Buffalo / Philly Postgame thread

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, dma0034 said:

Reasons the Bills lost in order:

 

Bass: missed two FGs

Refs: The Intentional Grounding instead of a Horsecollar tackle took 7 off the board for the Bills

McDermott: Defense owns Eagles in the 1st half.... they adjust in the tune of 24 points in the 2nd half. You play a soft defense and on 3rd and 4 in OT you give the Eagles a cushion and easy First Down. YOU HAVE TO PLAY TO HAVE THEM KICK THE FG. Also taking a to before the EAgles kick the ball to tie it at 31. You keep that 2nd TO and then ask Allen to get you into FG in two plays with 20 seconds left (that's about 35 yards in 19 seconds).

Drops: 7 of them in all

Davis/Allen last throw: It was a walk off TD. Davis runs an Out Route and Allen throws it inside. Should have been a TD. I don't know who messed it up but that was the game.

 

And if we won that game today then we would have won almost entirely because of Allen. 

[Best Williams Available]

7 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

This may be a stretch… could Tyler Bass’s struggles be symptoms of tension and drama in the locker room regarding players and coaches? Like the unrest/lack of faith in the coaching is bringing his confidence issues?

 

Too big of a stretch?

No one talks to FG kickers or punters. They’re ignored by players and most coaches because they literally only have to do 1 thing. McD could be behind Bass in line at Wegman’s and not know who he is. Doubt coaching drama plays a factor.

[SCBills]

This game should’ve put Josh Allen back into the league lead MVP race. 
 

Instead it’s just another epic Josh Allen performance that is undone by the coach and his defense. 

[Bills!Win!]

I just find it simply amazing that since McKenzie tripped over himself and fumbled on a kickoff return against the colts 2 years ago this month, we have not lost by more than 6 points. But time and time again we play like absolutely idiotic garbage yet still come close to winning. Wow. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Bills!Win!

[Mikey]

McDermott is terrible head coach would be an insult to dummies to call him McDummy or anything like that-

[gomper]

It never ends. My only wish is the faithful amongst us get rewarded at some point. 

[Since1981]

our six losses avg 4.5 pts. 
that on our coach, period 

[SCBills]

 

[Chandler#81]

So disappointing and depressing. I can’t fathom McNursemaid getting canned, but he deserves to be.

[LarryMadman]

Appearantly Ed Werder reported that through out NFL history team with over 500+ yards of offense, 10+ or more 3rd down conversions and were plus turnovers in a game had been 39-0 until today's Bills loss. Wow, McD needs to be shown the door.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

For any worries about McDermott making it to next season

 

One thing I know for certain the NFL loves money, they can't be happy that a top QB that drives ratings and is healthy is likely to miss the playoffs and a Kenny Pickett or Joe flacco or Gardner minshew or Dorian Thompson Robinson or Jake Browning is gonna be in the playoffs 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Maybe this is just sour grapes by me, but it is mind blowing that anyone can come out of this game And think Hurts is an MVP candidate. 

[paulmm3]

Shawn Hochuli should never officiate again. I've never seen anything like that. I wish legitimate physical pain upon the man and the rest of his crew. 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Ralonzo said:

 

I'm ok with Brady so far, but right now it's not scheme that's moving the offense, it's the generational talent under center. The offense is still fundamentally broken in the pass game until the scramble drill, where it's the most dangerous offense in history. The way they can currently run the ball and the man they have at the trigger, it should be an upset when they do get stopped, like it was in 2020 when the punter was basically baking muffins all game.

All Brady has done is let Allen play like the Allen of the last 4 seasons.  And yes as he's shown over the last 2 games against 2 of the better defenses in the NFL he is indeed a special, generational talent.

 

It's clear from the comments starting in the off season and coming out during the last few weeks that McD and I suspect Bean, deliberately tried to remake Allen into a a very different QB.  Whether they had Allen's full investment here or he just gave it that old college try we may never know.  They did have their useful puppet in Dorsey who tried to turn McD/Beans vision for Allen into realty.

 

But the sad realty is that they failed spectacularly, Dorsey took the fall and the Bills will miss the playoffs for the first time in 5 seasons.  This failure, which should be laid at the feet of McD & Bean is a fireable offense IMO. Hopefully the elevation of Brady and more importantly the decision to let Allen go back and play like the Allen of old came directly from Pegula.  If it did then there is hope that we can be rid of Bean & McD at the end of this season.

