Bills at Chargers, Game Week Thread Sat. 8 pm on Peacock (7 pm for us Flyover Folks)

[Einstein]

29 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

We lost because Josh Reed got called for a very shaky OPI right when the Bills were on the verge of going up 24-16. Ryan Lindell then missed a 28 yard FG. 3:03 mark of the third quarter: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200501020buf.htm. A TD there and they win the game.

 

Sorry, but i’m not a “blame the ref” guy. It’s lame.

 

Our QB held the ball for 4+ seconds and literally fumbled INTO THE ARMS of the Pitt defender, who returned it for a Touchdown.

 

Definitely not blaming the ref after that happened.

[Process]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

Weird.  In McD's presser today he said AJE wouldn't be playing.

I didn't see the press conference but from the reports I saw Hyde was the only one ruled out and AJ himself said he'd likely be a game time decision. 

 

I am assuming he won't play but the fact that he's saying that and he's questionable makes me think back next week. 

[balln]

7 minutes ago, Process said:

Jones and AJ both being questionable is a huge W. Looks like they'll both be back by NE and than hopefully close to full go for Miami or playoffs.

 

 

weird. That shorter practices in full. But is OUT. And kaiir practice in full and is QUESTIONABLE. 
 

so weird

[SWATeam]

Just now, Process said:

I didn't see the press conference but from the reports I saw Hyde was the only one ruled out and AJ himself said he'd likely be a game time decision. 

 

I am assuming he won't play but the fact that he's saying that and he's questionable makes me think back next week. 

McD didn't state it in the beginning like the others.  But when asked specifically about him later he said he didn't expect AJE to play.

1 minute ago, balln said:

weird. That shorter practices in full. But is OUT. And kaiir practice in full and is QUESTIONABLE. 
 

so weird

The decision on them is if they want to activate them.  And then they we need to make another roster move.

[bobobonators]

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

 

Many of you are too young to remember the 2005 Steelers game. All we needed was a win to make the playoffs; the Bills were on a five-game winning streak. The Steelers had clinched a playoff spot and made it known early in the week they were sitting their starters--which they did--and we still lost 29-24.

 

Never count your wins before the game is played!

I remember. That team didn’t have 25% of the talent this team does. coaching staff was not as good either. 
 

Bills 35 Chargers 10

 

Starters sit in the 4th, again. 😊

[JGMcD2]

7 minutes ago, balln said:

weird. That shorter practices in full. But is OUT. And kaiir practice in full and is QUESTIONABLE. 
 

so weird

My guess is Elam is activated from the IR and takes Phillips spot? Shorter won’t be activated so he’s out? 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

My guess is Elam is activated from the IR and takes Phillips spot? Shorter won’t be activated so he’s out? 

 

Poona will take Phillips spot (on the game day actives).

Edited December 21, 2023 by Einstein

[Straight Hucklebuck]

10 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

My guess is Elam is activated from the IR and takes Phillips spot? Shorter won’t be activated so he’s out? 

Germaine Ifedi, Jordan Phillips and Damar Hamlin would open up

spots for Elam (kicking Cam into Corner/Safety #4), DaQuan Jones straight up for Phillips. 
 

They haven’t put Hyde on IR, so he’s going to give it one last run here. 

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Poona will take Phillips spot.

Poona is already on the active roster. 

Edited December 21, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Einstein]

17 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

Poona is already on the active roster. 

 

I was talking about gameday actives.

 

Not 53 man roster.

 

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Edited December 21, 2023 by Einstein

[dave mcbride]

24 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Sorry, but i’m not a “blame the ref” guy. It’s lame.

 

Our QB held the ball for 4+ seconds and literally fumbled INTO THE ARMS of the Pitt defender, who returned it for a Touchdown.

 

Definitely not blaming the ref after that happened.

I get that, but it was a key play. I remember it VIVIDLY. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I hadn't heard anything about Phillips being on IR?

 

EDIT: Apparently he is. That means he's out for the rest of the regular season. Back for playoffs?

