 1, gets it back, takes someone like Coleman or Legette or whomever and then trades up with one of the 4ths from 60 to get a DT like Braden Fiske It could play out that way. I'd still rather get Thomas if he somehow falls within trade range, or Mitchell, even if that means not trading back to add a pick. But the trade back and grab Legette or Coleman is a plausible strategy, and makes sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 This is the exact guy I kept naming as who I thought Beane would sign. Fair deal too. I think he’s going to be a good addition and allows the team to not have to lean too hard on the rookie as well. Im even more convinced Beane is in the hunt for a WR1 Diggs replacement in the draft now and not just a WR2 who might become a WR1. So I think this increases the odds Beane is aggressive come the draft to go get his guy. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Motorin' said: This is Beane giving Allen more options to beat man coverage. Huge upgrade from Deonte Harty. this matches with them specifically saying “explosive” multiple times Edited March 14 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 And that's exactly the ginormous hole the offense was missing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I’m still hoping the Bills draft a WR in the first or second round. Hopefully the rookie WR can learn from Diggs and Samuel. I’ll be very disappointed if the Bills don’t use either one of their top 2 draft picks on a WR and go defense on both. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Whats Fiske going to do ? Play 25 percent of the snaps behind Oliver ? More of a need at Edge in my view … I disagree we have 3 DEs in our rotation. We will probably take one in the draft or sign a vet at some point at DE but they literally like to play 8 lineman and we only have Oliver and Jones at DT. We literally have nothing behind them and historically Beane hasn’t taken 1 NT in the draft yet. I’m not saying Fiske in particular but someone on the DL whether DT or DE but I’m not sure there is a DE worthy of a mid 2nd rounder. I think guys like Chop Robinson and Darius Robinson are going to get pushed up the board and would have to take in round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Samuel can actually uncover within the first 5-10 yards; Gabe can’t. He is a solid #2. Opens up rd 1 if an edge falls. I wouldnt rule out Johns Powers either but would hate it then like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: This is the exact guy I kept naming as who I thought Beane would sign. Fair deal too. I think he’s going to be a good addition and allows the team to not have to lean too hard on the rookie as well. Im even more convinced Beane is in the hunt for a WR1 Diggs replacement in the draft now and not just a WR2 who might become a WR1. So I think this increases the odds Beane is aggressive come the draft to go get his guy. Dude is a speed demon...4.31 40 time...fills the John Brown role for us we have sorely missed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, bobobonators said: I think a lot of ppl seem to overlook this fact. I fully expect Kincaid to get a lions share of the targets next season. Kincaid Diggs Samuel sprinkle in Shakir and Knox. id take a flyer on a rookie WR with insane physical skills but some red flags in the 3rd or 4th rd. I still wouldn't mind taking a WR at pick 28 or 60. I kind of look at Samuel as replacing Gabe (I think Samuel is a better fit but for a conservative estimate I will assume similar production) and while I think a top 6 passing target options for Josh being Diggs, Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel, Knox, and Cook is solid but I still think they may need more juice at WR both short and long term. It's not as pressing a short term need and they are no longer in a position where they have to take a WR fairly high up. I mainly see the need as adding some more pop and depth short term but also having a quality player there to hopefully take over for Diggs as he inevetiably declines. But certainly having more flexiblity in the draft is a positive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Wow...big upgrade from Davis...Bills going to be dangerous as hell next year offensively...add a WR in round 1 now... It's a 3 year $24 million deal that could go up to $30 million with incentives...$15 million guaranteed... Samuel is the definition of burner...he runs a 4.31 40, likely filling the John Brown role for the Bills that they have been missing. Very different player from John Brown. More in the mold of a Deebo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, goldenboy81 said: Can't believe they signed a guy I really wanted. Bill's needed speed and hands,they got both And RAC. Probably the best RAC receiver Allen has ever had. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 22 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: Think this allows Bills to take BPA at 28 from WR, S, DT 🤷🏻♂️.. Safety at 28 and I will smash my tv. 1 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 42 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: You do know he ran a 4.31 right? Yes. But he isn't a vertial receiver really. He is an intermediate guy who offers YAC possibility and makes guys miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Very different player from John Brown. More in the mold of a Deebo. Different but he can get down field quickly too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Ok I'm tripping. My uncle just told me we just signed Renfrow!?! I see nothing on here stating that lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, SCBills said: Safety at 28 and I will smash my tv. There isn’t a Safety in this draft outside of DeJean who I would draft at 60 let alone 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 42 minutes ago, Brandon said: So Samuel is more of a slot receiver in the Cole Beasley role? He is more a slot who gives you some flanker flex can play some of that Z receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 This is an elite specialization pick up from Beane. This is PERFECTION. Y'all realize what this going to do for Diggs and whomever the Bills pick in the draft to replace Gabe? Now the Bills can threaten the safeties in multiple ways to open up the intermediate and short, or even isolate corners and safeties to make deep routes more dangerous 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, SCBills said: Safety at 28 and I will smash my tv. 😂 it’s unlikely that it’s enough value to your point. WR, DT or bpa.. just saying we don’t have to go WR at 1.. maybe Legette in 2nd. Although adding Worthy with that speed and suddenly our receiving core looks fine👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, GunnerBill said: Yes. But he isn't a vertial receiver really. He is an intermediate guy who offers YAC possibility and makes guys miss. If Beane goes with an early outside WR (who won't be getting 80% of snaps to start) how do you see using Diggs/Samuel and Shakir together? I'm not saying full time, just in packages. I think Shakir and Samuel on one side with Diggs on the other could be a threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said: I disagree we have 3 DEs in our rotation. We will probably take one in the draft or sign a vet at some point at DE but they literally like to play 8 lineman and we only have Oliver and Jones at DT. We literally have nothing behind them and historically Beane hasn’t taken 1 NT in the draft yet. I’m not saying Fiske in particular but someone on the DL whether DT or DE but I’m not sure there is a DE worthy of a mid 2nd rounder. I think guys like Chop Robinson and Darius Robinson are going to get pushed up the board and would have to take in round 1 In mocks if I go Wr at 28 I like the interior Dline choices at 60. Possibly pick between Jenkins, Fiske and Im very intrigued by Ruke Orhorhoro. Orhorhoro reminds me of Michael Bennett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 We got the wrong Samuel. Y'all will be hating this signing by mid-season. He was supposed to be able to stretch the field when he came our of college, but all he is a mediocre version of Diggs who can run a jet sweep occasionally. This is a waste of 15 million. I was all onboard with Beane finally make this team younger and cheaper, but instead he wastes money on two exceedingly mediocre WRs. 1 2 3 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 5 minutes ago, appoo said: This is an elite specialization pick up from Beane. This is PERFECTION. Y'all realize what this going to do for Diggs and whomever the Bills pick in the draft to replace Gabe? Now the Bills can threaten the safeties in multiple ways to open up the intermediate and short, or even isolate corners and safeties to make deep routes more dangerous And open up space for Kincaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Different but he can get down field quickly too Definitely. He also has more upside than we’ve seen. I think he could have career years in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Turk Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, GASabresIUFan said: We got the wrong Samuel. Y'all will be hating this signing by mid-season. He was supposed to be able to stretch the field when he came our of college, but all he is a mediocre version of Diggs who can run a jet sweep occasionally. This is a waste of 15 million. I was all onboard with Beane finally make this team younger and cheaper, but instead he wastes money on two exceedingly mediocre WRs. He never played with anyone like Allen before. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 16 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: I disagree we have 3 DEs in our rotation. We will probably take one in the draft or sign a vet at some point at DE but they literally like to play 8 lineman and we only have Oliver and Jones at DT. We literally have nothing behind them and historically Beane hasn’t taken 1 NT in the draft yet. I’m not saying Fiske in particular but someone on the DL whether DT or DE but I’m not sure there is a DE worthy of a mid 2nd rounder. I think guys like Chop Robinson and Darius Robinson are going to get pushed up the board and would have to take in round 1 I would consider Fiske at 60… hold the trade up,,, I guess it’s how you want to use all those draft picks which are heavy Day three and only 1 on Day 2…i think OL ( this is a deep year for that class), DE , a second WR and even S at the moment ( although I still expect a decent FA signing) … are in play day 2 I know they have nothing behind them at DL … but you have the two main guys… and a likelihood of getting another cheap guy in FA … and also draft 1 or even 2 Day 3 guys … DE is still a major need … Im going to think Miller is done until I see otherwise … even if he can get by next year …he is gone come 2025 … also …most Day 2 DEs need a year to get up to speed…particularly the ones the Bills pick… Edited March 14 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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78thealltimegreat Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just saw this holy moly Curtis Samuel is the ideal number 2 kinda receiver great signing by Mr Beane. Just need a vet for the secondary now and the bills can truly go BPA in the draft. I am thrilled by this Diggs, Samuel, Shakir, Hollins,Kincaid,Knox is damn good and with the rumor KC really wanted him as well him not being in KC is a very good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, Mat68 said: In mocks if I go Wr at 28 I like the interior Dline choices at 60. Possibly pick between Jenkins, Fiske and Im very intrigued by Ruke Orhorhoro. Orhorhoro reminds me of Michael Bennett. I believe that Fiske goes higher than 60. Just too impressive tape and testing to get that far down. He legit could go early round 2 though that might be high. i don’t disagree with you but if the hope is to get an edge difference maker you need to take one at 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, Big Turk said: He never played with anyone like Allen before. he can be similar to Deebo Samuel in a good offense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I hope all of you are ready for KC to sign Hollywood Brown because that is 100% gonna happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I got this guy confused with Deebo Samuel. Who the hell is Curtis Samuel ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: We got the wrong Samuel. Y'all will be hating this signing by mid-season. He was supposed to be able to stretch the field when he came our of college, but all he is a mediocre version of Diggs who can run a jet sweep occasionally. This is a waste of 15 million. I was all onboard with Beane finally make this team younger and cheaper, but instead he wastes money on two exceedingly mediocre WRs. Wow not consistent with Samuels production on teams with average QB play at best… so agree to disagree based on the data that is being shared. He’s an underneath guy who gets open and has YAC. Hollins fills the 4/5 role and that is ok by me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 In today's NFL, I don't know that big receivers on the outside is still a necessity. With that being said, if we do draft a receiver in the first round, I do worry about their being too many mouths to feed. As it stands right now, Diggs, Knox, Kincaid, Samuel, and Shakir. Add in a 1st round pick, while you may want him to develop and learn, that's still a probably 2 of those guys on the bench at any given time. QB, 5 Lineman, Cook = 7/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, Low Positive said: I hope all of you are ready for KC to sign Hollywood Brown because that is 100% gonna happen. seems likely. I expected they’d get 1 of Mooney Samuel Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: We got the wrong Samuel. Y'all will be hating this signing by mid-season. He was supposed to be able to stretch the field when he came our of college, but all he is a mediocre version of Diggs who can run a jet sweep occasionally. This is a waste of 15 million. I was all onboard with Beane finally make this team younger and cheaper, but instead he wastes money on two exceedingly mediocre WRs. I watched him since his Ohio State days he’s waaaaay better then what the bills had last year. This is a terrific pickup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, papazoid said: i'm stunned he has 4.31 speed grand slam Also he is field fast - look at how quickly he eats up cushion...and tremendous hands. Turn down the volume if you don't like the music in the video. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 To be honest he's probably not the best fit for our needs but at the end of the day it's another weapon for Josh so I like the signing. He'll separate much better than Gabe and costs a lot less. Just add a vertical threat in the draft and we're looking good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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