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10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Beane’s last 2 draft classes were phenomenal, even with Elam 


2022 getting Cook, Bernard, Benford, Shakir is super impressive work.  So I give him credit there. 
 

Elam is a massive whiff and it gets even more annoying when they basically traded Tyler Linderbaum and Jordan Stout for Elam. It just hurts. 

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4 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Torrence looked really good. He had some rookie moments, specifically on the inside rush, but I like him a lot. Him and Kincaid are homeruns. 


Congrats to him.
 

wanted Torrance in round 1 and somehow he slipped to round 2.

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2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Great for us … but wonder why he fell in the draft ? 

 

Had a lot of Round 1 buzz in the lead up..

 

Whatever the reasons … seems the teams got it wrong

 

 

Another victim of the fact that half the league wants to run the Kyle Shanahan offense without Kyle Shanahan. O'Cyrus isn't the natural bender or lateral mover that you generally look for in that scheme. And once you don't fit that scheme at the moment on offense the number of landing spots for you cuts almost in half. You go from 32 teams who could pick you to about 16. 

 

Really solid rookie year. Some inside speed rush issues in the middle of the year - particularly when teams are putting their edge guys inside to attack his inside shoulder - but pretty solid. He gave up 3 sacks and 40 pressures. Trey Smith of the Chiefs, who is one of the best right guards in the league, gave up 2 and 34. 

 

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Another victim of the fact that half the league wants to run the Kyle Shanahan offense without Kyle Shanahan. O'Cyrus isn't the natural bender or lateral mover that you generally look for in that scheme. And once you don't fit that scheme at the moment on offense the number of landing spots for you cuts almost in half. You go from 32 teams who could pick you to about 16. 

 

Really solid rookie year. Some inside speed rush issues in the middle of the year - particularly when teams are putting their edge guys inside to attack his inside shoulder - but pretty solid. He gave up 3 sacks and 40 pressures. Trey Smith of the Chiefs, who is one of the best right guards in the league, gave up 2 and 34. 

 

I also think that a majority of teams are of the don’t-ever-draft-a-guard-in-the-first-round-because-it’s-bad-value school, which also drove his final slotting.

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5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I also think that a majority of teams are of the don’t-ever-draft-a-guard-in-the-first-round-because-it’s-bad-value school, which also drove his final slotting.

 

Yea, for sure. A combination of positional value and limited scheme fit. I didn't have a 1st on him because you have to be an elite guard prospect for me to give you a 1st.

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Very good run blocker. Struggled some in pass protection. 

 

One of the reasons I don’t want much change on offensive systems and coaching is the entire starting OL is signed next year. I like that continuity. Keep the system, tweak it, add playmakers outside.

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10 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Kincaid didn't??  Or is it only one TE league wide??  Is there a 2nd team?

LaPorta probably deserved the TE spot, he posted mad numbers for a rookie TE.  Not sure why they picked 2 RB's instead of 3 WR's or 2TE's.  Passing league.

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44 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Very good run blocker. Struggled some in pass protection. 

 

One of the reasons I don’t want much change on offensive systems and coaching is the entire starting OL is signed next year. I like that continuity. Keep the system, tweak it, add playmakers outside.

 

His struggles were very specific. He actually dealt pretty well with the big powerful DT types. His issues are against the twitchier guys and the outside rushers shunted inside on obvious pass downs. The concern is some of that is footspeed. But (without being an OL expert) I expect that there must be some technique stuff about how you set yourself on those downs to try and mitigate some of it?

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1 hour ago, BearNorth said:

LaPorta probably deserved the TE spot, he posted mad numbers for a rookie TE.  Not sure why they picked 2 RB's instead of 3 WR's or 2TE's.  Passing league.

 

Agree assumed LaPorta would get it if only one.  Wasn't sure if it may be one team per conference or if there's a 2nd team all rookie

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Probably the brightest thing to look forward for next year. Complete continuity and health on the offensive line.

-growth for Cook

-growth for Kincaid

 

an exciting linebacker core. Milano, Bernard, Williams, and Spector.

Rewatching Dorian in his limited snaps…that dude is explosive and a hammer. He’ll be an exciting player to watch.

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14 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Torrence looked really good. He had some rookie moments, specifically on the inside rush, but I like him a lot. Him and Kincaid are homeruns. 

It is wild how one season can change how you feel about things. Last offseason it felt like the core was just aging and we were gonna need help all over. Now they still have needs but you have this whole new crew coming:

Torrence, Kincaid, Shakir, Cook, Benford, Bernard, & even Brown at RT if your feeling it.

 

If Beane can have another good draft and get 2-3 good starters they will really be set moving forward again the next 4-5 years

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Kincaid is fine.  He just didn't have the stats of LaPorta.  Torrence is going to improve in his second season.  He may always struggle a bit with quick players who rush inside, but I think he'll improve some.  I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to drop a few pounds to try and get a bit quicker.

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I didn’t see this posted but this is cool. He’s the first Bills rookie since Ed Oliver to make the list and the first offensive lineman since Andy Levitre to make it. 

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