Anyone like me wanting Beane to hurry up? (Cap)

[CaptnCoke11]

2 minutes ago, Westside said:

What my disagreement with the Von signing is he was on the wrong end of thirty and drastically overpaid for him after drafting basham, epenesa and roussou (sp) who have all under performed for being high draft picks.

Yeah it was definitely a big gamble I totally agree with you on that.  I’m sure he wishes he had that one back 

Edited March 2 by CaptnCoke11

[machine gun kelly]

12 hours ago, MJS said:

It's the offseason. Kick up your feet and relax.

To the OP, it’s a pipe dreams to think aere goi g to do ably t anything substantial in FA.  The draft is how we’ll infuse cheap talent.  We have the worst cap situation in the NFL.

[Blackbeard]

4 hours ago, Westside said:

He’s the one who got us into this mess. Bad signings and mediocre draft picks.

Mess?  You do recognize we’ve consistently finished the last bunch of years winning the AFCE and making sb runs, correct?   
 

such a mess we’re in. Lmao.  Are we supposed to do all of the above and still have loads of cap space? 

[<bills4life>]

41 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Mess?  You do recognize we’ve consistently finished the last bunch of years winning the AFCE and making sb runs, correct?   
 

such a mess we’re in. Lmao.  Are we supposed to do all of the above and still have loads of cap space? 

Clearly you and I have a very different interpretation of what that looks like.

[Westside]

1 hour ago, Blackbeard said:

Mess?  You do recognize we’ve consistently finished the last bunch of years winning the AFCE and making sb runs, correct?   
 

such a mess we’re in. Lmao.  Are we supposed to do all of the above and still have loads of cap space? 

I’m talking cap situation becoming a problem consistently with the bad contracts and poor drafting. I like Beane but I think he needs to do better.

[BillsFan2313]

4 minutes ago, Westside said:

I’m talking cap situation becoming a problem consistently with the bad contracts and poor drafting. I like Beane but I think he needs to do better.

 

It's really just this year. Next year we have around 28 million in cap space, with the ability to get out from Von, Tre and Knox's contracts. Unless they do something with them this year.

Edited March 2 by BillsFan2313

[JGMcD2]

27 minutes ago, Westside said:

I’m talking cap situation becoming a problem consistently with the bad contracts and poor drafting. I like Beane but I think he needs to do better.

Still waiting for someone to prove this is true?

 

They have 2+ starters coming out of every draft and various role players lol

 

They couldn't be where they are if they were drafting poorly - not finding superstars in the 2nd half of RD1 isn't poor drafting either. 

 

2017

White/Dawkins/Milano

 

2018

Allen/Johnson + Edmunds, Phillips, Neal

 

2019

Oliver/Knox + Singletary

 

2020
Davis/Bass/Jackson + Epenesa

 

2021

Rousseau/Brown 

 

2022

Cook/Bernard/Shakir/Benford + Spector

 

2023

Kincaid/Torrence

[Westside]

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

Still waiting for someone to prove this is true?

 

They have 2+ starters coming out of every draft and various role players lol

 

They couldn't be where they are if they were drafting poorly - not finding superstars in the 2nd half of RD1 isn't poor drafting either. 

 

2017

White/Dawkins/Milano

 

2018

Allen/Johnson + Edmunds, Phillips, Neal

 

2019

Oliver/Knox + Singletary

 

2020
Davis/Bass/Jackson + Epenesa

 

2021

Rousseau/Brown 

 

2022

Cook/Bernard/Shakir/Benford + Spector

 

2023

Kincaid/Torrence

There's a lot of projection in that list. Allen definitely a stud. Tre was a stud but due to injury (not Beanes fault) he hasn't lived up to his contract. I'd put Oliver in the next level down, still hasn't played afull season up to his potental. Then we have Cook, Dawkins as solid starters. The rest in my opinion (which means absolutly nothing lol) are meh. I really like Benford and Bernard, I just want to see if they will continue to get better or was last year a fluke. How can I forget Milano, absolute stud along with Allen. I see at least five who are not on the team anymore or will not be on next years team. I think the Bills are pretty solid in picking up talent in the later rounds, but some of the first and second round choices are a little iffy for the spot they were drafted.

 

Thanks for the break down. It really changed the way I thought about the picks they've chosen. you opened my eyes! Thank you for a well rounded response.

[GASabresIUFan]

I’d like to see things happen faster as well, but it will get done because it has too.  
 

People keep mentioning Beane’s poor drafting, because Rousseau and a few others haven’t reached star status.  I’m going to have to respectfully disagree. Beane has done a solid job drafting especially lately.  This past season we have 6 starters, all good, from the last two draft classes alone.  Benford is a solid NFL starting CB from the 6th round. Shakir is a 5th pick.  Kincaid is on his way to stardom and maybe Benard as well.  His first class in 2018 features 7 guys still in the NFL including pro-bowlers/All Pros Allen, Edmunds, Taron Johnson (4th rd) and Wyatt (5th rd). Phillips is now a solid starter for the Vikings.  
 

