SCBills Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Brutal for any trade up thoughts Given the idea we were likely going to trade around the board, this decision by the NFL basically takes away a draft pick from us. It’s going to take two early day 3 picks to even get back to the arbitrary draft pick value they decided, for whatever reason, to not give us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 This sucks. Picking 30+ spots later really hurts. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Did any other teams have lower picks than expected, or just the Bills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 SUPER BOWL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 It's mystifying. Edmunds was the fourth highest-paid LB last year and received the fifth biggest contract in FA in 2023. Is it all based on position? If so, LB is below D-line, o-line, WR, and QB in terms of AAV paid. The fact that the Bengals only got sixths for losing two top-level safeties suggestions that positional worth might be a factor. 1 minute ago, MJS said: Did any other teams have lower picks than expected, or just the Bills? Bengals got only sixths for the two very good safeties they lost. I am starting to think that overall positional value plays a role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Would really like to hear beane comment on this. He’s prolly pretty pissed right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Scratch trading up in the first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I’m telling ya, it’s the “smoking man” y’all just think it’s TV, but its real homey…, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said: Scratch trading up in the first. Depends on how high they want to move up. Could throw in next year's 3rd...less valuable but still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 It's ridiculous that this isn't known way sooner. Teams are making plans, signing free agents, etc, based on incomplete info that could easily be provided earlier. The Bills now have a late 1st round pick, a late 2nd round pick, and nine picks that are essentially 5th round or later (the 4th rounders are picks #129 and #133), basically the equivalent of picking at the top of the 5th. This is in a draft that most experts say is top heavy and falls off a cliff after the first three rounds. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 This sucks! Consider trading down from the first into the second. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Are there any players we could move for a 3rd? Rasul? Elam? Knox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 BS. Of course this happens to the Bills. Most unprecedented or impossible things do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, MJS said: What's the formula for determining these, anyway? Ancient Chinese secret 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 51 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Now I would really like Beane to trade down in Round 1 if possible, even to the top of Round 2 if needed. The realistic WR targets there - Coleman, Franklin, Legette - are likely still going to be available a few picks later. Get a 3rd rounder if at all possible. Also with all of these day 3 picks in our bag I would actually use all of them, don't be tempted to trade them away to move up the board. We need the bottom of our roster to get a lot cheaper and start maximizing the value of day 3 rookie contracts. If we plan it right we will be able to make one splash signing in FA because we won't have all our money tied up in overpaid rotational/depth players. This makes sense especially if the Bills are targeting WR with their first pick. They could drop down a few slots, recoup a 3rd round pick and still have a nice selection of WR targets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 NFL better explain how they down graded it to a 4th since it was given to be a 3rd (prior precedent) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Completely arbitrary process is completely arbitrary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Just now, Nitro said: NFL better explain how they down graded it to a 4th since it was given to be a 3rd (prior precedent) could an appeal and amendment be possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Depends on how high they want to move up. Could throw in next year's 3rd...less valuable but still Well, you are right that they could. I don’t think that would be smart business. With the state of the defense, they will probably be picking earlier in each round next year. I would not trade that away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 4 minutes ago, Blank Stare said: BS. Of course this happens to the Bills. Most unprecedented or impossible things do. It's the home game in London experiment part 2. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 4 minutes ago, jkeerie said: This makes sense especially if the Bills are targeting WR with their first pick. They could drop down a few slots, recoup a 3rd round pick and still have a nice selection of WR targets. I’m ok with a move down, but it won’t recoup a 3rd unless they move down quite a ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 What's the formula that got the 49'ers a 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th round pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Just now, Kaenon said: What's the formula that got the 49'ers a 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th round pick? It's unspeakable 🤐 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 This fan base is obsessed with comp picks lol What are the odds the guy we take with it matters? Slim to none. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 4 minutes ago, Kaenon said: What's the formula that got the 49'ers a 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th round pick? 3rd - Demeco Ryans 4th - Jimmy Garoppolo The some lower value guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: This fan base is obsessed with comp picks lol What are the odds the guy we take with it matters? Slim to none. A 3rd round comp pick is not negligible. Sure as hell isn't slim to none. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: This fan base is obsessed with comp picks lol What are the odds the guy we take with it matters? Slim to none. Like Brown and Bernard who were picked at the end of the third .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeavercreekBillsFan Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 3rd - Demeco Ryans 4th - Jimmy Garoppolo The some lower value guys Don’t forget demeco Ryan’s too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 32 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: This is false. The NFL awarded 9 third-round comp picks in 2022. https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-awards-39-compensatory-2022-nfl-draft-picks-to-16-teams There were 8 last year too. Maybe when we aim to get a 3rd next time we'll let a WR walk. Honestly, I won't be shocked if Gabe Davis nets us a fourth given that he plays a premium dollar position. Yea looking at previous years and the fact the other pick that was bumped down from an expected 3rd was the Jimmy G pick it must be playing time related. Where picks originally slot is based on market value so fluctuates year to year (the percentile of the total market the deal falls into). I thought they set the numbers on that but then bounced people down based on hires. But last year doesn't look consistent with that. @HappyDays must be right it is about missed playing time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Perhaps Beane clears extra room to sign a UFA at DT / S? Positions that we were likely targeting in the 3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 15 minutes ago, Kaenon said: What's the formula that got the 49'ers a 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th round pick? They are the new Patriots*? 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 10 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: A 3rd round comp pick is not negligible. Sure as hell isn't slim to none. Yet another poster is saying the 4th rounders are really 5th rounders and the draft drops off after the 3rd lol picks are lottery tickets and they lost 30 spots, not the end of the world and certainly shouldn’t alter Bean’s final destination, maybe just how he gets there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeavercreekBillsFan Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Udubalum07 said: Obviously San Fran has this figured out a lot better than the bills. They have a 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th. This. I catch ***** for repeating on here how great the 49ers front office is. No one is close. I’m not saying they only hire minority coordinators just to get them hired elsewhere for comp picks.. but I’m also not saying they don’t do that. They have the best roster in football and they’re LOADED with picks. Don’t forget them fleecing Dallas by getting a 4th rounder for Trey Lance, a guy who will never take a snap for them outside of a Dak injury. O line help, another CB and a DL opposite Bosa is all they need and they’ve got lots of chances in this draft to hit on those spots plus trade up if they want. Not to mention they always make big moves in free agency so I fully expect them to make a big move here before the draft too. There’s a reason they are the favorites to win it all again next season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 The 49ers have mastered the art of losing guys…filling guys in…having a great regular season cause of a weak conference and then choking at some point in the playoffs…rinse and repeat. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Just now, 78thealltimegreat said: The 49ers have mastered the art of losing guys…filling guys in…having a great regular season cause of a weak conference and then choking at some point in the playoffs…rinse and repeat. except it seems like they lose NONE of their many quality players. I don’t understand how this works. Niners traded for CMC because they knew the league would stockpile picks back to them. Disgraceful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, julian said: Yet another poster is saying the 4th rounders are really 5th rounders and the draft drops off after the 3rd lol picks are lottery tickets and they lost 30 spots, not the end of the world and certainly shouldn’t alter Bean’s final destination, maybe just how he gets there. I was responding to the fella who said comp picks have slim to none chance of contributing. Naturally, a 4th round comp can make a difference, but what folks are unhappy about is losing the 3rd round comp, and in those terms, the individual that was dismissive of them was essentially saying it's no big deal, because comp picks in general don't matter. Anyway, if you find that humorous, have at it. Seems to me the loss of a day 2 pick, even at the end of the third round, makes it harder for Beane to maneuver. The real blow is that folks were led to believe the formula was sufficiently understood, and that the 3rd was a safe assumption. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: except it seems like they lose NONE of their many quality players. I don’t understand how this works. Niners traded for CMC because they knew the league would stockpile picks back to them. Disgraceful. I mean it is not a conspiracy it is the rules. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Call Joe Schoen and ask what player he wants for a 3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 53 minutes ago, Comebackkid said: i just got out of the bathroom..that was more exciting than hiring Trubisky Maybe you are not doing it right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I mean it is not a conspiracy it is the rules. then why did every mock and publication seemingly have us at pick 99? this comp pick “formula” should happen within weeks of the season ending Edited March 8 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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