Edited December 21, 2023 by WhitewalkerInPhilly

[Matt_In_NH]

3 hours ago, Fred Slacks said:

I know Jordan had a sack last week but I think he has played like butt all season.  Addition by subtraction with him going on IR in my opinion.

 

Not sure I disagree but they are going to replace him with a a worse player, so not sure how you get the addition part.

[FLFan]

3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I hadn't heard anything about Phillips being on IR?

They made that move today.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

2 minutes ago, FLFan said:

They made that move today.

In my mind that tells me that Jones is ready to start sooner rather than later. Maybe not this week, but soon.

[Einstein]

13 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I hadn't heard anything about Phillips being on IR?

 

EDIT: Apparently he is. That means he's out for the rest of the regular season. Back for playoffs?

 

Just happened.

 

I didn’t realize he did either.

 

24 hours ago it was labeled as a minor surgery and that he would be coming back for the Miami game… to now him not being available until the divisional round of the playoffs.

 

Almost makes you wonder if the coaching staff doesn’t want him to play.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Einstein

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Just happened.

 

I didn’t realize he did either.

 

Not sure how we went from a minor surgery and coming back for the Miami game, to not being available until the divisional round of the playoffs in only 24 hours.

That's what makes me think that Jones is expected to be back sooner than later. If they think he's good to go, then there is no doubt that he's an upgrade.

[Process]

Just saw Keenan Allen is out. It's very hard to imagine Easton Stick moving the ball on this defense. 

 

With the travel/short week/chargers potentially playing hard after embarrassing loss, I could see the offense not being as sharp this week. But I have to imagine 15+ points wins you the game. 

 

With that said I also wouldn't be shocked to see us put up 50.

[Steptide]

3 minutes ago, Process said:

Just saw Keenan Allen is out. It's very hard to imagine Easton Stick moving the ball on this defense. 

 

With the travel/short week/chargers potentially playing hard after embarrassing loss, I could see the offense not being as sharp this week. But I have to imagine 15+ points wins you the game. 

 

With that said I also wouldn't be shocked to see us put up 50.

I can't see the bills losing this game, but we've seen some terrible losses by this team over the years. Reminds me of the bills/jags game a few years back when we lost 9-6, but our o line was decimated for that game. 

[BillsFooteball]

Even being pessimistic and anything can happen… bills win big. This is the least concerned I’ve been about a game all season. Bills fighting for playoff spot and weather will be no impact going against chargers who have no home crowd advantage. Most importantly a healthy charger team is above average but they will be playing without QB and WR1 (2 best players they have on offense), WR2 and 1st or 2nd best player on defense (depending where rank bosa). I’m far more concerned about other games that could benefit than the actual bills game itself. Not sure if I ever said that before. 

[Beck Water]

53 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

My guess is Elam is activated from the IR and takes Phillips spot? Shorter won’t be activated so he’s out? 

 

Why would they activate Elam from IR to take Phillips spot?  Wouldn't it make more sense to activate DaQuan Jones, since they went so far as to list him as "questionable"?

 

Slightly related question:

Does anyone know the deadlines for practice squad elevation and for declaring inactives, for a Saturday nite game?

Thanks.  I'm thinking they'll elevate Eli Ankou and possibly Fournette.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Beck Water

[Kirby Jackson]

With Herbert and Allen ruled out the Bills margin for error has increased quite a bit. I was worried, at the schedule release, that this game would be a trap. I’m not sure that the Chargers have enough firepower even if the Bills bring their “C” game. I’m hoping for the “A” game obviously but feel pretty good about this one now. I don’t expect the Bills to dominate like last week. I don’t expect the Chargers to roll over like last week. I’m thinking something like 31-20. 
 

[Beck Water]

https://www.buffalobills.com/team/injury-report/

 

Bosa has apparently had his practice window open to return from IR, but has a game status "out".

Keenan Allen out as expected.

 

Surprised by DaQuan Jones listed as "questionable" despite limited participation in today's practice.  My guess would be today went well for Jones after practicing yesterday, and they think he's very close if not there - so they went ahead and put Phillips on IR to make room for him.