 

I know that everything I've written here is pure speculation.  But I've followed this team for well over 50 years and the evidence supports my take on events.  Bean & McD messed with the magic sauce that made Allen a special talent at QB.  They did this while also continuing to over value the D and undervalue the O.  That's a recipe for failure and we're seeing it play out on the field.

 

 

 

[Ralonzo]

There's that and the inexplicable need for a coach that is perhaps the worst game manager in the NFL bringing every possible game down to the final drive where his ineptitude is disproportionately magnified.

[DrDawkinstein]

 

Unprepared and out-coached.

[SectionC3]

10 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

All Brady has done is let Allen play like the Allen of the last 4 seasons.  And yes as he's shown over the last 2 games against 2 of the better defenses in the NFL he is indeed a special, generational talent.

 

It's clear from the comments starting in the off season and coming out during the last few weeks that McD and I suspect Bean, deliberately tried to remake Allen into a a very different QB.  Whether they had Allen's full investment here or he just gave it that old college try we may never know.  They did have their useful puppet in Dorsey who tried to turn McD/Beans vision for Allen into realty.

 

But the sad realty is that they failed spectacularly, Dorsey took the fall and the Bills will miss the playoffs for the first time in 5 seasons.  This failure, which should be laid at the feet of McD & Bean is a fireable offense IMO. Hopefully the elevation of Brady and more importantly the decision to let Allen go back and play like the Allen of old came directly from Pegula.  If it did then there is hope that we can be rid of Bean & McD at the end of this season.

 

I know that everything I've written here is pure speculation.  But I've followed this team for well over 50 years and the evidence supports my take on events.  Bean & McD messed with the magic sauce that made Allen a special talent at QB.  They did this while also continuing to over value the D and undervalue the O.  That's a recipe for failure and we're seeing it play out on the field.

 

 

 

This post is kind of why I’m ag peace with this year.  Mid-year,  I thought Allen was broken.   He’s not.  He’s back and, with the right parts around him, we can contend every year.  I think today might have been the beginning of the end for McD, though.  Maybe he runs the table.  It’s plausible.  But we can’t waste another year of Allen in a guy who, time and time again, does not get it done. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

I’m honestly not sure I even saw anything that special from Hurts. I don’t think he wins very often going  toe to toe with Josh and a competent Head Coach. 

 

25/30 for 272, 2 Touchdowns, 0 Int and a 126 passer rating.

 

The stat line listed above belongs to Mac Jones against the McDermott Defense.. let’s not forget 

 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

36 minutes ago, Success said:

Gonna sign off 'til tomorrow.  Just want to say - when the day started, I never imagined I'd feel this gutted at the end of it.  I thought we might lose, but once again - it's the way we lost.

 

But I'm really glad to have this board, and even though I don't know any of you in "real" life, this is a great support group, and good therapy.  At the end of a trying day, I'm truly appreciative of that.  Whatever I'm going through, there are a bunch of people like me going through pretty much the same thing, & they get it.

 

Heartbreaking....we should've won but what do you expect with incompetent coaching and corrupt officiating.  Always the Bills way.

9 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

This post is kind of why I’m ag peace with this year.  Mid-year,  I thought Allen was broken.   He’s not.  He’s back and, with the right parts around him, we can contend every year.  I think today might have been the beginning of the end for McD, though.  Maybe he runs the table.  It’s plausible.  But we can’t waste another year of Allen in a guy who, time and time again, does not get it done. 

Allen was never broken. Just the worthless head coaching and leadership. Josh is very much the same incredible qb we witnessed all those years.  McD has ruined this.

[Warcodered]

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-haason-reddick-josh-sweat-say-bills-qb-josh-allen-lobbied-officials-flag-him-intentional-grounding/#:~:text=According to Reddick and fellow,on purpose%2C" Sweat said.

 

***** bull####.

 

What a classy bunch of #######s we just played, you almost forget how they took advantage of the refs not calling penalties to take shots at our players.

[LABILLBACKER]

24 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

All Brady has done is let Allen play like the Allen of the last 4 seasons.  And yes as he's shown over the last 2 games against 2 of the better defenses in the NFL he is indeed a special, generational talent.

