Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas

[YoloinOhio]

17 minutes ago, Magox said:

Assuming the Bills release him, in order for some of Von's contract to be voided out, does there have to be an official suspension from the league, or how does that work?

 

And what are the salary cap implications?

If he’s suspended by the league under the personal conduct policy the bills can get out of his contract 

[DapperCam]

9 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Anyone else notice that the magic seemed to be gone once Von Miller got here? Last year seemed off and this year is weird. I miss 2019-2021 when we were explosive on offense and were a turnover machine on defense 

I think last year being off had to do somewhat with Dorsey. He has no feel for the game, and even when the offense put up points things felt out of sorts.

 

I also think the weight of expectations has made things less “fun”. 2020-2021 I think people were just happy to be contenders and get their first taste of success. Players seemed loose and having a good time.

[DasNootz]

10 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Sitting Miller or losing him for the rest of the season is immaterial in my mind.  He is terrible and doesn't warrant getting a roster spot on game days.  

 

My interest in this story begins and ends with, AND IF, we have the ability to terminate his K and get out of salary cap hell with what is a disastrously bad deal.  That's the prize here.

 

The remainder of the year is neither here or there.

 

 

This is spot on - we get the same production and expense either way - if anything, I’d rather have AJE and Groot get more reps this season.  
 

Strictly business - the best thing possible for the organization is to terminate the contract if possible.  It’s not a good look for anyone, but it speeds up the “retool” process.  Had he not torn his ACL last year the conversation may be different.
 

 

Edited December 2, 2023 by DasNootz

[Dillenger4]

He has been arrested and charged, paid $5000 bail. What more is the NFL waiting for? This is not saying he is guilty but he HAS broken the conduct law and can be suspended pending further review. DO IT. But Goodell and the old boys club will never do it.... too much Ol' south BS involved.

[WotAGuy]

I would love to hear the conversation that the Bills have with Von over this.

Is it “WTFVon??”

 

or “Did you hurt your knee stomping that laptop, because we have an injury release on the table for you”

 

I have so many questions…..

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Dubie54 said:

I would think that his contract has a clause in it which allows the Bills to walk away and limit their cap exposure significantly. If not, that’s on the Bills FO. You don’t sign a guy with a checkered history to a deal that big without protection.

There isn’t a whole lot of history of NFL contracts being voided or having relief based on off field behavior. People keep saying this like it’s common place and it’s not. 

Teams eat contracts and cap dollars all the time when players turn out to be total POS. 
 

Best bet for cap relief is for Von to retire, take a cap friendly buyout, and disappear silently. 

Edited December 2, 2023 by Mango

[DasNootz]

5 minutes ago, Mango said:

There isn’t a whole lot of history of NFL contracts being voided or having relief based on off field behavior. People keep saying this like it’s common place and it’s not. 

Teams eat contracts and cap dollars all the time when players turn out to be total POS. 
 

Best bet for cap relief is for Von to retire, take a cap friendly buyout, and disappear silently. 

There’s even less evidence that Von will do something silently. 

[RiotAct]

4 hours ago, Billy Claude said:

 

That's a bit unfair.  The Bills looked great after the first five or six games last season.

 

I think you meant “for”, not “after”.

[Wayne Arnold]

10 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Anyone else notice that the magic seemed to be gone once Von Miller got here? Last year seemed off and this year is weird. I miss 2019-2021 when we were explosive on offense and were a turnover machine on defense 

 

No. The magic is gone every time they lose a playoff game in devastating fashion. Nothing to do with Miller.

[boyst]

1 hour ago, WotAGuy said:

I would love to hear the conversation that the Bills have with Von over this.

Is it “WTFVon??”

 

or “Did you hurt your knee stomping that laptop, because we have an injury release on the table for you”

 

I have so many questions…..

That would be an incredible play to make. Injury settlement. It would have to be a ton. He has no reason to take it. Regardless of what this has to do with my following statement:

 

He has no class or care for decency. In his rookie year with the whole rookie wage deal he had many alarming statements. He said it was good for everyone knowing he is likely to get a high paying second contract, he and drew brees talked about older players needkng to save their money. He has failed NFL drug tests, tried to pass of fake urine, been involved in a few DV cases, personifies a diva (more than Diggs), and is a complete tool.