45 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I hadn't heard anything about Phillips being on IR?

 

EDIT: Apparently he is. That means he's out for the rest of the regular season. Back for playoffs?

 

4 games on IR for Phillips.  So he isn't eligible to play in the WC round.  Per Sal C.

 

 

[AKC]

2 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Physicality? Like when he gets muscled all game long and is a giant liability in the run game? I don't think I've ever seen such a soft large human in my life. He used to add quickness/agility in the pass rush, but even that has sucked this season aside from last week. 

 

 

 

He has been a career long liability against the run, not for lack of enthusiasm but due to his high center of gravity. Reminds me of John McCargo- sort of a Weebles Wobble body type. When he's healthy he has good feet and it allows him at his size to be effective as a pass rusher. He's an asset as a #3DT and he gives some flexibility against some offenses but he just can't make up for that playing high/tackling high in the run game. His emotional side has some yin and yeng to it too- he sometimes is so fast to celebrate that he misses the end of plays.

Edited December 21, 2023 by AKC

[Cash]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

How young do you think the crowd here is?

Yes, the Steelers had some backups in. But they were VERY GOOD backups. 

James Harrison, an All-Pro and potential HOFer.
 

Willie Parker, who had three straight thousand yard seasons and multiple pro-bowlers, after that game.

Antwaan Randle El.

Tommy Maddox.

 

etc.

We lost that game because our statue of a QB fumbled and the Steelers returned it for a TD.

 

 

That game has such a weird reputation around it.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Steelers leave their starting O-line in for the entire game?  As you pointed out, them playing their 3rd string RB was actually a massive upgrade for them, and Fast Willie Parker capitalized on that game to have a role in the playoffs that year, then went on to be their starting RB for years afterward.  Likewise James Harrison - playing "the Steelers backups" was in some ways harder than playing their starters!  Obviously not Tommy Maddox so much, but still.

 

I also think that Bills team was somewhat overrated by their winning streak of blowouts against terrible teams that had given up on the season.  I'm not saying they sucked, but those blowouts made us look elite in DVOA and other analytics, and I never felt like we were elite that year.  Really just a marginal playoff team with good talent and subpar coaching.

 

18 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Why would they activate Elam from IR to take Phillips spot?  Wouldn't it make more sense to activate DaQuan Jones, since they went so far as to list him as "questionable"?

 

Slightly related question:

Does anyone know the deadlines for practice squad elevation and for declaring inactives, for a Saturday nite game?

Thanks.  I'm thinking they'll elevate Eli Ankou and possibly Fournette.

 

I'm with you on thinking Fournette will be elevated.  You get 3 for the regular season and unlimited in the playoffs, right?  With Ty Johnson banged up, it would make a ton of sense to have Fournette active, even if it's just insurance in case Johnson aggravates the injury in game.

 

DaQuan getting activated and taking Phillips' roster spot makes a ton of sense and would be awesome.  For some reason, my gut says that DaQuan doesn't play for at least another week, but fingers crossed.

[dakrider]

I hope the Bills can handle the raucous crowd the Chargers bring!  😁

[Gregg]

Just now, dakrider said:

I hope the Bills can handle the raucous crowd the Chargers bring!  😁

 

Will the Chargers be able to handle to raucous Bills Mafia at Sofi. It's going to be like a road game for them.

[Bigvinny]

28 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

With Herbert and Allen ruled out the Bills margin for error has increased quite a bit. I was worried, at the schedule release, that this game would be a trap. I’m not sure that the Chargers have enough firepower even if the Bills bring their “C” game. I’m hoping for the “A” game obviously but feel pretty good about this one now. I don’t expect the Bills to dominate like last week. I don’t expect the Chargers to roll over like last week. I’m thinking something like 31-20. 
 

How do they score 20 without Herbert and Allen ?