 

It's clear from the comments starting in the off season and coming out during the last few weeks that McD and I suspect Bean, deliberately tried to remake Allen into a a very different QB.  Whether they had Allen's full investment here or he just gave it that old college try we may never know.  They did have their useful puppet in Dorsey who tried to turn McD/Beans vision for Allen into realty.

 

But the sad realty is that they failed spectacularly, Dorsey took the fall and the Bills will miss the playoffs for the first time in 5 seasons.  This failure, which should be laid at the feet of McD & Bean is a fireable offense IMO. Hopefully the elevation of Brady and more importantly the decision to let Allen go back and play like the Allen of old came directly from Pegula.  If it did then there is hope that we can be rid of Bean & McD at the end of this season.

 

I know that everything I've written here is pure speculation.  But I've followed this team for well over 50 years and the evidence supports my take on events.  Bean & McD messed with the magic sauce that made Allen a special talent at QB.  They did this while also continuing to over value the D and undervalue the O.  That's a recipe for failure and we're seeing it play out on the field.

 

 

 

Daboll was Josh's only chance at becoming the elite star he is.  All McDermott did was alienate Daboll and force Beane into failed defensive picks.  Brady does show promise but only with McD gone.

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-haason-reddick-josh-sweat-say-bills-qb-josh-allen-lobbied-officials-flag-him-intentional-grounding/#:~:text=According to Reddick and fellow,on purpose%2C" Sweat said.

 

***** bull####.

 

What a classy bunch of #######s we just played, you almost forget how they took advantage of the refs not calling penalties to take shots at our players.

It wasn't just about the 15 calls that went in favor of the Eagles.  The put in some cheap shots too. Especially the one on Josh & Diggs that were utterly ignored. 

[Aussie Joe]

2 hours ago, Comebackkid said:

what happened johnson?....he was killing it.   

then we went back to murry and cook.   

   

How can Murray be out there on first down at any part of the game.., let alone late ? should be short yardage only… Johnson played well… I have been impressed with him and he deserves another invitation to come back and compete for one of the Top 3 RBs  next year …

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Daboll was Josh's only chance at becoming the elite star he is.  All McDermott did was alienate Daboll and force Beane into failed defensive picks.  Brady does show promise but only with McD gone.

 

I agree.  One of the great lies told by the local Buffalo/Rochester media and some in the national football media is the one where Bean & McD did a great job in getting Allen up to speed.  But those of us who were watching this team in 2018 know for a fact that McD totally screwed it up.  From not naming Allen the starter and giving him the lions share of 1st team training camp & preseason snaps to the failure to bring a veteran QB in to act as Allen's mentor to Bean's decision to dismantle the offense in the expectation that Allen would sit his rookie year only to see that plan blown up in the first half of game one when the Bills under Peterman couldn't get a single 1st down!

 

Daboll and Allen himself are responsible for Allen surviving his rookie year and then making a great leap going forward. 

[Billever76]

1 hour ago, Aimee75 said:

Darius Slay on Josh Allen.

 

He is impressed, and also comments on how ***** the media is toward Josh and how unjustified it is.

I'm impressed how slay can interfere with wrs all season

[Aussie Joe]

50 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

I just find it simply amazing that since McKenzie tripped over himself and fumbled on a kickoff return against the colts 2 years ago this month, we have not lost by more than 6 points. But time and time again we play like absolutely idiotic garbage yet still come close to winning. Wow. 

The bengals in the playoffs ?

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree.  One of the great lies told by the local Buffalo/Rochester media and some in the national football media is the one where Bean & McD did a great job in getting Allen up to speed.  But those of us who were watching this team in 2018 know for a fact that McD totally screwed it up.  From not naming Allen the starter and giving him the lions share of 1st team training camp & preseason snaps to the failure to bring a veteran QB in to act as Allen's mentor to Bean's decision to dismantle the offense in the expectation that Allen would sit his rookie year only to see that plan blown up in the first half of game one when the Bills under Peterman couldn't get a single 1st down!

 

Daboll and Allen himself are responsible for Allen surviving his rookie year and then making a great leap going forward. 

I'd say it was a combination effort Daboll was a bit much him screaming at Allen in the Patriots game and getting sent into the booth was probably a good balance of McDermott and Daboll.