 

Personally, I dislike him and never wanted him here. He's always been hoaky to me. I hope we can get out of his contract and ditch him ASAP. 

 

Regarding this case: I hope he is innocent and the woman made this all up and was always safe. I hope he didn't offer her money, intimidate or interfere with her denying all of this. I hope all of this is legally settled properly and he is innocent and treated as innocent. 

 

He won't take an injury settlement. He is too shrewd. He will force the hand and his greedy selfish ass will get paid. He's gonna end up like Ray Lewis. Everyone knows he is a piece of ***** but... Oh well.

[WotAGuy]

I don’t know how many children are involved, but my heart goes out to them given how dysfunctional their parents sound. 

[peterpan]

On 12/1/2023 at 11:17 AM, Mango said:

 

Don't forget the part where it was recorded and that recording was given to the police. 

I would be curious what league officials, Von's attorney, and agent were doing at the time the text message to the news was sent. 

Where are you all getting this info?  
 

what text?

where is the story about the gf recanting?  Google machine doesn’t have it. 

[Fan in Chicago]

13 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

 

 

My interest in this story begins and ends with, AND IF, we have the ability to terminate his K and get out of salary cap hell with what is a disastrously bad deal.  That's the prize here.

 

The remainder of the year is neither here or there.

 

 

Part of me thinks that Kraft will fill Goodell's ears to NOT suspend Miller so the Bills can't get out of the contract. 

[WotAGuy]

3 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Part of me thinks that Kraft will fill Goodell's ears to NOT suspend Miller so the Bills can't get out of the contract. 

Pegula will be pushing 10x as hard for a suspension. 

[Magox]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

If he’s suspended by the league under the personal conduct policy the bills can get out of his contract 

I didn't even know you were back.  Welcome back!

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

If he’s suspended by the league under the personal conduct policy the bills can get out of his contract 

 

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

I didn't even know you were back.  Welcome back!

 

Me either. Good to see you, Yolo. Glad all is well with you. 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

That would be an incredible play to make. Injury settlement. It would have to be a ton. He has no reason to take it. Regardless of what this has to do with my following statement:

 

He has no class or care for decency. In his rookie year with the whole rookie wage deal he had many alarming statements. He said it was good for everyone knowing he is likely to get a high paying second contract, he and drew brees talked about older players needkng to save their money. He has failed NFL drug tests, tried to pass of fake urine, been involved in a few DV cases, personifies a diva (more than Diggs), and is a complete tool.

 

Personally, I dislike him and never wanted him here. He's always been hoaky to me. I hope we can get out of his contract and ditch him ASAP. 

 

Regarding this case: I hope he is innocent and the woman made this all up and was always safe. I hope he didn't offer her money, intimidate or interfere with her denying all of this. I hope all of this is legally settled properly and he is innocent and treated as innocent. 

 

He won't take an injury settlement. He is too shrewd. He will force the hand and his greedy selfish ass will get paid. He's gonna end up like Ray Lewis. Everyone knows he is a piece of ***** but... Oh well.

His shrewdness gives me hope that he takes some sort of haircut to end this mess.  Assuming this all shakes out against Miller and the guarantees are voided, the Bills could take the hit amongst the players (both in terms of those who are here and those who they may wish to recruit in the future), give Miller a hearty handshake, keep the $10m guaranteed for next year, and send him on his way post-June 1.  The other option might be to cut a deal whereby Miller gets a little bit of cash to perhaps add some void years to the contract to make the cap hit for unpaid monies ($23m, I believe) more manageable.  He gets more cash than he otherwise would, we get cap relief, and the optics (to the players' eyes) are better for the organization. 

Edited December 2, 2023 by SectionC3

[Buddy Hix]

Von also had to settle a suit for revenge porn…he’s a total POS.

 

Beane really screwed the pooch with this signing.

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

So the Bye week is almost over.. is he showing up for work this week?

[boyst]

18 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

So the Bye week is almost over.. is he showing up for work this week?

Has he shown up the last 11 weeks?

 

2 combined tackles. 1 assist

[balln]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

If he’s suspended by the league under the personal conduct policy the bills can get out of his contract 

 I heard from cover one - Only a portion. The guaranteed portion and I think it’s year to year

[TampaBillsJunkie]

4 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

I have so many questions…..

