billsfan89 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: ? Who is Bates supposed to be playing over? He's just a good backup. I would have liked him as a baseline replacement for Morse but you don't turn down a 5th round pick for that caliber of player. I am always about building the offensive line and I would have all things being equal kept Bates for depth. Bates versatility is what makes him so valuable to me. I would rather have Bates as the 6th oline player than a 5th round pick. BUT I have to think that this is a move that was likely put into place last season. I think the Bills front office and coaches probably told Bates when he got displaced by Torrence that after this season if he accepted the benching and acted professionally the Bills would trade him to a place where he could get a chance to start. So from that standpoint I get the move if that’s the case. The return is fair and I can see a team jumping on exchanging an expensive back up for a mid round pick 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Doesn’t it clear 5.4 mil from next year’s cap? Technically. But he was never going to see that $5.4M next year. We were almost certainly going to cut him and take $2.5M in dead cap, so I'm looking at it as we save $1.4M in 2024 and $2.5M in 2025 by trading him now. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I liked Bates but this makes way too much sense when I think about it, there's a guy competing with him pretty close to his spot that's younger that could develop that costs less. We've got the two starting guards figured out finally, so getting a pick and cutting cap, love the guy but it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: BUT I have to think that this is a move that was likely put into place last season. I think the Bills front office and coaches probably told Bates when he got displaced by Torrence that after this season if he accepted the benching and acted professionally the Bills would trade him to a place where he could get a chance to start. See I don't think Beane made this trade happen. Like he wasn't shopping Bates. I think Ryan Poles initiated the whole thing. They say every player could be moved for the right price. For a backup offensive lineman that's already reached his ceiling it would be stupid to turn down a top 150 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: Ah yes, the “I enjoyed getting to know him!”😂. Is he supposed to say he’s still enjoying his company and looking forward to getting to know him better?! Ridiculous take, imho. It’s not like BBB to give up a 3rd for a rental. And who says he needs to be extended? He’s under contract. Also, this tidbit from someone who is actually closer to their thinking: “Currently, the only thing guaranteed is Douglas on the team for 2024.” Take a read of Buscaglia’s measured and reasoned CB review. This seems more likely: “The Bills would be best served to let the year play out and see how Douglas performs, Benford’s progress and how well White bounces back from injury before issuing any guaranteed new money to the cornerback position.” He's 9m on the books if he isn't extended. Tre is 16.4. Even with a restructure of Tre, that's a LOT of money to be paying for CB. Doubly so when you have a VERY good ascending CB who's development is paramount (as he is the present and the future at CB) in Benford that you also want to keep on the field. It's not possible to start all 3. I'm not even taking into account the 1st Rounder we hope will turn things around after he is fully healthy and the firing of the DB's coach that butted heads with him. Or the situation we're in capwise v. The holes we have to replace. We can lose one of White or Douglas and still be good at CB. Meanwhile, we need starters at WR, DE, DT (of which we have a grand total of 1 on the roster), and S (probably both). You're entitled to your opinion. But my opinion has always been that it would be Douglas and Benford with Elam as the first man up on the Outside with Johnson as the Nickel or White/Benford/Johnson/Elam as our top 4 guys. And in watching and listening to Beane talk, it's my belief that Douglas. You can disagree, but to me it's fairly obvious something has to give at CB for the sake of the rest of the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: See I don't think Beane made this trade happen. Like he wasn't shopping Bates. I think Ryan Poles initiated the whole thing. They say every player could be moved for the right price. For a backup offensive lineman that's already reached his ceiling it would be stupid to turn down a top 150 pick. Very possible but given the lack of talent at offensive line in the league it is always a struggle for me to want to give up offensive line depth esp a versatile player like Bates for a mid round pick. I think it’s likely the Bills assured Bates that after the season they would trade him and Chicago came coming. But it is possible that it happened the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Good move. Like the player but can't afford $5M for a back up who played 35 snaps all year. He wasn't even the third TE in heavy sets. Edwards played that role. I like Morse coming back for one more year. He's not great but he is good enough. An extra pick gives Beane some flexibility early on day 3. Good spot to grab an extra OL, S, and DT. Maybe burn some of these late round picks for a guy that fell past round 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Who could be next? Douglas? Hamlin? Siran Neal? 🤐 Diggs? Knox? Poyer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: 20 pages by midnight 9 anyway. 