[Aussie Joe]

42 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

For any worries about McDermott making it to next season

 

One thing I know for certain the NFL loves money, they can't be happy that a top QB that drives ratings and is healthy is likely to miss the playoffs and a Kenny Pickett or Joe flacco or Gardner minshew or Dorian Thompson Robinson or Jake Browning is gonna be in the playoffs 

So what are you saying? We gunna get some calls? 

[RyanC883]

15 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-haason-reddick-josh-sweat-say-bills-qb-josh-allen-lobbied-officials-flag-him-intentional-grounding/#:~:text=According to Reddick and fellow,on purpose%2C" Sweat said.

 

***** bull####.

 

What a classy bunch of #######s we just played, you almost forget how they took advantage of the refs not calling penalties to take shots at our players.

 

be interesting to see what Josh says.  Looked like he was arguing for a

horse-collar.   

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

be interesting to see what Josh says.  Looked like he was arguing for a

horse-collar.   

Of course he was, the idea he was asking for a penalty on his own team that essentially counts as a sack anyway is ***** stupid. That's like saying Josh has thrown more picks this year because he's avoiding incompletions.

Edited November 27, 2023 by Warcodered

[Chandler#81]

Ok. I’m convinced. He has to go.

https://x.com/michaelfflorio/status/1728943355466592256?s=61

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Why does Diggs check himself out of the game so often?

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

I'd say it was a combination effort Daboll was a bit much him screaming at Allen in the Patriots game and getting sent into the booth was probably a good balance of McDermott and Daboll.

Yea but I'm also talking about practice, game planning and the selection of talent to surround Allen with.  Bean/McD had a plan for Allen that fell apart by halftime of the Ravens game. 

 

That entire summer I couldn't understand what Bean/McD were trying to do.  Living here in Cincinnati I knew what McCarron was - a back up QB that wasn't exactly a grizzled vet wanting to mentor a young QB.  McCarron went to Buffalo to start, not babysit a 1st round draft pick.  Why McD/Bean thought he was the guy to mentor Allen is beyond me.

 

And don't get me started on the decision to start Peterman.  At the very least how could ANY coach or GM think this guy could be a starting QB in the NFL?  It tells me nether of these guys has a clue about QB's and the Allen pick was blind luck.  But worse, Peterman who snagged most of the 1st team reps over the summer and then was so bad in the opener Bean/McD had to throw the rookie QB they wanted to sit his rookie year to the wolves.  And considering that assembly of offensive backup practice squad level players that Bean had assembled they really did throw Allen to the wolves.

 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I still can’t fathom how Elliot made a 60yard FG in the driving rain with the game on the line. It’s so unfathomable. 

[Warcodered]

 

Must be fun as an OC to have to tie an arm behind your back to teach it a lesson in the middle of a game with the season potentially on the line.

[Process]

Bills are now +500 to make the playoffs on DK 😳 Running the table is likely the only path.

[SCBills]

Tell me what the point of having a defensive minded HC is when the star QB gives your team the lead, late, with the defense only needing one stop … not one, not two, but three times in 12 games and in all 3 games, we all knew they wouldn’t get that stop.  
 

It was actually 4 times, but one game they got a stop after letting a horrible offense drive the entire field because the refs didn’t call PI on us.  
 

My mistake McDermott, don’t want to leave that feather in the cap out for you. 
 

Tell me what the point of having a defensive minded HC is when you settle for a FG in overtime and and the second the 3rd down play fell incomplete, we all knew deep down that we lost the game. 
 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by SCBills

[CincyBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

Must be fun as an OC to have to tie an arm behind your back to teach it a lesson in the middle of a game with the season potentially on the line.

It blows my mind that McD treats some of his players so unprofessionally.  And what makes it worse is that McD is not consistent with who and for what he "punishes" his players. 

[Chandler#81]

More convincing 

 

[Buffalo03]

4 hours ago, stevestojan said:

I can’t think of what other hobby I would continue doing that literally does nothing but make me stressed and upset. 
 

 

I keep saying that we are all in an abusive relationship with our football team. Every week they give us black eyes and fat lips but we come back every time

[Billsatlastin2018]

27 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I still can’t fathom how Elliot made a 60yard FG in the driving rain with the game on the line. It’s so unfathomable. 

It’s sooooooooooo Billsy!