Ryan Bates traded

[HurlyBurly51]

8 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Sure. Anything can happen. But that is ignoring the actual odds of success. This is not a typical draft. The players staying in college for NIL money has gutted this class. Pick 143 in 2024 is not the same as pick 143 in 2020 or 2028. That’s my point. 

I get the point.  And I still think the point is we won’t know for years whether this pick turned out to be valuable or not, so I wouldn’t go around stating definitively this pick has very little value.  Regardless of NIL they’re not cancelling day 3 of the draft.

[SCBills]

This is amazing. 
 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Current Draft Capital, including forecasted Comp pick for Edmunds, and their Modern Trade Chart Value:

 

Round 1 - 28 (209)
Round 2 - 60 (88)
Round 3 - 99 (36)
Round 4 - 129 (18)
Round 5 - 143 (14)
Round 5 - 159 (10)
Round 5 - 162 (10)
Round 6 - 192 (6)
Round 6 - 198 (5)
Round 6 - 206 (4)
Round 7 - 246 (1)

 

Lots of capital for movement around, especially on Day 3. No chance we use all of these picks.

I like Douglas, but would you look to get a 3rd back for him?  Or even Rasul + a 4th and 6th for a 2nd? For a team that really wants a starting CB on a reasonable $ 

[John from Riverside]

58 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Ahh the ole McDermott philosophy of someone being too valuable to let play, gotta love it.   I don’t like seeing him go, but if doofus won’t play him, you can’t pay him.

Do you ever have anything good to say ever

[BillsFanForever19]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Link?

 

For the chart or confirmation that it's 143? Here's the chart. Chicago only has 1 pick in Round 5:

 

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp

[GASabresIUFan]

Bates played 35 snaps on offense (3.01%) and only 79 snaps on ST (18.37%).  Yes, it's unlikely we'll stay as healthy next season as we did this past season on the OLine, but Bates is a luxury we could no longer afford.  

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

For the chart or confirmation that it's 143? Here's the chart. Chicago only has 1 pick in Round 5:

 

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp

this is a solid trade! 

[John from Riverside]

54 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

And play who at guard? Morse is glass at this point and gets easily bull rushed by quality DTs, which we see in the playoffs

 

 

Edward is still in play
And I think they really like Alec Anderson

[GASabresIUFan]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

For the chart or confirmation that it's 143? Here's the chart. Chicago only has 1 pick in Round 5:

 

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp

No, I know Chicago's only 5th is 143.  I was looking for a link to the draft chart.  I use a different one and wanted to see how they compare.  Thanks

Edited March 5 by GASabresIUFan

[Mango]

20 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Splitting hairs but actually $1.433M in space saved because we're doing it before March 15. Also we avoid having to take on a $2.567M dead cap hit in 2025 when we inevitably would have released him next offseason.

 

Still I don't think this has anything to do with cap space. Ryan Poles just weirdly has a hard on for Ryan Bates so we are happily accepting his overpay.

I’m an idiot and misread it. Thanks for the correction. 

[BillsFanForever19]

7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I like Douglas, but would you look to get a 3rd back for him?  Or even Rasul + a 4th and 6th for a 2nd? For a team that really wants a starting CB on a reasonable $ 

 

We're not getting a 3rd for him. We paid a 3rd for Douglas last season, but we also got a 5th in return. And that was Midseason.

I like Douglas too and I figured Tre was the odd man out. But listening to Beane talk about him at the presser, it does seem to me that Douglas isn't long for the team and Tre is staying. My guess is he or his agent aren't interested in not testing the market next season and/or we're not interested in doing something long term with Tre and Benford here.

 

Maybe a late 4th or another high 5th? Hard to move guys on 1 year deals.

 

4 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

No, I know Chicago's only 5th is 143.  I was looking for a link to the draft chart.  I use a different one and wanted to see how they compare.  Thanks

 

Yeah, you probably use the old Jimmy Johnson one. The modern Rich Hill model reflects current deals more accurately.

Edited March 5 by BillsFanForever19

[John from Riverside]

11 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

Feels like Beane kinda bungled this going back to 2022. Should've given a higher rd tender to Bates, but didn't. Then when the Bears offer sheeted him we matched it. We paid a lot for 2 seasons from a backup O-line and now we're eating 4mm deadcap for a depth guy. At least we got a 5th rd pick I guess. 

If we took on injuries on the line, we would be very thankful that being actually did this and gave us a quality back up stop bitching

[MiracleAtRich1393]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Thats the biggest issue when you play cap games, which the Bills will be doing. Depth gets thinner.

 

Bills were extremely lucky health wise on the OL last year. It won’t happen again.

Yep this is obviously the year the IOL goes down FMLLL I'd rather have a high quality versatile IOL depth piece that knows our system inside & out than another rotational DE

[DCofNC]

15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Do you ever have anything good to say ever

About McD? Nah, not really.  