😁 2 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Why? He's a backup Let's hope that our OL is injury free again. It'd be a miracle if that happened. At some point shorting Allen on OL and WRs is going to be a bad look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) If Beane moves Douglas and a late pick to get a 3rd let’s say…. that would signal to me we intend to move up in Round 1 28 + a 3rd + a 5th can get you to pick 21-2 (I don’t want to trade Rasul, but I think he’s one of the most likely Bills to be moved) Edited March 5 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Accumulate capital so they can move up if needed. Not the biggest fan of the trade, but I can definitely make sense of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: He's 9m on the books if he isn't extended. Tre is 16.4. Even with a restructure of Tre, that's a LOT of money to be paying for CB. Doubly so when you have a VERY good ascending CB who's development is paramount (as he is the present and the future at CB) in Benford that you also want to keep on the field. It's not possible to start all 3. I'm not even taking into account the 1st Rounder we hope will turn things around after he is fully healthy and the firing of the DB's coach that butted heads with him. Or the situation we're in capwise v. The holes we have to replace. We can lose one of White or Douglas and still be good at CB. Meanwhile, we need starters at WR, DE, DT (of which we have a grand total of 1 on the roster), and S (probably both). You're entitled to your opinion. But my opinion has always been that it would be Douglas and Benford with Elam as the first man up on the Outside with Johnson as the Nickel or White/Benford/Johnson/Elam as our top 4 guys. And in watching and listening to Beane talk, it's my belief that Douglas. You can disagree, but to me it's fairly obvious something has to give at CB for the sake of the rest of the roster. Yep, we're gonna have different opinions on this. Beane spent literally 15 seconds on the Rasul question. Read the Buscaglia article - there is a path for all of them to be here next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 27 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: He's 9m on the books if he isn't extended. Tre is 16.4. Even with a restructure of Tre, that's a LOT of money to be paying for CB. Doubly so when you have a VERY good ascending CB who's development is paramount (as he is the present and the future at CB) in Benford that you also want to keep on the field. It's not possible to start all 3. I'm not even taking into account the 1st Rounder we hope will turn things around after he is fully healthy and the firing of the DB's coach that butted heads with him. Or the situation we're in capwise v. The holes we have to replace. We can lose one of White or Douglas and still be good at CB. Meanwhile, we need starters at WR, DE, DT (of which we have a grand total of 1 on the roster), and S (probably both). You're entitled to your opinion. But my opinion has always been that it would be Douglas and Benford with Elam as the first man up on the Outside with Johnson as the Nickel or White/Benford/Johnson/Elam as our top 4 guys. And in watching and listening to Beane talk, it's my belief that Douglas. You can disagree, but to me it's fairly obvious something has to give at CB for the sake of the rest of the roster. I'd like to see a move to Safety for Douglas......I think he would be excellent at the position, and it would remove one of the holes the Bills would have to fill on D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Who could be next? Douglas? Hamlin? Siran Neal? 🤐 Diggs? Knox? Poyer? Hamlin or Neal would yield us nothing. Diggs isn't going anywhere. Every idea you've come up with as to why it may happen has been refuted by both Diggs and Beane publicly. And that doesn't even take simple logic into the equation. No one would take on Knox's contract for what he provides - let alone give us compensation to do so. He'll be cut after this year. Poyer is another that no one is going to take on his contract and give us something for. He'll be cut or he'll be here. Douglas *might* get us something in return. But we may end up just having to cut him, if we were to choose to move on. Honestly, looking at the roster right now, I don't really see anyone else that we could get something for that we'd want to move on from. 6 minutes ago, Special K said: I'd like to see a move to Safety for Douglas......I think he would be excellent at the position, and it would remove one of the holes the Bills would have to fill on D. I don't see it. We'd sooner get out from under his deal and use that 9m to get *actual* Safeties. And more because Safeties are cheap AF. I don't think Douglas would be interested either. His agent definitely wouldn't be. He's either going to be a Starting CB here being paid Starting CB money or he's going to get it elsewhere next year. Edited March 5 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, uticaclub said: He's worth more than a 5th Really? A 5th round pick for a career backup offensive lineman who wasn't gonna be starting in Buffalo for the foreseeable future seems like a great return to me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 11 picks now. Good move. Don’t care so much about the cap “relief” this year, but next year I saw opens up ~$5mil? This board has a ton of love for a backup 27 yr old OL. Get younger in the draft. Hope that means we move some picks around but honestly with the youth movement we’re about to see I don’t hate keeping them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I think the Bills really like Alec Anderson. The fact that they kept him on the 53 all last year but never made him active tells me that they knew he wouldn't have made it through waivers to the practice squad, and they liked him enough that they weren't willing to take the risk. I thought he played quite well in the preseason, and I can see why they like him. It won't surprise me in the least if they view him as "the new Ryan Bates", or even as someone who could step in at center in 2025. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 46 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If Beane moves Douglas and a late pick to get a 3rd let’s say…. that would signal to me we intend to move up in Round 1 28 + a 3rd + a 5th can get you to pick 21-2 (I don’t want to trade Rasul, but I think he’s one of the most likely Bills to be moved) No, he’s not Probably the most likely to have his contract restructured 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Makes sense from a cap perspective. Farewell Rick Bates, and we thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Well he’s a starter now. They really wanted him. So bad they gave a 5th for him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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