When I look at the draft, I think a GM needs to find potential starters or major contributors in the first 3 rounds.  Finding contributors or even starters after that is gravy.  The only true busts are Basham and Ford with the jury being out on Elam.  Truthfully his biggest mistake was letting Teller get away.  
 

For the Rousseau bashers, did you know he played his off side this entire season because of Miller and still graded out as one of best players each week?  

[Buffalo03]

19 hours ago, mrags said:

I imagine it’s all going to happen almost at once. Like bang bang bang. For 3-4 straight days you will see updates of cuts, restructures, extensions. It will likely all happen before the tampering period starts but if I were a betting man, I’d bet against them going after any player in the first few days of free agency. My bet is they wait it out and look to not overpay for the high price, higher profile players. JMO

Operating this way now when we are good is fine. But man, during the drought, this never made sense to me. Like, we always had the money, we sucked year after year and with the exception of going all out for Mario and McCoy, we always went after the "after dust settles" guys and it drove me insane 

[Westside]

7 hours ago, Westside said:

He’s the one who got us into this mess. Bad signings and mediocre draft picks.

I kind of took a step back from that hot take, lol. I was pointed out by another poster that the picks weren’t as bad as I first thought. The cap situation is squarely on Beane though. 

[Mat68]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Operating this way now when we are good is fine. But man, during the drought, this never made sense to me. Like, we always had the money, we sucked year after year and with the exception of going all out for Mario and McCoy, we always went after the "after dust settles" guys and it drove me insane 

They let the core drafted players leave.  They never paid big guaranteed money besides Williams.  The best players at premier positions they let walk.   Its was a constant Draft replacing those starters that left. For every guy they extended 2 walked.  

5 minutes ago, Westside said:

I kind of took a step back from that hot take, lol. I was pointed out by another poster that the picks weren’t as bad as I first thought. The cap situation is squarely on Beane though. 

The biggest hindsight misstep was Von.  Before the injury he was having a great year.  I want Beane to make those big swings.  We are paying for it now but that comes with it.  

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

They let the core drafted players leave.  They never paid big guaranteed money besides Williams.  The best players at premier positions they let walk.   Its was a constant Draft replacing those starters that left. For every guy they extended 2 walked.  

Yeah, that was also a big part of it. We never wanted to pay out big contracts to guys that deserved it. But during those years, it was so frustrating to sit back and watch big FAs get signed and then we were looking to spend less on dust settle guys that wouldn't have made our team any better than it already was.

[eee1776]

Things will start moving when Bean leaves Indy and is back in Buffalo. In my opinion.

[Fleezoid]

18 hours ago, Success said:

If there is one thing that being a Bills fan has instilled in me, at a very deep level - it's patience.

 

 

Me too.

 

[BarleyNY]

20 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The legal tampering period starts the 11th and FA the 13th so he has a little time. And I know he said he plans on being under the cap by the end of next week.

 

But I have Football ADHD dang it!  Make some moves so we know what's what!! 🤣

 

I am very interested in the roster decisions the Bills have in front of them. Obvious, simple restructures are going to happen for some players like Allen. No suspense there. But they’ve got a lot of decisions to be made on players. That’s the interesting stuff. 

[Green Lightning]

20 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I am not looking forward to it because I think he will do some things to kick the can down the road further.  I want a cap reset of sorts.  

 I hope not. Time to let guys go and let the kids play. Faster, cheaper. KC did it and won. We can ttoo.we need a solid draft.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 minute ago, Green Lightning said:

 I hope not. Time to let guys go and let the kids play. Faster, cheaper. KC did it and won. We can ttoo.we need a solid draft.

Exactly.   You don’t need vets everywhere. 

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Operating this way now when we are good is fine. But man, during the drought, this never made sense to me. Like, we always had the money, we sucked year after year and with the exception of going all out for Mario and McCoy, we always went after the "after dust settles" guys and it drove me insane 

I’m not saying it’s the ideal way to do business. I’m saying it’s likely what we’re going to do this year. We are over the cap at this point and I believe we’ll be under enough at the time to make some signings, I don’t expect them to go big. Also, like you said, we are good now. We have Allen now. We have Diggs now. We can afford to take some more average players and hope this coaching staff can get their best out of them. It drove me insane too when it used to happen. Not right now we need a real infusion of young talent and that needs to come from the draft and FAs that were recently released or never caught on with teams but have some real upside and could be something in a new place. Picking up Hamler at WR is exactly the type of move im speaking of. It will be more moves like this imo. 