[Rubes]

31 minutes ago, Cash said:

 

That game has such a weird reputation around it.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Steelers leave their starting O-line in for the entire game?  As you pointed out, them playing their 3rd string RB was actually a massive upgrade for them, and Fast Willie Parker capitalized on that game to have a role in the playoffs that year, then went on to be their starting RB for years afterward.  Likewise James Harrison - playing "the Steelers backups" was in some ways harder than playing their starters!  Obviously not Tommy Maddox so much, but still.

 

I also think that Bills team was somewhat overrated by their winning streak of blowouts against terrible teams that had given up on the season.  I'm not saying they sucked, but those blowouts made us look elite in DVOA and other analytics, and I never felt like we were elite that year.  Really just a marginal playoff team with good talent and subpar coaching.

 

 

I'm with you on thinking Fournette will be elevated.  You get 3 for the regular season and unlimited in the playoffs, right?  With Ty Johnson banged up, it would make a ton of sense to have Fournette active, even if it's just insurance in case Johnson aggravates the injury in game.

 

DaQuan getting activated and taking Phillips' roster spot makes a ton of sense and would be awesome.  For some reason, my gut says that DaQuan doesn't play for at least another week, but fingers crossed.

 

I don't think they activate DaQuon. I think they take it slow with him for now. He has a 21-day window, so there is no need to hurry it. I think they activate him next week and he gets a few live reps against the Pats****. I think they roll this week with Poona.

 

As for Ty, I wouldn't be surprised to see them rest the shoulder this week, get him back to full health if possible. No need to push it, they still have Murray. Get Fournette in there to get a few reps, maybe, like you say.

 

I'm going to guess Phillips's roster spot will be taken by Elam, but it needs to be someone who can play special teams. Curious they listed him as Questionable after being a full participant...

 

[CaliBills]

LOTS of tickets up for sale still for the game. As low as $39 per ticket for upper section.

Wish I could go this year as I try to make it to at least one close game a year of where i might be, whether in Socal or FL or whatever.

 

I am sure Bills Mafia will basically have it as a home stadium for the Bills!

[Success]

This is such a "take care of business" game.  As many have said - w/ the Chargers' injuries, there are simply no excuses.

 

Honestly, if we lose, I'll be disappointed - but it will be proof positive that we don't deserve anything this year.

 

But the good news is that we won't lose.  This team has found their identity with Brady at OC.  This will be a great Saturday night showcase to let the league know we're really back, and gearing up for a good run.

 

[North Buffalo]

As long as the Bills dont play like the Sabres against Easton Stick... 

Edited December 21, 2023 by North Buffalo

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, Process said:

Just saw Keenan Allen is out. It's very hard to imagine Easton Stick moving the ball on this defense. 

 

With the travel/short week/chargers potentially playing hard after embarrassing loss, I could see the offense not being as sharp this week. But I have to imagine 15+ points wins you the game. 

 

With that said I also wouldn't be shocked to see us put up 50.

It'd be nice but if we're shutting them down defensively and take a commanding lead the score would probably be similar to the Dallas game maybe a bit more. Main thing is when we win with a commanding lead with the run game working like it is we run out the clock. Hope we have a game like that, have to stay focused every game is necessary now.

[ColoradoBills]

5 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Physicality? Like when he gets muscled all game long and is a giant liability in the run game? I don't think I've ever seen such a soft large human in my life. He used to add quickness/agility in the pass rush, but even that has sucked this season aside from last week. 

 

 

 

Really?  In your life!  Are you going to go to the mattresses with that hot take?

[JGMcD2]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Why would they activate Elam from IR to take Phillips spot?  Wouldn't it make more sense to activate DaQuan Jones, since they went so far as to list him as "questionable"?

 

Slightly related question:

Does anyone know the deadlines for practice squad elevation and for declaring inactives, for a Saturday nite game?

Thanks.  I'm thinking they'll elevate Eli Ankou and possibly Fournette.

I’m purely speculating here, but Elam had his practice window open on December 6th. He is over two weeks into his 3 week window to be activated. It’s about time to make a decision - Elam being listed as questionable leaves the door open to activation from IR.
 