[transplantbillsfan]

This is an awesome move! He was a backup and we were overpaying for him. Now we clear up over $3m in CAP space for a guy who played possibly a handful of snaps last season and no meaningful ones. As Sal Capacio said, Alec Anderson fills a similar role, has a full year in the system and is millions cheaper.

 

I definitely think this ups the potential for a Center in the first few rounds, but with 11 picks now I think it would be negligence if we didn't draft a center.

 

This draft is going to be super interesting. I've heard from some of the experts that this is a very top heavy draft in the sense that after rounds 3 or 4 the talent drops off a cliff. I expect Buffalo to make 5-7 picks in the first 4 rounds. I hope they all hit!

 

Gonna be a fun draft!

[Hsker4life]

Early 5th rounder for a dude who played 30 snaps last year? I’m okay with this.

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

He's worth more than a 5th

A backup lineman is most definitely not worth more than a 5th

[HurlyBurly51]

20 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

But listening to Beane talk about him at the presser, it does seem to me that Douglas isn't long for the team 

What exactly did you hear him say to make you think this?!  Because he said what he “brought” to the defense, instead of what he “brings”?  I’ve seen people running with that person’s interpretation, which is quite a stretch imo.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

The Buffalo Bills are probably going to use the Chicago Bears pick as draft capital to move up in the draft. So it’s a good trade for the Bills in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[st pete gogolak]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Its a cap move. too much cap hit for a backup. 

True, but I also think that they do like Anderson.

[Warriorspikes51]

This cleared 5.4 mil in cap for next year? Nice

[78thealltimegreat]

Two things at work… one someone in the Bills draft room really wants a guy who might not be there at 28 and they have the ammo to go get them and I believe that player is Adoni Mitchell. 

Second this is a very very deep oline class so if they want to add a couple guys in the middle rounds it’s very easy to do with 11 draft picks. 

Edited March 5 by 78thealltimegreat

[mannc]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

He's worth more than a 5th

Apparently he’s not.

[CaptnCoke11]

37 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I like Douglas, but would you look to get a 3rd back for him?  Or even Rasul + a 4th and 6th for a 2nd? For a team that really wants a starting CB on a reasonable $ 

No

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Two things at work… one someone in the Bills draft room really wants a guy who might not be there at 28 and they have the ammo to go get them and I believe that player is Adoni Mitchell. 

Second this is a very very deep oline class so if they want to add a couple guys in the middle rounds it’s merry easy to do with 11 draft picks. 

I’ll guess Xavier Legette based on Special Teams background, work ethic and physical freak traits

 

or Brian Thomas Jr if we’re willing to trade up enough

Edited March 5 by Warriorspikes51

[RyanC883]

really strange. We now need to draft a center.  Morse stayed healthy last year but we need a backup, and also Morse is likely a year or two likely away from retirement (or unfortunately a bad hit away). 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

“I’m a bleeping chicken wing!” Will go down in legend. 

[RyanC883]

6 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Two things at work… one someone in the Bills draft room really wants a guy who might not be there at 28 and they have the ammo to go get them and I believe that player is Adoni Mitchell. 

Second this is a very very deep oline class so if they want to add a couple guys in the middle rounds it’s very easy to do with 11 draft picks. 

 

what makes you think Mitchell?  Just curious.  

5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I’ll guess Xavier Legette based on Special Teams background, work ethic and physical freak traits

 

or Brian Thomas Jr if we’re willing to trade up enough

 

would love Thomas Jr.  Don’t know enough about Mitchell. Leggett seems risky to me?

[Thurman#1]

Jackson Powers Johnson, here we come.

[BillsFanForever19]

6 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

What exactly did you hear him say to make you think this?!  Because he said what he “brought” to the defense, instead of what he “brings”?  I’ve seen people running with that person’s interpretation, which is quite a stretch imo.

 

And "I enjoyed getting to know him last season". Everything was past tense. He shifted to "we're looking into a lot of different things" rather than discussing Douglas specifically like asked. His tone when discussing that there was nothing there to discuss and no current plans. Everything looked and felt very different than how he usually talks about players he has plans for.

 

Combined with his talking up of Tre White and his return. The idea that we were going to extend Douglas on a Starting CB's contract (which it would have to be bc his agent surely knows he can get one elsewhere in a year), keep Tre and continue paying him a large number, and have Christian Benford at the same time never made sense to me.

 

Why would we pay a lot to keep 3 starting CB's, when we have to find money, have a bunch of starting holes elsewhere, and you can easily get out from either Douglas or White? I always assumed White was the odd man out. But I agreed with @GunnerBill upon re-watching it myself that it was a telling exchange.

[Thurman#1]

8 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I’ll guess Xavier Legette based on Special Teams background, work ethic and physical freak traits

 

or Brian Thomas Jr if we’re willing to trade up enough

 

 

People immediately think first rounder, for obvious reasons. But could just as easily move us up in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th. 

