Simon Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 If they call that series at that point with that much fear in the playoffs, it will bite them on the bippy. They have got to run their offense there and play for points, not start clock-watching with 6+ minutes left. McDermott, Brady and Allen should be prepared with a plan to be aggressive with a one score lead in the 4th qrtr or I think they'll regret it. 4 20 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I was screaming at my TV to not run the last tush push play they tried. It was a full yard. And Miami was playing it well at that point. I actually would have been fine with them attempting the Fournette wild cat play they showed prior to the timeout. 3 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 A bit more aggressive on first or second down so they don't have to necessarily do what they did on 3rd and 4th which were the right calls. 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 On another note, our running game with the backs was crap. What happened to the o-line tonight? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 to be fair, that “bobsled” tush-push had been pretty money for us this season (at least the latter half when we really started using it). Miami did a pretty good job against it in the 2nd half there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, Simon said: If they call that series at that point with that much fear in the playoffs, it will bite them on the bippy. They have got to run their offense there and play for points, not start clock-watching with 6+ minutes left. McDermott, Brady and Allen should be prepared with a plan to be aggressive with a one score lead in the 4th qrtr or I think they'll regret it. I agree with clock watching against Miami. They are exactly the type of offense that can score easily in a flash. I personally would have kicked the long field goal to try to take a 10 point lead but I had no issue with how we ran that drive up to that point 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: On another note, our running game with the backs was crap. What happened to the o-line tonight? Both Guards struggled at times, Knox missed multiple blocks and we got a clearer idea of what Gabe Davis does do for this offense. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: On another note, our running game with the backs was crap. What happened to the o-line tonight? O-line was fine. James Cook can't break a tackle if his life depended on it. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Disagree. They called that last 6 minutes fine. That’s what winning teams do. They grind down the last 4-6 minutes by keeping the ball on the ground and throwing safe passes. Ending with a kneel down. Bills were 4 inches away from doing exactly that. 9 1 7 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I was screaming at my TV to not run the last tush push play they tried. Same here. We can always count on half a yard from our tush push but that long yard we needed on 4th down was asking a lot. I kinda wonder what a boot leg from the tush push formation would look like. That last drive, I wish they put the ball in Allen’s hands every play. If the guy is open, throw it. If not, tell Allen to get a yard or two and get down. As Simon said, far too conservative play-calling. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 Just now, pennstate10 said: Disagree. They called that last 6 minutes fine. That’s what winning teams do. They grind down the last 4-6 minutes by keeping the ball on the ground and throwing safe passes. Ending with a kneel down. Bills were 4 inches away from doing exactly that. They were moving up and down the field at will most of the night. If they just call their offense I bet they end up taking that kneel down in the redzone instead of stalling outside reliable FG range. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, Simon said: Both Guards struggled at times, Knox missed multiple blocks and we got a clearer idea of what Gabe Davis does do for this offense. Davis managed to take out two guys on the huge Shakir screen which was impressive 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Just now, QB Bills said: O-line was fine. James Cook can't break a tackle if his life depended on it. Nah. He's been picking up tough yards all season. It's actually something that has really surprised me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I personally would have kicked the long field goal to try to take a 10 point lead but I had no issue with how we ran that drive up to that point That's a mighty long kick on grass. A far lower % than going for it, imo. 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, QB Bills said: O-line was fine. James Cook can't break a tackle if his life depended on it. None of the RBs had success (was there even a single good run the entire game that wasn't Allen improvising?). They couldn't get any push on 4th and 1 to end the game. The IOL gave up huge pressure in pass blocking all game as well. Torrence got beaten so badly that it led to the Allen fumble. The o-line definitely wasn't fine, especially the guards/center. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Just now, Simon said: That's a mighty long kick on grass. A far lower % than going for it, imo. Yeah, but we missed it anyway. At least trying the field goal is a shot at a 2 score game 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: A bit more aggressive on first or second down so they don't have to necessarily do what they did on 3rd and 4th which were the right calls. Exactly. There was hay to be made on early downs with Kincaid and Shakir on that drive. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, Simon said: If they call that series at that point with that much fear in the playoffs, it will bite them on the bippy. They have got to run their offense there and play for points, not start clock-watching with 6+ minutes left. McDermott, Brady and Allen should be prepared with a plan to be aggressive with a one score lead in the 4th qrtr or I think they'll regret it. Totally agree. Somewhat disappointed in how we treated that last 6 min. Josh's heroic 13 yard run was amazing but it was like Brady was terrified to call anything other than an A gap run on 1st down which got nothing. He just wanted to run clock over get the 10 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 minutes ago, Simon said: If they call that series at that point with that much fear in the playoffs, it will bite them on the bippy. They have got to run their offense there and play for points, not start clock-watching with 6+ minutes left. McDermott, Brady and Allen should be prepared with a plan to be aggressive with a one score lead in the 4th qrtr or I think they'll regret it. He was for it on 4th down 3 times and I agreed with all of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Yeah, but we missed it anyway. At least trying the field goal is a shot at a 2 score game The FG % is probably 60 at best. Getting a yard with a 250lb QB is probably better than 80%. And a 1stdown ends the game just as certainly. It was the right call. 2 minutes ago, JohnNord said: He was for it on 4th down 3 times and I agreed with all of them. I don't disagree. But a couple of them didn't need to happen in the first place. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, DapperCam said: None of the RBs had success (was there even a single good run the entire game that wasn't Allen improvising?). They couldn't get any push on 4th and 1 to end the game. The IOL gave up huge pressure in pass blocking all game as well. Torrence got beaten so badly that it led to the Allen fumble. The o-line definitely wasn't fine, especially the guards/center. Been rainy, slow track, bad traction. Other team deserves a little credit... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeam Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I wish they would run a play action roll out with Josh with the option to throw in the flat or run. It just felt that we went to the well to many times with that tush push. I really did appreciate the aggressive nature of McDermott though. We have to give him his roses for adapting. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 11 minutes ago, Simon said: If they call that series at that point with that much fear in the playoffs, it will bite them on the bippy. They have got to run their offense there and play for points, not start clock-watching with 6+ minutes left. McDermott, Brady and Allen should be prepared with a plan to be aggressive with a one score lead in the 4th qrtr or I think they'll regret it. Just now, Simon said: The FG % is probably 60 at best. Getting a yard with a 250lb QB is probably better than 80%. And a 1stdown ends the game just as certainly. It was the right call. I get what you’re saying on the first post, but what they did got them to a point where they had one play, with an 80% chance of working, and they can go to victory formation. I had mixed feelings on kick vs. go for it and honestly still do. Glad I didn’t have to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I still don’t understand why the clock stopped with no timeout taken after the 14 yard first down scramble. The explanation was the defensive holding call. Couldn’t they just decline the 5 yards to force the last timeout. That was a huge mistake by McD to not decline the penalty. Could have ran the clock way down before the 4th and 1. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 12 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: On another note, our running game with the backs was crap. What happened to the o-line tonight? Take away Cook's one 14 yard run and he had an awful night. We're not winning unless this area is improved (along with his drops).... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: I get what you’re saying on the first post, but what they did got them to a point where they had one play, with an 80% chance of working, and they can go to victory formation. I thought they were fortunate to even get it to that point and would have had a better chance to close out by continuing to do what they'd been doing successfully all night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: I agree with clock watching against Miami. They are exactly the type of offense that can score easily in a flash. I personally would have kicked the long field goal to try to take a 10 point lead but I had no issue with how we ran that drive up to that point Bills have not tried any recent long field goals recently. I was hoping they would get within Bass's FG range but it did not happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 9 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Yeah, but we missed it anyway. At least trying the field goal is a shot at a 2 score game I don't think Sean is allowing Bass to kick anything beyond 50 yards. So if you don't make it to the 33 it's Josh or something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 12 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: On another note, our running game with the backs was crap. What happened to the o-line tonight? The Dolphins knew when we were running - their pursuit on runs they looked like they knew at least 90 percent of the time. It’s not always the RB or the line. We didn’t dial up good run plays at the right time. And I truly think there is some tell when Knox is on the field and Kincaid is off. The Oline has to be telegraphing it too. Someone leans too much or something. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 20 minutes ago, Simon said: If they call that series at that point with that much fear in the playoffs, it will bite them on the bippy. They have got to run their offense there and play for points, not start clock-watching with 6+ minutes left. McDermott, Brady and Allen should be prepared with a plan to be aggressive with a one score lead in the 4th qrtr or I think they'll regret it. I get the play…you make the 1st it’s kneel downs and you win. A punt might mean the ball moves 17 yards down the field. They were also up by 7. they got the ball and wanted to burn the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Just now, Simon said: I thought they were fortunate to even get it to that point and would have had a better chance to close out by continuing to do what they'd been doing successfully all night. The one run by Allen was amazing so you have a point, but what they had been running all night produced a few turnovers as well. A few play action quick hit low risk outside throws to someone not named Cook sprinkled in to keep them honest would have been good. I also feel like McD felt like he had their number and 7 was a big lead. Not sure I agree with him completely on that but it worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: A few play action quick hit low risk outside throws to someone not named Cook sprinkled in to keep them honest would have been good. That's all I wanted a few times on early downs and I think it would have carried them right down the field. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 16 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Yeah, but we missed it anyway. At least trying the field goal is a shot at a 2 score game The FG would have been 53+ yards…that's not a gimmie snd thry likely talked to bass on making FGs and his distance. If he said I’m a little sore and I don’t think I can kick 50+ today affects the call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I think a lot of those calls are rpos and he’s playing them very cautiously to avoid an incompletion which is how I’d play it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 34 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I was screaming at my TV to not run the last tush push play they tried. It was a full yard. And Miami was playing it well at that point. I actually would have been fine with them attempting the Fournette wild cat play they showed prior to the timeout. I would liked to see a fake and Allen running QB Power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 He needs to start going to his right. Everyone knows he is going left. On the last one, he tried to jump like it was at the goal line Stay on your feet and let the OLine keep pushing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 We have gotten good at running out the clock running the football. But I think 6:22 was too much time for that strategy. That said, had we gotten the 4th and 1 it would have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: He needs to start going to his right. Everyone knows he is going left. On the last one, he tried to jump like it was at the goal line Stay on your feet and let the OLine keep pushing! The jump may have got it honestly that was realllly close. It may have been a tiny amount short but the spot was bad regardless Edited January 8 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: A bit more aggressive on first or second down so they don't have to necessarily do what they did on 3rd and 4th which were the right calls. Exactly. I didn’t understand not using regular running plays instead of Josh running parallel to LOS and sliding to avoid going out of bounds and not gaining much. I’ve not seen any team do that with so much time on the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 The tush push is pretty much always the right call unless your QB is tiny. Run it every time until the league bans it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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