Italian Bills Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I mean: why aren’t we able to run screen plays more often ? What’s the problem with that ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 The least of my concerns right now. 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Defenses are terrified of Josh running around the side. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, Italian Bills said: I mean: why aren’t we able to run screen plays more often ? What’s the problem with that ? Screens generally require more athletic and mobile OLines; ours is not necessarily suited to that. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Defenses are terrified of Josh running around the side. Tasker has said this on OBL repeatedly. Not that I know more than he does but I’m not sure I buy that. I can’t remember the last bills team to run a good screen in recent memory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, AlfaBill said: Tasker has said this on OBL repeatedly. Not that I know more than he does but I’m not sure I buy that. I can’t remember the last bills team to run a good screen in recent memory That's like a chicken and the egg question, what good Bills offense are you wondering about before Josh was the QB? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 We’ve run several successful screens this year… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: That's like a chicken and the egg question, what good Bills offense are you wondering about before Josh was the QB? Maybe the Bledsoe or Fitz eras? Nothing stands out after Kelly/Thurman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 12 minutes ago, Simon said: Screens generally require more athletic and mobile OLines; ours is not necessarily suited to that. I mean our pulling/trap game has been excellent, but that does not translate to screens. We have seen RBs in the pass game though on blitz beaters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I think teams spy Josh so much when we go to screens it gets blown up bc they are just sitting there in perfect position 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 30 minutes ago, Simon said: Screens generally require more athletic and mobile OLines; ours is not necessarily suited to that. Except even the ones using a couple wide receivers almost always fail. Allens ball placement is part of it, not certain of the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 31 minutes ago, AlfaBill said: Tasker has said this on OBL repeatedly. Not that I know more than he does but I’m not sure I buy that. I can’t remember the last bills team to run a good screen in recent memory Chan Gailey 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Simon said: Screens generally require more athletic and mobile OLines; ours is not necessarily suited to that. You also need a defense that is all coming up the field. And the way teams play Josh that is rare. And Josh's placement on those shorter throws isn't elite IMO. If a receiver has to hesitate to secure the catch it means your element of surprise has gone. EDIT: combination of all of those factors IMO. Edited January 14 by GunnerBill 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 44 minutes ago, AlfaBill said: Tasker has said this on OBL repeatedly. Not that I know more than he does but I’m not sure I buy that. I can’t remember the last bills team to run a good screen in recent memory Gaileys teams could execute screens. Haven’t been good at them since. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Simon said: Screens generally require more athletic and mobile OLines; ours is not necessarily suited to that. We have a bunch of great athletes on the line ... Dawkins is a pulling machine and super athletic, Spencer Brown is an Athletic freak , Mitch Morse is one of the more athletic centers in the NFL... Our only phone booth is Torrence Teams don't try and over rush the bills because Josh will kill you for lack of gap integrity... Theu generally try to contain the edge which also hampers screens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajinka Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 My take is they think we're awesome at them but flabbergasted when they don't work in game. Every week in practice we probably take every screen to the house against our crappy screen D. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stroke 17 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Much more concerned with stopping the screen. The pitts passing game is all about short screens to backs and wr's' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Josh doesn’t throw short, soft touch passes well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: Defenses are terrified of Josh running around the side. Middle screen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Middle screen I was just thinking that. I’d like to see them try it, I think? It seems like so much of the pressure comes up the middle. Now, is that harder to execute? Is there some other reason that’s a bad idea? IDK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, Augie said: I was just thinking that. I’d like to see them try it, I think? It seems like so much of the pressure comes up the middle. Now, is that harder to execute? Is there some other reason that’s a bad idea? IDK Is that what they used to do with Smoke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Teams all out blitz us enough, we should be able to audible into a screen once in a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 hours ago, AlfaBill said: Tasker has said this on OBL repeatedly. Not that I know more than he does but I’m not sure I buy that. I can’t remember the last bills team to run a good screen in recent memory Chan Gailey dialed up some good screens, that’s the last time I remember good screens. Sucks because I love watching them 😀 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 hours ago, AlfaBill said: Tasker has said this on OBL repeatedly. Not that I know more than he does but I’m not sure I buy that. I can’t remember the last bills team to run a good screen in recent memory We haven't been able to run a screen since Whaley send Fred Jackson packing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 hours ago, Italian Bills said: I mean: why aren’t we able to run screen plays more often ? What’s the problem with that ? Throw it to Shakir and get forty yards he is the answer evidently, give him a good blocker like Davis and..,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan_in_tx Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 hours ago, AlfaBill said: Tasker has said this on OBL repeatedly. Not that I know more than he does but I’m not sure I buy that. I can’t remember the last bills team to run a good screen in recent memory CJ and Fred... Screen city 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 LOL, NBC violating Canadian airspace with that drone shot.