[Buffalo03]

52 minutes ago, mrags said:

I’m not saying it’s the ideal way to do business. I’m saying it’s likely what we’re going to do this year. We are over the cap at this point and I believe we’ll be under enough at the time to make some signings, I don’t expect them to go big. Also, like you said, we are good now. We have Allen now. We have Diggs now. We can afford to take some more average players and hope this coaching staff can get their best out of them. It drove me insane too when it used to happen. Not right now we need a real infusion of young talent and that needs to come from the draft and FAs that were recently released or never caught on with teams but have some real upside and could be something in a new place. Picking up Hamler at WR is exactly the type of move im speaking of. It will be more moves like this imo. 

I agree with this. It was moreso a complaint about how some of the prior Bills GMs would preach the "build through the draft and sign our own" which I agree with but you would have thought when the playoff drought reached 10 years they would have said "ok, let's make some splashes while building through the draft" they just always seemed to want to cheap out and get average players to mix with bad draft picks and it was a never ending cycle until Beane, thankfully 

[BananaB]

7 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

Mess?  You do recognize we’ve consistently finished the last bunch of years winning the AFCE and making sb runs, correct?   
 

such a mess we’re in. Lmao.  Are we supposed to do all of the above and still have loads of cap space? 

Simplest way to get around it is to get more out of your younger players. Fact is they draft guys then go sign guys to play their position. Part of the blame for this is probably McD though. What really is it  bad drafting or poor development and lack of trust in young players from the HC. 

Edited March 2 by BananaB

[mrags]

3 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I agree with this. It was moreso a complaint about how some of the prior Bills GMs would preach the "build through the draft and sign our own" which I agree with but you would have thought when the playoff drought reached 10 years they would have said "ok, let's make some splashes while building through the draft" they just always seemed to want to cheap out and get average players to mix with bad draft picks and it was a never ending cycle until Beane, thankfully 

Yeah I don’t see Beane and/or McDermott being guilty of this. In fact I think they’ve made too many splashes. Specifically Von. But more than anything they’ve made moves in the wrong direction imo. I will always come back to Allen is not just the best QB this franchise has ever had, but ever will. And it’s a crime to not replenish his weapons always 

[Niagara Dude]

On 3/1/2024 at 2:13 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:

The legal tampering period starts the 11th and FA the 13th so he has a little time. And I know he said he plans on being under the cap by the end of next week.

 

But I have Football ADHD dang it!  Make some moves so we know what's what!! 🤣

Not sure what he plans on doing but I have full confidence he has this under control

Edited March 2 by Niagara Dude
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[buffaloboyinATL]

Beane already has it all planned out, from restructures, free agency, the draft, training camp and has the final roster in ink, because he is a sorcerer.  

[NoSaint]

On 3/1/2024 at 1:13 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:

The legal tampering period starts the 11th and FA the 13th so he has a little time. And I know he said he plans on being under the cap by the end of next week.

 

But I have Football ADHD dang it!  Make some moves so we know what's what!! 🤣

to be fair, waiting as long as possible is advantageous 

 

the last thing you want is to restructure a guy and something catastrophic happens (whether workout or jet ski or legal)

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Hopefully he's still trying to convince Pegula to can McDermott and hire Belichick....

Sorry couldn't resist....I kid I kid...

[Steve Billieve]

7 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Hopefully he's still trying to convince Pegula to can McDermott and hire Belichick....

Sorry couldn't resist....I kid I kid...

believe it or not, jail.

[Pete]

On 3/2/2024 at 3:57 AM, machine gun kelly said:

  We have the worst cap situation in the NFL.

 The adjective worst describes the thing that is the least good, like this awful pizza, the worst we've ever had in our lives. Don't confuse worst with worse, which compares only two things. Your cold might be worse than your brother's but dad's is the worst of all.

 

Hey Mr Hyperbole, could we please stick to facts?   Please spare us the gloom and doom.  The Bills future is bright!

Edited March 4 by Pete

[SoonerBillsFan]

On 3/2/2024 at 1:32 PM, BananaB said:

Simplest way to get around it is to get more out of your younger players. Fact is they draft guys then go sign guys to play their position. Part of the blame for this is probably McD though. What really is it  bad drafting or poor development and lack of trust in young players from the HC. 

McDermott has to change his philosophy on this wanting vets at all positions.  KC starts rookies, the Lions had 4 start last year I think.

 

Gotta draft better and coach better.  Time for the youth to start.

[Back2Buff]

On 3/1/2024 at 5:22 PM, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

As @GunnerBill pointed out, in listening to the end of Beane's presser at the Combine - the feeling I got was that Douglas is more likely to be released or traded than extended.

 

 

They are not getting rid of their number 1 CB.  White may not play all of next year.  They are treating him as not being here next year.