This!  We all do. This is really bad. 

[Billy Claude]

The league won't do anything unless the woman changes her story.  Look at Frank Gore.  He was accused of dragging a woman naked across a hotel hallway,  pled guilty to a reduced charges of violating the public health code and then the 49ers hired him for the front office.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Billy Claude

[Charles Romes]

Sounds like all that has to happen for the Bills to void Von’s contract (meaning zero cap hit for 2024) is Goodell suspending Von for 1 single game. Is that correct?  

[Mango]

2 hours ago, peterpan said:

Where are you all getting this info?  
 

what text?

where is the story about the gf recanting?  Google machine doesn’t have it. 

The recording is noted in the body of most of the early articles.

 

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/von-millers-pregnant-girlfriend-accuses-him-of-pushing-her-putting-his-hands-on-her-neck/3400461/?amp=1

 

She texted a local news station a day later to say this was a nothing burger.

 

https://www.wfaa.com/amp/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0

Just now, Charles Romes said:

Sounds like all that has to happen for the Bills to void Von’s contract (meaning zero cap hit for 2024) is Goodell suspending Von for 1 single game. Is that correct?  

Is there a source on this?

 

 Vick, Ruggs, Hernandez all came with cap hits. If Von’s contract gets voided it would be an NFL first. 

[Charles Romes]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

The recording is noted in the body of most of the early articles.

 

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/von-millers-pregnant-girlfriend-accuses-him-of-pushing-her-putting-his-hands-on-her-neck/3400461/?amp=1

 

She texted a local news station a day later to say this was a nothing burger.

 

https://www.wfaa.com/amp/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0

Is there a source on this?

 

 Vick, Ruggs, Hernandez all came with cap hits. If Von’s contract gets voided it would be an NFL first. 

 
no source. I’m trying to figure it out

[Charles Romes]

37 minutes ago, Mango said:

The recording is noted in the body of most of the early articles.

 

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/von-millers-pregnant-girlfriend-accuses-him-of-pushing-her-putting-his-hands-on-her-neck/3400461/?amp=1

 

She texted a local news station a day later to say this was a nothing burger.

 

https://www.wfaa.com/amp/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0

Is there a source on this?

 

 Vick, Ruggs, Hernandez all came with cap hits. If Von’s contract gets voided it would be an NFL first. 

If renegotiating by Rodgers can change the cap hit of the Rodgers contract I would think triggering of a void provision in the Von contract can change the cap hit of the Von contract. 

[zow2]

23 hours ago, JohnNord said:

The problem with the reaction to this case is people have made up their minds with such limited information.  
 

First everyone assumed the allegations in the police report were 100% true - this is not always the case.

 

Then when his girlfriend publicly denied the claims in the report, people automatically assumed she changed her story out of fear.

 

None of us has the knowledge or information to make a decision either way, yet so many have made their minds up.  A sad commentary on the knee jerk reactions these days  
 

 

Even though the victim denied the documentation?  People just will believe anything to suit their narrative 

 

Follow the money. Once this became a national story the victim knew her monthly stipend…, the golden egg known as Von could potentially be ended. So she backtracks..”nothing to see here” “it was a misunderstanding” “y’all can stop bothering us now”.  

Follow the money. Always.

 

[CowgirlsFan]

Terrible just Terrible.

Another he said she said situation.

No one really wins on these.

[Breakout Squad]

8 minutes ago, CowgirlsFan said:

Terrible just Terrible.

Another he said she said situation.

No one really wins on these.

Thought you were going for a haiku there. In seriousness, Miller needs to just go away. What a bum. 

[Bob Jones]

17 minutes ago, CowgirlsFan said:

Terrible just Terrible.

Another he said she said situation.

No one really wins on these.

Apparently, sometime during the melee, she started recording on her phone and then put it in her pocket, so that recording will take precedence over what they both say now. Also, there's the matter of the cops seeing injuries on her body shortly after the fight.

 

If you've read a bunch of pages of this thread, the bottom line is that Von is done (in the NFL) and he may be going to jail. And in Texas, it doesn't matter if the victim does not want to cooperate, they can & will prosecute the case if they feel that they have enough evidence.