Phillips being placed on the IR opens a spot on the 53. That spot in my mind is filled by Elam right now because you have Poona Ford or Eli Ankou (as you stated) to make active to replace Phillips. I wouldn’t add Ankou to the 53 because you subject him to waivers whenever you decide to remove him. 

 

Jones was just activated on Monday/Tuesday and we know that he won’t necessarily be ready until next week at the earliest, so it’s not time to have him occupy an active roster spot just yet. When Jones is ready I bet they move on from Poona Ford.
 

It’s simply a timing thing in my mind. I don’t necessarily think Elam will be active this week, but they’ll want him available down the stretch here… Shorter will likely have his season end after this 3 week practice session wraps up. He can begin to focus on taking Sherfield’s spot in 2024. 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2023 by JGMcD2

[North Buffalo]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Will the Chargers be able to handle to raucous Bills Mafia at Sofi. It's going to be like a road game for them.

Lots of Bills bars in LA... load it up Bills fans

[Beck Water]

40 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

I’m purely speculating here, but Elam had his practice window open on December 6th. He is over two weeks into his 3 week window to be activated. It’s about time to make a decision - Elam being listed as questionable leaves the door open to activation from IR.
 

Phillips being placed on the IR opens a spot on the 53. That spot in my mind is filled by Elam right now because you have Poona Ford or Eli Ankou (as you stated) to make active to replace Phillips. I wouldn’t add Ankou to the 53 because you subject him to waivers whenever you decide to remove him. 

 

Jones was just activated on Monday/Tuesday and we know that he won’t necessarily be ready until next week at the earliest, so it’s not time to have him occupy an active roster spot just yet. When Jones is ready I bet they move on from Poona Ford.
 

It’s simply a timing thing in my mind. I don’t necessarily think Elam will be active this week, but they’ll want him available down the stretch here… Shorter will likely have his season end after this 3 week practice session wraps up. He can begin to focus on taking Sherfield’s spot in 2024.

 

Fair enough.  I was thinking they might want to get DaQuan just a few game reps before they try to depend on him.  Which means you want Poona on the roster to get 30-40% of the snaps while you ease DaQuan in with 10 or so reps.  Cutting ties with Poona means you're depending on DaQuan to be full go all game before you see him take a snap. 

 

That's why I thought DaQuan first, bring Elam up later made sense.  You've still got a week on Elam.

[JGMcD2]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

Fair enough.  I was thinking they might want to get DaQuan just a few game reps before they try to depend on him.  Which means you want Poona on the roster to get 30-40% of the snaps while you ease DaQuan in with 10 or so reps.  Cutting ties with Poona means you're depending on DaQuan to be full go all game before you see him take a snap. 

 

That's why I thought DaQuan first, bring Elam up later made sense.  You've still got a week on Elam.

Is there room for both Jones and Ford at once? Ford takes Phillips spot, who would be inactive to allow Jones to be active? 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

3 hours ago, dakrider said:

I hope the Bills can handle the raucous crowd the Chargers bring!  😁

Hey, the Bills do fine in Orchard Park, I don't think having a majority of Bills fans in attendance will be a problem

[Beck Water]

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

Is there room for both Jones and Ford at once? Ford takes Phillips spot, who would be inactive to allow Jones to be active? 

 

They've been keeping 9 DL active, 5 DE and 4 DT.   I was thinking under the circs, they might consider rolling with 4 DE.  When he's active, Kingsley Jonathan has been mostly a ST guy, gets single digit defensive snaps (and a lot of ST).  So if you give DaQuan Jones those snaps and run with 4 DE you can activate both Jones and Ford.  Does depend on stuff I don't know, like how well they like Ford on ST vs Jonathan, and that probably neither of us know - like how likely Leonard Floyd is to get through the entire game.

 

And wouldn't the same argument go for Elam?  Why put him on the 53 man this week unless we're going to activate him, and if we activate him, whose spot would he take?

[YoloinOhio]

I still have ptsd from when we went out there with Nate peterman, yes I realize this was a very long time ago