 

If Douglas doesn't want to do a contract extension, they will add a few void years just lowering the cap this year.

[Fan in Chicago]

52 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

McDermott has to change his philosophy on this wanting vets at all positions.  KC starts rookies, the Lions had 4 start last year I think.

 

Gotta draft better and coach better.  Time for the youth to start.

There has to be a blend at each position group

1. You don't know what you have in a rookie. A vet's book on capabilities, ceiling and floor is pretty much written

2. Vet brings knowledge and experience to each group

 

While Beane did go heavy on vets earlier, he needs to blend more youth and bring down the average age of each group. 

[Back2Buff]

On 3/1/2024 at 4:39 PM, JohnNord said:

They will restructure Allen before any of them 

 

They may sign him to an extension too.  Looking to give him more money and add some years to lower his cap even more right now.

 

Right now he is signed through 32, would it really be unreasonable to think he plays till 35?  

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Fan in Chicago said:

There has to be a blend at each position group

1. You don't know what you have in a rookie. A vet's book on capabilities, ceiling and floor is pretty much written

2. Vet brings knowledge and experience to each group

 

While Beane did go heavy on vets earlier, he needs to blend more youth and bring down the average age of each group. 

Agreed, I csn go with that.   But we have to quit drafting JAG's on the DL.   Get a couple studs and quit worrying about rotation as much

Just now, Back2Buff said:

 

They may sign him to an extension too.  Looking to give him more money and add some years to lower his cap even more right now.

 

Right now he is signed through 32, would it really be unreasonable to think he plays till 35?  

Agreed add 3 years now before the price sky rockets further

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 3/1/2024 at 2:34 PM, Matt_In_NH said:

I am not looking forward to it because I think he will do some things to kick the can down the road further.  I want a cap reset of sorts.  

No way. Don’t you know the SB window is only 2 more years tops ? (Sarcasm)

[John from Riverside]

On 3/2/2024 at 11:32 AM, BananaB said:

Simplest way to get around it is to get more out of your younger players. Fact is they draft guys then go sign guys to play their position. Part of the blame for this is probably McD though. What really is it  bad drafting or poor development and lack of trust in young players from the HC. 

I have no problem double dipping between free agency and the draft on positions. Some of these kids coming out of college won’t be ready like Bernard.
 

What I don’t want to see is McDermott not playing young guys who are obviously better players but going with veterans just cause

[Matt_In_NH]

The thing with this is it is important to be methodical and only pull the triggers when they need to be pulled.  I dont expect them to do a bunch of stuff to get to 35M under the cap and then use it in FA/draft/replacement guys/practice squad.   Rather, I expect a minimum required moves to get cap compliant with some space heading into FA and then additional moves as guys are signed to stay compliant. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Beane I want 40 million in space for a UFA shopping spree / trade thanks 😂

[Ethan in Cleveland]

On 3/2/2024 at 7:32 AM, Blackbeard said:

Mess?  You do recognize we’ve consistently finished the last bunch of years winning the AFCE and making sb runs, correct?   
 

such a mess we’re in. Lmao.  Are we supposed to do all of the above and still have loads of cap space? 

Can you define SB run for us? 

Even the biggest homers on here would hardly claim getting bounced out of the division round in the playoffs three years in a row(twice at home) as SB runs.

On 3/2/2024 at 9:56 AM, JGMcD2 said:

Still waiting for someone to prove this is true?

 

They have 2+ starters coming out of every draft and various role players lol

 

They couldn't be where they are if they were drafting poorly - not finding superstars in the 2nd half of RD1 isn't poor drafting either. 

 

2017

White/Dawkins/Milano

 

2018

Allen/Johnson + Edmunds, Phillips, Neal

 

2019

Oliver/Knox + Singletary

 

2020
Davis/Bass/Jackson + Epenesa

 

2021

Rousseau/Brown 

 

2022

Cook/Bernard/Shakir/Benford + Spector

 

2023

Kincaid/Torrence

Obligatory Beane didn't draft in 2017 comment...sorry

[JGMcD2]

7 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Can you define SB run for us? 

Even the biggest homers on here would hardly claim getting bounced out of the division round in the playoffs three years in a row(twice at home) as SB runs.

Obligatory Beane didn't draft in 2017 comment...sorry

I have a hard time believing that. 
 

I promise I realize exactly what I’m typing. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

I have a hard time believing that. 
 

I promise I realize exactly what I’m typing. 

So you are saying while Beane was under contract with the Panthers he was conspiring with McDermott on who to draft in 2017? And then following along this line of thinking that would make Beane also complicit in passing on drafting Mahomes. 

What you are suggesting would be the biggest scandal in NFL history.  Far worse that spygate or deflategate.