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Apparently, sometime during the melee, she started recording on her phone and then put it in her pocket, so that recording will take precedence over what they both say now. Also, there's the matter of the cops seeing injuries on her body shortly after the fight.

 

If you've read a bunch of pages of this thread, the bottom line is that Von is done (in the NFL) and he may be going to jail. And in Texas, it doesn't matter if the victim does not want to cooperate, they can & will prosecute the case if they feel that they have enough evidence.

this is all speculation

[Wayne Arnold]

30 minutes ago, CowgirlsFan said:

Terrible just Terrible.

Another he said she said situation.

No one really wins on these.

 

Except it's not a "he said, she said" situation.

 

There's way more evidence than that.

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

this is all speculation

 

Police reports and record 911 calls are not speculation. They are evidence of a crime.

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

If renegotiating by Rodgers can change the cap hit of the Rodgers contract I would think triggering of a void provision in the Von contract can change the cap hit of the Von contract. 

Rodgers renegotiating his own contract is way different.

 

As far as I know there is no contract in league history that was every voided based on any morality or behavior clauses. Like I said early Hernandez, Ruggs, AP, Vick, all carried cap hits for their teams. 
 

My best guess is Von retires and negotiates some sort of settlement.
 

But the idea that Von signed a contract up front that would void his entire deal based on off field behavior is a pipe dream. It’s never happened…ever.

[Chaos]

33 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Except it's not a "he said, she said" situation.

 

There's way more evidence than that.

 

Police reports and record 911 calls are not speculation. They are evidence of a crime.

So you aleady know 1) what the prosecutors have decided to do 2)what the jury will decide if they prosecute 3) the NFL has already determined to kick Miller out of the league. Very weird that you are part of all of those discussions. 

[CheshireCT]

Court of public opinion is always a mess. The media always goes for the most sensational story, and then you get the he said she said. I’m absolutely no fan of domestic violence, but none of us knows a damn thing about what went on in that house. And we probably never will know!!

[Wayne Arnold]

6 minutes ago, Chaos said:

So you aleady know 1) what the prosecutors have decided to do 2)what the jury will decide if they prosecute 3) the NFL has already determined to kick Miller out of the league. Very weird that you are part of all of those discussions. 

 

When did I say that? Two of those three things are up to the players involved in the chaotic game of the American justice system - and then you never know what Goodell and the NFL will want to do.

 

My point is that there's a difference between speculation ("he said, she said") and police reports / recorded 911 calls.

[Chaos]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

When did I say that? Two of those three things are up to the players involved in the chaotic game of the American justice system - and then you never know what Goodell and the NFL will want to do.

 

My point is that there's a difference between speculation ("he said, she said") and police reports / recorded 911 calls.

I posted that all of those things were speculation.  then you responded to me that it was not speculation. Keep up with your own posts. 

[Wayne Arnold]

9 minutes ago, Chaos said:

I posted that all of those things were speculation.  then you responded to me that it was not speculation. Keep up with your own posts. 

 

You called these three things (from @Bob Jones ) speculation:

 

1. Apparently, sometime during the melee, she started recording on her phone and then put it in her pocket, so that recording will take precedence over what they both say now.

2. Also, there's the matter of the cops seeing injuries on her body shortly after the fight.

3. And in Texas, it doesn't matter if the victim does not want to cooperate, they can & will prosecute the case if they feel that they have enough evidence.

 

By definition, these things are not speculation. I'm keeping up just fine, thanks.

[CheshireCT]

4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

You called these three things (from @Bob Jones ) speculation:

 

1. Apparently, sometime during the melee, she started recording on her phone and then put it in her pocket, so that recording will take precedence over what they both say now.

2. Also, there's the matter of the cops seeing injuries on her body shortly after the fight.

3. And in Texas, it doesn't matter if the victim does not want to cooperate, they can & will prosecute the case if they feel that they have enough evidence.

 

By definition, these things are not speculation. I'm keeping up just fine, thanks.

I suppose the speculation would be what the recording holds, what the injuries look like, and if it can be proved that these injuries came from the altercation.

 

Btw as I jump into this mid-argument, to be clear I don’t have any opinion on whether or not Von Miller is a violent SOB or not. I hope he’s not, but if he is he should be held accountable