Mikie2times Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 You heard the announcers discussing how the Eagles "just know how to win". We have seen teams like the Chargers most recently that are the complete opposite. We are now 7-14 in game decided by 7 points or less since 2021. Against good teams we will be in a lot of these games. Hell, nobody even sniffed a Super Bowl unless that record was flip flopped. A lot of people here blame McD and yes, he owns a lot of this, but it seems like how it happens runs deeper than just one area. Is it the sometimes untimely turnovers? Is it the defensive scheme itself? Then addition the poor clock management overlaid on top of it. I get it, winners just win. But what is it in our recipe that doesn't make us "winners"? At a bit of a loss as I'm sure many of you're. Here are just some of the games that we have either blown or nearly blown in very improbable fashion. We have won some close games as well, but as the record shows, few and far between. Houston Playoff Wild Card 2019 Bills are outscored 22-3 to finish the game and lose in OT Indianapolis Playoff Wild Card 2020 Bills are outscored 14-3 in the final twelve minutes. Colts fizzle out on the final drive. Bills hold on. New England Week 8, 2020 Cam Newton fumbles on the Bills 19 yard line with 37 seconds left preserving the win Arizona Week 10, 2020 Hail Murray Tennessee Week 6, 2021 Bills are outscored 17-7 to end the game. Bills stopped on 4th and 1 at Tennessee 3 yard line. Tampa Bay Week 14 2021 Bills come roaring back with a chance to win on the last drive, instead it goes to OT. Bills lose in OT Kansas City Divisions Championship 2021 13 seconds Minnesota Week 19 2022 Epic implosion fresh on our minds NY Jets Week 1 2023 Jets outscore Bills 16-3 in the 4th quarter and OT, Bills lose NY Giants Week 6 2023 Bills avert complete disaster with a likely no call on the final play Denver Week 10 2023 Bills do everything to gift wrap the game, fold at the end. Philadelphia Week 12 2023 You just saw it 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 The Eagles are filled with national champions. We have guys with traits. We also don’t have HS state champions. Winners know how to win. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Eagles are better organization with younger players, a better kicker, a better OL, a better DL, and better WRs. Only thing we had going was Josh Allen. If QBs were switched it would have been 3-70. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) Most of these losses . ( Tampa Bay and 13 seconds aside) … the Bills have had a two score lead and couldn’t hold on … Edited November 27, 2023 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Forgot Patriots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: You heard the announcers discussing how the Eagles "just know how to win". We have seen teams like the Chargers most recently that are the complete opposite. We are now 7-14 in game decided by 7 points or less since 2021. Against good teams we will be in a lot of these games. Hell, nobody even sniffed a Super Bowl unless that record was flip flopped. A lot of people here blame McD and yes, he owns a lot of this, but it seems like how it happens runs deeper than just one area. Is it the sometimes untimely turnovers? Is it the defensive scheme itself? Then addition the poor clock management overlaid on top of it. I get it, winners just win. But what is it in our recipe that doesn't make us "winners"? At a bit of a loss as I'm sure many of you're. Here are just some of the games that we have either blown or nearly blown in very improbable fashion. We have won some close games as well, but as the record shows, few and far between. Houston Playoff Wild Card 2019 Bills are outscored 22-3 to finish the game and lose in OT Indianapolis Playoff Wild Card 2020 Bills are outscored 14-3 in the final twelve minutes. Colts fizzle out on the final drive. Bills hold on. New England Week 8, 2020 Cam Newton fumbles on the Bills 19 yard line with 37 seconds left preserving the win Arizona Week 10, 2020 Hail Murray Tennessee Week 6, 2021 Bills are outscored 17-7 to end the game. Bills stopped on 4th and 1 at Tennessee 3 yard line. Tampa Bay Week 14 2021 Bills come roaring back with a chance to win on the last drive, instead it goes to OT. Bills lose in OT Kansas City Divisions Championship 2021 13 seconds Minnesota Week 19 2022 Epic implosion fresh on our minds NY Jets Week 1 2023 Jets outscore Bills 16-3 in the 4th quarter and OT, Bills lose NY Giants Week 6 2023 Bills avert complete disaster with a likely no call on the final play Denver Week 10 2023 Bills do everything to gift wrap the game, fold at the end. Philadelphia Week 12 2023 You just saw it 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 What’s makes it really strange is that Bills have a money QB, which is one of the things you usually associate with teams that are good in close games. In Allen’s defense, he does leave the field with the lead a lot. 4 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Loser coaches and loser mentality. Time for something new 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Knowing how to win is just a cliche being trotted out by NFL announcers with air time to fill. Pretty much meaningless. The bottom line is this : Most NFL games are close. The Bills lose them because their HC is consistently too conservative in crunch time. It’s not about him knowing how to win- it’s about him being too afraid to try. So he makes choices that he thinks won’t lose in the moment. The problem is, it eventually gives the opponent a better chance to defeat you. In the close ones, they usually do. His record speaks for itself. 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Because we’re coached by a loser. Not hard. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, vincec said: What’s makes it really strange is that Bills have a money QB, which is one of the things you usually associate with teams that are good in close games. In Allen’s defense, he does leave the field with the lead a lot. Yup. It’s amazing actually that as good as Allen is. This absolutely horrific coach has screwed up one of the most talented QBs ever. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 COACHING!!!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Coaching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Aurelius Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Because Bills Stadium is built on sacred Indian burial ground? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Can't fight these guys: 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 I think the over dependence on Josh, who even in his greatness can make some mistakes at times (although clearly the only reason we are in these games). We did run the ball well towards the end, but 50 attempts. Then older players, not a lot of youth or even playmakers. Diggs is a great WR1 but he’s not a true home run hitter. Than our defense which never dictated to anybody. It has always been a bend but don’t break. McD has brought way more pressure packages, but still. We play a very vanilla defense at the end of games. Time management is obviously a huge issue and that’s on McD. Last, but not least. We just don’t execute the kill shots. Not during or at the end of games and our pass centric offense doesn’t extend drives bleeding the clock and allows plenty of time for our warts to eventually show. I don’t know where we go from here. Wish I did. Josh was insane. His best game since 13 seconds as far as will to win. It was basically the same type of game. Same devastating outcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Knowing how to win is just a cliche being trotted out by NFL announcers with air time to fill. Pretty much meaningless. The bottom line is this : Most NFL games are close. The Bills lose them because their HC is consistently too conservative in crunch time. It’s not about him knowing how to win- it’s about him being too afraid to try. So he makes choices that he thinks won’t lose in the moment. The problem is, it eventually gives the opponent a better chance to defeat you. In the close ones, they usually do. His record speaks for itself. This is a really good point and diagnostic. McD doesn’t make catastrophic blunders of coaching that make even the casual viewer say “what an idiot he should be fired!” But he makes many small yet bad choices that amass to skew the winning probability in favor of the opponent. This happens so frequently his winning % in close games like OT defy randomness. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 19 minutes ago, Low Positive said: The Eagles are filled with national champions. We have guys with traits. We also don’t have HS state champions. Winners know how to win. Great point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 23 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: You heard the announcers discussing how the Eagles "just know how to win". We have seen teams like the Chargers most recently that are the complete opposite. We are now 7-14 in game decided by 7 points or less since 2021. Against good teams we will be in a lot of these games. Hell, nobody even sniffed a Super Bowl unless that record was flip flopped. A lot of people here blame McD and yes, he owns a lot of this, but it seems like how it happens runs deeper than just one area. Is it the sometimes untimely turnovers? Is it the defensive scheme itself? Then addition the poor clock management overlaid on top of it. I get it, winners just win. But what is it in our recipe that doesn't make us "winners"? At a bit of a loss as I'm sure many of you're. Here are just some of the games that we have either blown or nearly blown in very improbable fashion. We have won some close games as well, but as the record shows, few and far between. Houston Playoff Wild Card 2019 Bills are outscored 22-3 to finish the game and lose in OT Indianapolis Playoff Wild Card 2020 Bills are outscored 14-3 in the final twelve minutes. Colts fizzle out on the final drive. Bills hold on. New England Week 8, 2020 Cam Newton fumbles on the Bills 19 yard line with 37 seconds left preserving the win Arizona Week 10, 2020 Hail Murray Tennessee Week 6, 2021 Bills are outscored 17-7 to end the game. Bills stopped on 4th and 1 at Tennessee 3 yard line. Tampa Bay Week 14 2021 Bills come roaring back with a chance to win on the last drive, instead it goes to OT. Bills lose in OT Kansas City Divisions Championship 2021 13 seconds Minnesota Week 19 2022 Epic implosion fresh on our minds NY Jets Week 1 2023 Jets outscore Bills 16-3 in the 4th quarter and OT, Bills lose NY Giants Week 6 2023 Bills avert complete disaster with a likely no call on the final play Denver Week 10 2023 Bills do everything to gift wrap the game, fold at the end. Philadelphia Week 12 2023 You just saw it You forgot Mac Jones final td drive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Answer me this... What is McDermott's head coaching record in OT? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Could be the head coach. After all he is the guy responsible for Breaking Jerry Jones playoff drought in 2009. As the eagles DC his D got torched two weeks in a row to end the season costing them the division and then losing the wild card game. He just simply can not change what he can not overcome...at least not here. Hearing McDermott say Allen played well enough for the team to win the last weeks makes my head explode. I dont ever want to hear him speak or talk about this team again. I hope they just play it out and then decide to part ways in January. Lots of coaching changes coming around the league this offseason so it is better to get a head start. and my hot take is absolutely no one from the Andy Reid tree or the Bill Belichick Tree. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 McDermott record in OT: 1-5 Only win was 2017 rookie head coaching year. What about 3 points or less games? What about 1 score or less games? If McDermott's team didn't demolish the opponent like they were supposed to most weeks... McDermott is the reason this team cannot succeed. I am now finally convinced after today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessImproverMan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said: Because Bills Stadium is built on sacred Indian burial ground? We did have Native Americans doing a war dance of sorts on the field last week during half time against the Jets....maybe trying to exercise the poltergeist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 At this point, it almost doesn't matter if McD has had bad luck, or really does pull defeat from the jaws of victory. It has become ingrained in this team while he is HC. If every one of us fans is thinking "how are we going to mess this up" w/ a few minutes left & a lead, it's a good bet the players have a similar mindset. It continues until we string together a few improbable wins, or have a change at HC. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I’m getting cozy with the comfort that Allen is just Phillip Rivers. Try it, it makes more sense. His turnovers is a MAJOR problem. Sure, throw three picks when it’s a shootout and the Bills can win the game 38-35. But yeah, that never happens either huh. Another 4th guarded INT on the wrong side of the 50 in a close game. Philly turned it into 7, easily. Allen is a dimwit. 1 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) Edited November 27, 2023 by chongli 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 McDermott is a loser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan in Owego Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Thrivefourfive said: I’m getting cozy with the comfort that Allen is just Phillip Rivers. Try it, it makes more sense. His turnovers is a MAJOR problem. Sure, throw three picks when it’s a shootout and the Bills can win the game 38-35. But yeah, that never happens either huh. Another 4th guarded INT on the wrong side of the 50 in a close game. Philly turned it into 7, easily. Allen is a dimwit. Rivers isn't half the quarterback and to discuss it further is not worth anyone's time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4th&long Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Because we don’t play to win. We play not to lose. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I'm sure you are too. 👍 We've got other things as well to keep us uplifted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Jets- Defense fails to hold touchdown lead against Zach Wilson late in the fourth Pats - Defense fails to hold 3 point lead in last minute, giving up a TD. Broncos - Defense fails to hold lead on last drive Eagles - Defense fails to hold 3 point lead last minute Eagles - Defense fails to hold 3 point lead in overtime. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 you kidding??? I could go for several more losses just like this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Dan in Owego said: Rivers isn't half the quarterback and to discuss it further is not worth anyone's time. Why do these comments always bring out the crazies that want to compare every little tiny minute detail of the comparisoneés games. One day, probably in like 4 years of not winning the Super Bowl, you’ll see. Allen, for whatever reason…. is drowning in bad beats. There’s no way he’s accepting them in a vacuum. Rivers’s teams suffered stupid loses. Allen’s teams suffer stupid loses. That’s the extent of that comparison. Not arm strength and foot speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Got to give all the refs $1,000,000.00 to win Per game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 48 minutes ago, Low Positive said: The Eagles are filled with national champions. We have guys with traits. We also don’t have HS state champions. Winners know how to win. Very interesting point. We’re stocked with potential winners with great intangibles. Other teams just have outright winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, chongli said: Hahaha. It’s what it is. Allen is fine with it sitting over there on the big white bench all by himself all game long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobot Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Our defensive minded head coach can't engineer a stop when it matters. We do silly things/take silly penalties/come up small and keep teams in the game. Good teams punish us for this. Even bad teams come through when we insist on playing to their level. We play tighter as the moment becomes bigger and seek out new, implausible ways to lose. IMO it's our culture. They all own it. We've seen everyone from Allen and Diggs through the bottom of the roster make just the awful plays or inexplicably not come through on a wide open type play. We'll always have 2020-2022 but that iteration never won big either. We need a new coach/system and a culture reset. Clock's always ticking in the land of Not For Long. It feels like we're wasting a franchise quarterback otherwise. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan in Owego Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: Why do these comments always bring out the crazies that want to compare every little tiny minute detail of the comparisoneés games. One day, probably in like 4 years of not winning the Super Bowl, you’ll see. Allen, for whatever reason…. is drowning in bad beats. There’s no way he’s accepting them in a vacuum. Rivers’s teams suffered stupid loses. Allen’s teams suffer stupid loses. That’s the extent of that comparison. Not arm strength and foot speed. Crazies and your from the left coast, please oblige me this small laugh👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 25 minutes ago, Kaenon said: Answer me this... What is McDermott's head coaching record in OT? NOT-GOOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Time after time, the defense has no idea how to stop teams at end-of-game situations and come away with victorious stops. That is not a good look for the defensive head coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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