Roundybout Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 One high priced free agent off the market 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Would’ve been more surprising if they didn’t franchise tag him. Most likely will be gone after next season but they get to keep him for one more year before their big salaries get close to kicking in. It will be really interesting to see how much Chase gets when he signs his new deal 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Jesus I can't imagine what their cap looks like when they have to pay Chase as well. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 7 minutes ago, Roundybout said: One high priced free agent off the market He is so over rated…, hell even Davis is ranked higher than this guy in FAs getting open thread, who would want such a loser, right? am I doing this right? 2 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Jesus I can't imagine what their cap looks like when they have to pay Chase as well. Probably looks better than ours does now … 1 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) Yeah, no real surprise. Who else is more important to the team they have control over. Edited February 24 by Coastie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) This is my shocked face. I said it immediately in that ridiculous thread about Buffalo going after him. 13 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Jesus I can't imagine what their cap looks like when they have to pay Chase as well. Don't have to worry about that for two more years. Even if they extend Chase now, surely the next two years will remain the same. Edited February 24 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: This is my shocked face. Don't have to worry about that for two more years. Even if they extend him now, surely the next two years will remain the same. And the cap is likely north of $300m come 2026 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) I have to think this is a stall tactic until they can sign him and Chase to a long term deal. However, paying Joe 50+ and Higgens/Chase 30+ per is insane to me. Yes, I'm assuming those will be the numbers on the receivers, but I can't imagine I'll be too far off. Bengals have 74 mil in cap space, which is also insane to me. Burrow won't really hit the books for another two years, but still. 110 mil for 3 guys. Edited February 24 by Virgil 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Just now, Virgil said: I have to think this is a stall tactic until they can sign him and Chase to a long term deal. However, paying Joe 50+ and Higgens/Chase 30+ per is insane to me. Yes, I'm assuming those will be the numbers on the receivers, but I can't imagine I'll be too far off Again though, Chase is under a Rookie deal for the next two years. So maybe they front load it for a couple years and then lessen it in Year 3 and put an out in the contract after Year 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, Virgil said: I have to think this is a stall tactic until they can sign him and Chase to a long term deal. However, paying Joe 50+ and Higgens/Chase 30+ per is insane to me. Yes, I'm assuming those will be the numbers on the receivers, but I can't imagine I'll be too far off With the cap going way up and only expected to continue to climb going forward teams can afford this now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: I have to think this is a stall tactic until they can sign him and Chase to a long term deal. However, paying Joe 50+ and Higgens/Chase 30+ per is insane to me. Yes, I'm assuming those will be the numbers on the receivers, but I can't imagine I'll be too far off You're probably right. Although it won't matter much if the Bengals can't get better offensive linemen to protect Burrow. Otherwise, he will go the way of David Carr. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Good news for us takes one more team out of the first round wide receiver market 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Good news for us takes one more team out of the first round wide receiver market If the Bungles don’t get a long term deal done, I don’t think they are out of the first round market at all. Smart teams would draft a WR before it becomes a big need. Edited February 24 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Good news for us takes one more team out of the first round wide receiver market 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: If the Bungles don’t get a long term deal done, I don’t think they are out of the first round market at all. Smart teams would draft a WR before it becomes a big need. I don't think Cincinnati would have been using a 1st on WR - unless they lost BOTH Higgins and Boyd. They have a suspect OL to begin with and will more likely than not (especially after Franchise Tagging Higgins) be losing their Left Tackle. With Chase in house and retaining either Higgins or Boyd, maybe they'd take one in the Second to replace the other. But I'd suspect the 1st is going to Left Tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Again though, Chase is under a Rookie deal for the next two years. So maybe they front load it for a couple years and then lessen it in Year 3 and put an out in the contract after Year 3. Yea but they are going to have to pay Chase this year. The elite guys want paying as soon as they come due now - after year 3. If they don't pay Chase expect it to get tense quite quickly. Now the way you do that normally is you give him a huge chunk of change as a bonus so that it doesn't make a big dent in the cap until after the rookie contract years are done. But Mike Brown is a cash to cap guy. He doesn't have deep pockets to start throwing a lot of money around up front and then just account for it on the cap over the long term. It just makes it tricky. I don't think this is the right play by the Bengals (and I have always liked Tee a lot) unless they are going to try the much talked about, rarely executed, tag and trade option turn that 3rd round comp pick into a 1st or high 2nd maybe? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea but they are going to have to pay Chase this year. The elite guys want paying as soon as they come due now - after year 3. If they don't pay Chase expect it to get tense quite quickly. Now the way you do that normally is you give him a huge chunk of change as a bonus so that it doesn't make a big dent in the cap until after the rookie contract years are done. But Mike Brown is a cash to cap guy. He doesn't have deep pockets to start throwing a lot of money around up front and then just account for it on the cap over the long term. It just makes it tricky. I don't think this is the right play by the Bengals (and I have always liked Tee a lot) unless they are going to try the much talked about, rarely executed, tag and trade option turn that 3rd round comp pick into a 1st or high 2nd maybe? I really don't think so. The Bengals whole claim to fame is having a QB like Burrow with not 1, but 2 true #1 WR's. It's what got them to the Super Bowl over Kansas City 3 years ago. If you've got the money to keep that together, and they do, you do that. Take care of the Left Tackle in the Draft, where they'll be picking higher than usual thanks to their lost season without Burrow. At 74 Million under the cap this year, there's absolutely no reason they can't keep them both. Even if it's expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I really don't think so. The Bengals whole claim to fame is having a QB like Burrow with not 1, but 2 true #1 WR's. It's what got them to the Super Bowl over Kansas City 3 years ago. If you've got the money to keep that together, and they do, you do that. Take care of the Left Tackle in the Draft, where they'll be picking higher than usual thanks to their lost season without Burrow. At 74 Million under the cap this year, there's absolutely no reason they can't keep them both. Even if it's expensive. It isn't this year that concerns me so much - they can definitely afford them this year. But Tee at c.$22m AAV and Chase at a market re-setting $32m (could even be more if JJ gets done first)... when you add that to Joe Burrow it makes it tight in future years, especially with an owner who wants to be cash to cap and doesn't necessarily have the means to keep writing those big bonus checks to restructure year after year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It isn't this year that concerns me so much - they can definitely afford them this year. But Tee at c.$22m AAV and Chase at a market re-setting $32m (could even be more if JJ gets done first)... when you add that to Joe Burrow it makes it tight in future years, especially with an owner who wants to be cash to cap and doesn't necessarily have the means to keep writing those big bonus checks to restructure year after year. Just taking a look at Spotrac: 2024 - 72.4m under the cap 2025 - 177.7m under the cap 2026 - 376.6m under the cap Granted, there's a large number of bodies that need to be replaced by 2026. But the amount of money they have over the next few seasons is more than enough to keep Chase and Higgins and still build their roster. As I said when we talked about this before, teams don't let important pieces of their roster go unless they don't have a choice. Higgins and Chase together is as important to that team as anything and they don't have to sacrifice either. So why would they? Edited February 24 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 This mean Boyd is a goner. Cincy likely will be drafting a new slot WR, but that leaves another outside WR on the board for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 It's the right move. You keep that trio together for as long as humanly possible. Chase Brown is no slouch either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea but they are going to have to pay Chase this year. The elite guys want paying as soon as they come due now - after year 3. If they don't pay Chase expect it to get tense quite quickly. Now the way you do that normally is you give him a huge chunk of change as a bonus so that it doesn't make a big dent in the cap until after the rookie contract years are done. But Mike Brown is a cash to cap guy. He doesn't have deep pockets to start throwing a lot of money around up front and then just account for it on the cap over the long term. It just makes it tricky. I don't think this is the right play by the Bengals (and I have always liked Tee a lot) unless they are going to try the much talked about, rarely executed, tag and trade option turn that 3rd round comp pick into a 1st or high 2nd maybe? When was the last time a tag and trade was executed? I honestly can’t remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: When was the last time a tag and trade was executed? I honestly can’t remember. Clowney maybe? I think Clowney and Frank Clark were the same year. Can't recall one since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 8 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: And the cap is likely north of $300m come 2026 That depends on when Taylor Swift and Kelce break up, no? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 hours ago, FireChans said: When was the last time a tag and trade was executed? I honestly can’t remember. Adams to the Raiders I believe. Packers got a 1st and a 2nd for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Good teams find a way to keep their best players. The loser franchises trade their good players away and “rebuild” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Hopefully this means they don’t draft a WR round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 5 minutes ago, DJB said: Hopefully this means they don’t draft a WR round 1 My guess would be OT with Jonah Williams likely gone. They have a lot of money in Burrow and need to protect him given his injury history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 8 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Good news for us takes one more team out of the first round wide receiver market they were not likely in it if he walked, and Higgins might’ve took a different team out of it - so kind of the opposite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Clowney maybe? I think Clowney and Frank Clark were the same year. Can't recall one since. Also Jags tagged and traded Yannick Ngakoue. Did GB do it with Davante Adams too? Edited February 24 by BarleyNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Glass Burrow better stay mostly healthy, because Tee is going to be a #1 somewhere else after the upcoming season. This dude is all about the bag and I'd be shocked but not entirely surprised if he doesn't get snippy over getting tagged and not super extended. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 12 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Also Jags tagged and traded Yannick Ngakoue. Did GB do it with Davante Adams too? Hmm. Good call on Adams. Think they did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 9 hours ago, FireChans said: If the Bungles don’t get a long term deal done, I don’t think they are out of the first round market at all. Smart teams would draft a WR before it becomes a big need. Right. And they're likely losing Boyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 32 minutes ago, Gigs said: Glass Burrow better stay mostly healthy, because Tee is going to be a #1 somewhere else after the upcoming season. This dude is all about the bag and I'd be shocked but not entirely surprised if he doesn't get snippy over getting tagged and not super extended. wouldn’t you be about the bag? Players have short careers and one injury can ruin the bag and serious money 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 30 minutes ago, aristocrat said: wouldn’t you be about the bag? Players have short careers and one injury can ruin the bag and serious money Right! Players should always 100% be about the money-it’s not their job to make things work within the cap. People who say they wouldn’t chase the money are lying to themselves. It’s such a weird world we live in where so many people bash the people who put the product on the field and protect the big time billionaire owners 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 11 hours ago, Ya Digg? said: Would’ve been more surprising if they didn’t franchise tag him. Most likely will be gone after next season but they get to keep him for one more year before their big salaries get close to kicking in. It will be really interesting to see how much Chase gets when he signs his new deal That's surprising honestly...gonna cost them a lot of money for that one. Somewhere in the $20-21 million a year range, and they are already paying Chase. Doesn't seem very smart considering they are in perfect position to draft a stud WR in a loaded draft...perhaps they still do it and let him develop as a #3 before Higgins leaves next year.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 @GunnerBillis trying to tell you all something and you're not listening. It doesn't matter how much cap space the Bengals have. They always have a lot of cap space. The issue here in Cincinnati is cash. Mike Brown's only valuable asset is a small-market NFL team. Most NFL owners, in an attempt to win, are kicking in some of their own money to help pay player bonuses to circumvent the cap. Mike Brown doesn't have that kind of cash on hand. The Bengals went into the year as a contending team and they played with 10 million in cap space. So, this being the case, tagging Higgins is a pretty dumb move that was made to appease Joe Burrow and the fans. This will backfire this year because it will further weaken an already bad defense. I know people here think that the Bengals have a good defense (and DC) because for some reason they have our number. But they had one of the worst defenses in the NFL last year (Ranked 31 out of 32 in total defense). They went from 3rd in points allowed in 2022 to 22nd in 2023. That was because they lost both safeties in FA. They very much had the cap space to sign all-pro Jessie Bates, but they didn't. Why? BECAUSE MIKE BROWN DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO EVEN SPEND TO THE CAP. This year, DJ Reeder is a FA and they'll lose him even though they have the space (but not the money) to sign him and he wants to stay. They also spent too much of their limited cash on Orlando Brown, but that's another story. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 7 minutes ago, Big Turk said: That's surprising honestly...gonna cost them a lot of money for that one. Somewhere in the $20-21 million a year range, and they are already paying Chase. Doesn't seem very smart considering they are in perfect position to draft a stud WR in a loaded draft...perhaps they still do it and let him develop as a #3 before Higgins leaves next year.. Well they aren’t paying Chase yet, he’s still on his rookie contract. Which is why they can afford the franchise tag for Higgins this year. I do think the Bengals will draft a WR at some point, but even if they had let Higgins walk I highly doubt it would’ve been in the first round. They have Burrow’s huge contract and he can’t stay healthy, so I would think protecting him had to be their first priority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: wouldn’t you be about the bag? Players have short careers and one injury can ruin the bag and serious money I would be to an extent; get mine but give a discount a la Milano or Brady. Everybody's different tho. However, Tee and Chase have both said they want Justin Jefferson to get paid first and reset the market. Realistically they're only keeping Chase after next year. Boyd is a FA and the Bengals just committed 20mil guaranteed to Higgins. The Bengals also don't like guaranteed monies after year one of the contract, so that might cost them Chase as well. Lucky for them this year is like a double dose of the 96 draft lol (it even comes with a rookie Marvin Harrison!) But they better get it right and hope Mr Glass doesn't have one of his kidneys fail, or suffer some sort of anal prolapse or something out of left field lol. That dude is one injury away from being Bad Luck Burrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 3 hours ago, Bills!Win! said: Good teams find a way to keep their best players. The loser franchises trade their good players away and “rebuild” Like the Chiefs and Tyreek Hill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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