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Bills Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 Oh well… what i see that many top teams use screen plays a lot… and it works very well. With some good screen during the game, we would be unpredictable, now that we have Cook that defenses respect, it could work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 12 hours ago, 0017 said: Chan Gailey dialed up some good screens, that’s the last time I remember good screens. Sucks because I love watching them 😀 Unfortunately at times it felt like the only play that worked in Chan's playbook. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 15 hours ago, Italian Bills said: I mean: why aren’t we able to run screen plays more often ? What’s the problem with that ? Here is what I don't get. They said during training camp we were running them a ton. Then poof! Gone... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 16 hours ago, Italian Bills said: I mean: why aren’t we able to run screen plays more often ? What’s the problem with that ? Some teams just execute better. Miami ran some of the worst screen plays I've ever seen the other night, in the cold...and KC diagnosed them instantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 16 hours ago, AlfaBill said: Tasker has said this on OBL repeatedly. Not that I know more than he does but I’m not sure I buy that. I can’t remember the last bills team to run a good screen in recent memory Chan Gailey HC. Spiller and Jackson RBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 15 hours ago, Governor said: Josh doesn’t throw short, soft touch passes well. Really never has iirc, although Shakir made hay on a screen vs Miami the other day, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Unfortunately at times it felt like the only play that worked in Chan's playbook. Given that we were starting Donald Brown and David Nelson at WR alongside Stevie, it was a miracle any time we completed a downfield pass back then. I wasn’t a fan of the Gailey hire, but I have to admit he proved his prowess as an OC here. Those teams were severely under-talented but managed to consistently move the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 17 hours ago, NewEra said: Chan Gailey He was a hell of a nice guy !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Bills haven't been good at running screens for 30 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 20 hours ago, mikemac2001 said: I think teams spy Josh so much when we go to screens it gets blown up bc they are just sitting there in perfect position correct, the entire secondary is usually in zone and staring at the QB; can diagnose the screen very early ; this is why the pitchout to the WR works sometimes as dbs are backpedaling to the their spot at/prior to the snap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 20 hours ago, mikemac2001 said: I think teams spy Josh so much when we go to screens it gets blown up bc they are just sitting there in perfect position Spot on I had not thought it through to that point. Also Josh struggles with the super short pass .. it’s a timing thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 The Rams kill with the WR screen. Used to be Cooper Kupp, now it’s Nuka. They catch it, see a hole, and sprint. It’s smart, the defense is either standing still, running towards you, or getting blocked immediately. Here’s the Bills problem: they can’t even catch these passes. We have no idea if they work yet. However, they also don’t set up WR and RB screens very well at all. I mean how predictable it it when we see Diggs or Harty immediately looking for the ball. Everyone watching sees the simpleton play before it even happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 21 hours ago, Italian Bills said: I mean: why aren’t we able to run screen plays more often ? What’s the problem with that ? The timing is off, the line doesn't do a good job "selling it" meaning defenders are typically all over the RB/TE and the ball ends up in the dirt usually. Even watching yesterday there were a lot of "dirted" screens. Sure Houston scored on one, but if you aren't good at them to begin with, why would you call a play that is likely to not work or get called for an illegal man downfield penalty? Bills throw WR screens at times and they have had some success with them, and used to have great success with tunnel screens especially to John Brown for a few years on the "Gold Rip/Whip" audible. Have also seen a few TE screens work, but usually they are RPO plays it seems like even tho they are near the LOS. 12 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: The Rams kill with the WR screen. Used to be Cooper Kupp, now it’s Nuka. They catch it, see a hole, and sprint. It’s smart, the defense is either standing still, running towards you, or getting blocked immediately. Here’s the Bills problem: they can’t even catch these passes. We have no idea if they work yet. However, they also don’t set up WR and RB screens very well at all. I mean how predictable it it when we see Diggs or Harty immediately looking for the ball. Everyone watching sees the simpleton play before it even happens. Let' stop being silly, the Bills ran quite a few of these throughout the season and had some good success with them at times. If your definition of "working" means they are going to gain 10 yards+ every time they run the play or more that's just not realistic, no matter how good you are at them. Sure they have had some ones recently that haven't been great, but I can recall plenty of ones that picked up good yards or first downs earlier this year. Also used to be very good running tunnel screeens with John Brown when Allen would audible to "Gold Rip/Whip". Don't seem to run those too often anymore although I have seen a few times this year with varying results. Edited January 15 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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