 

Or that they actually want more picks and will just use this pick in the 5th.

[BBFL]

Do they start to look for a replacement backup center now that he’s gone? My thoughts were they should even with Bates on the roster. Probably a bit more inclined now. 
 

I like Morse but given the concussion history and age I wonder how many more years of holding that job down efficiently he has left… 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Ahh the ole McDermott philosophy of someone being too valuable to let play, gotta love it.   I don’t like seeing him go, but if doofus won’t play him, you can’t pay him.

 

?

 

Who is Bates supposed to be playing over? He's just a good backup. I would have liked him as a baseline replacement for Morse but you don't turn down a 5th round pick for that caliber of player.

[billsfan89]

I don’t hate the move IF they know they can bring Edwards back on the cheap to keep the guard depth good. I think they love Alec Anderson from all reports so I think they see Anderson as the backup center. Or they may draft a center in the mid round and let him cook and develop for a year behind Mitch?

 

But if they can at least bring Edwards back that alleviates the depth lost with the trade.

[Ralonzo]

17 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

really strange. We now need to draft a center.  Morse stayed healthy last year but we need a backup, and also Morse is likely a year or two likely away from retirement (or unfortunately a bad hit away). 

Everyone is forgetting Anderson’s tape in preseason last year was so good the Bills had to carry him on the roster the entire year since there was no chance he’d clear waivers and Beane knew it. He never got in because everyone stayed freakishly healthy, but he was mauling 1T’s and turning them out of holes. If he shows out in preseason again he’s the C of the future, period.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

If Joe Buscaglia’s post is correct, it seems like we just wanted the pick… because that’s not exactly a cap space maneuver for a guy we all thought they viewed highly as a versatile depth piece. 

 

Yeah it is certainly just about the pick. I would bet Ryan Poles has been chasing down this trade ever since he stupidly wrote Bates' contract for us in the 2022 offseason. Finally he just made an offer Beane couldn't turn down.

[BillsFanForever19]

25 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I’ll guess Xavier Legette based on Special Teams background, work ethic and physical freak traits

 

or Brian Thomas Jr if we’re willing to trade up enough

 

From the sounds of it from Ian Rappaport, Thomas and Worthy will be WR4 and WR5. My guess is neither reach 28. I think we'll be safe to sit close to 28 or move up 2-3 slots give or take to land Legette or Mitchell.

 

After Higgins, Pittman, and Evans were retained and WR's leapt off the screen during The Combine - I suspect we're probably looking closer to WR6 or WR7 in the area we're in than WR4 or WR5, as I expected before.

 

Thomas will probably cost too much, unless Worthy really does hop him, as Rappaport implied could be a reality after talking to execs. Maybe then Thomas as WR5 would be worth a bigger package than I expect Beane to offer.

 

But my gut and bets are with that it will be either Xavier Legette or Adonai Mitchell, with a smaller trade up if WR6 comes off the board prior to Pick 27.

Edited March 5 by BillsFanForever19

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah it is certainly just about the pick. I would bet Ryan Poles has been chasing down this trade ever since he stupidly wrote Bates' contract for us in the 2022 offseason. Finally he just made an offer Beane couldn't turn down.

Doesn’t it clear 5.4 mil from next year’s cap? 

[gonzo1105]

20 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

Jackson Powers Johnson, here we come.

 

I don't see him lasting to pick 28 if your worried about the Bills taking him. I think he goes late teens or early 20's

[HurlyBurly51]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

And "I enjoyed getting to know him last season". Everything was past tense. He shifted to "we're looking into a lot of different things" rather than discussing Douglas specifically like asked. His tone when discussing that there was nothing there to discuss and no current plans. Everything looked and felt very different than how he usually talks about players he has plans for.

 

Combined with his talking up of Tre White and his return. The idea that we were going to extend Douglas on a Starting CB's contract (which it would have to be bc his agent surely knows he can get one elsewhere in a year), keep Tre and continue paying him a large number, and have Christian Benford at the same time never made sense to me.

 

Why would we pay a lot to keep 3 starting CB's, when we have to find money, have a bunch of starting holes elsewhere, and you can easily get out from either Douglas or White? I always assumed White was the odd man out. But I agreed with @GunnerBill upon re-watching it myself that it was a telling exchange.

Ah yes, the “I enjoyed getting to know him!”😂. Is he supposed to say he’s still enjoying his company and looking forward to getting to know him better?!  Ridiculous take, imho.  
 

It’s not like BBB to give up a 3rd for a rental.  And who says he needs to be extended?  He’s under contract.

Also, this tidbit from someone who is actually closer to their thinking: “Currently, the only thing guaranteed is Douglas on the team for 2024.”  Take a read of Buscaglia’s measured and reasoned CB review.  This seems more likely: “The Bills would be best served to let the year play out and see how Douglas performs, Benford’s progress and how well White bounces back from injury before issuing any guaranteed new money to the cornerback position.”