QCity Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, colin said: i suspect tre is done as a bill, and possibly done w football all together. given his cap, how he is not who he was a few years ago, and two massive season ending injuries and a lot of time missed, i think you walk away It sucks but I have to agree with the Bills part. That $16M cap hit for a guy that now has 2 major injuries isn't wise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, QCity said: It sucks but I have to agree with the Bills part. That $16M cap hit for a guy that now has 2 major injuries isn't wise. Yup. It's honestly awful to have to entertain this conversation, but would people rather have Tre White coming back, at some point next year, at who knows what level, for 16M or cut him, take on 10M in dead cap and use the 6M towards Floyd or Jones... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 18 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Maybe that is a glimmer of hope of good news. I feel as though it would have been reported already Not sure about the timeline of the Tre White injury in 2021 but so far no official word on Tre's injury. I am generally hoping for the best and expecting the worst (torn Achilles). I was 100% certain Dane's season was over last year after the collision with Edumonds but he only missed a few weeks. This is not likely the same situation but you gotta hope right? 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Yup. It's honestly awful to have to entertain this conversation, but would people rather have Tre White coming back, at some point next year, at who knows what level, for 16M or cut him, take on 10M in dead cap and use the 6M towards Floyd or Jones... Tre may take a paycut (more money less of a cap hit) to try and make a comeback. The Bills could also designate Tre as a post June cut and spread the dead cap over two seasons and get 11 million in space for 2024. That being said I would hope for a situation where Tre takes a massive paycut that allows him to make a comeback attempt one more time and gives the Bills the needed cap flexibility. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 49 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: Maybe Vontae Davis could come back and finish what he started? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillenger4 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Well where there is smoke there is fire - and Beane. Sounding like Adoree' Jackson is a target. NYG trade and he is a FA next season. Get him on the cheaper side. I bet Bills wait a few weeks, if Giants continue to lose he is ours. Cut Tre, and in fact - Jackson hit's harder and can cover really well. Also won't drop easy peasy pick 6 balls, or let the jests score at ease. Bank it. Bills have the SB on a plate this season... beaner is making moves. Rogers Sportsnet. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, Dillenger4 said: Well where there is smoke there is fire - and Beane. Sounding like Adoree' Jackson is a target. NYG trade and he is a FA next season. Get him on the cheaper side. I bet Bills wait a few weeks, if Giants continue to lose he is ours. Cut Tre, and in fact - Jackson hit's harder and can cover really well. Also won't drop easy peasy pick 6 balls, or let the jests score at ease. Bank it. Bills have the SB on a plate this season... beaner is making moves. Rogers Sportsnet. Come on dude. You have a valid point to make without kicking a guy while he is down. Tre was the first pick of the McDermott era and a major part of turning this thing around. We can say Jackson is a great addition without swiping at a guy who just balled about his career maybe being over in front of a few million people. 10 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Not sure about the timeline of the Tre White injury in 2021 but so far no official word on Tre's injury. I am generally hoping for the best and expecting the worst (torn Achilles). I was 100% certain Dane's season was over last year after the collision with Edumonds but he only missed a few weeks. This is not likely the same situation but you gotta hope right? Tre may take a paycut (more money less of a cap hit) to try and make a comeback. The Bills could also designate Tre as a post June cut and spread the dead cap over two seasons and get 11 million in space for 2024. That being said I would hope for a situation where Tre takes a massive paycut that allows him to make a comeback attempt one more time and gives the Bills the needed cap flexibility. I don’t know if you can toss your contact out and say “I’ll halve my pay”. I’m not necessarily arguing with you. But I don’t think I’ve heard of it before. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, SCBills said: Yup. It's honestly awful to have to entertain this conversation, but would people rather have Tre White coming back, at some point next year, at who knows what level, for 16M or cut him, take on 10M in dead cap and use the 6M towards Floyd or Jones... can you just cut him if he is still rehabbing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said: Well where there is smoke there is fire - and Beane. Sounding like Adoree' Jackson is a target. NYG trade and he is a FA next season. Get him on the cheaper side. I bet Bills wait a few weeks, if Giants continue to lose he is ours. Cut Tre, and in fact - Jackson hit's harder and can cover really well. Also won't drop easy peasy pick 6 balls, or let the jests score at ease. Bank it. Bills have the SB on a plate this season... beaner is making moves. Rogers Sportsnet. There are so many things that fly in the face of literally everything Beane has done and said since he's been in Buffalo with this or are just fantasy STRIKE ONE: Beane has repeated said...I would even use the term pounded the table on...the fact that if the Bills make a trade one of the first things the look at is how many years are remaining on the players contract. He does NOT want to give up picks for a 1 year rental. STRIKE TWO: The Bills are not cutting Tre this year. If you want to know why...go look at his contract. As a matter of fact it would shock me if he's outright cut after the year. They are going to give him the opportunity to come back IMO. STRIKE THREE: If he's referring to the Garrett Wilson TD catch in week 1, Rogers Sportsnet just admitted to either not watching the game or not understanding what they see. Wilson made an extremely good play and had a lot of luck catching that ball. Tre had perfect coverage. Edited October 2, 2023 by BuffaloBillyG 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mango said: Come on dude. You have a valid point to make without kicking a guy while he is down. Tre was the first pick of the McDermott era and a major part of turning this thing around. We can say Jackson is a great addition without swiping at a guy who just balled about his career maybe being over in front of a few million people. I don’t know if you can toss your contact out and say “I’ll halve my pay”. I’m not necessarily arguing with you. But I don’t think I’ve heard of it before. I think players can redo their contracts Tim Settle and Hines redid their deals this past off-season. Both had guaranteed money and Hines had 2 years left under contract. So it isn't like Tre having a bonus or two years left makes his deal different. That being said I do not know the specifics of how a big contract like Tre's can be reworked. Could Tre say just give me 5-6 million guaranteed and then 3-4 million in non-guaranteed money and incentives? Tre gets a shot to make the roster (and if he makes it gets about 70% of what he would have made) and gets one last payday while the Bills take less in dead cap? Once again this is my own ill-informed speculation but if there ever was a player to try to "work with" the Bills in a situation like this it would be Tre. Tre not only has made money playing 4 seasons under a big extension (2020-2023) but he seems to really love Buffalo. Long term the Bills could also attempt to suit Tre's needs (one more shot to play and make decent money) and Tre can help the team's cap? https://billswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/12/buffalo-bills-tim-settle-renegotiate-deal-2023-salary-cap/ https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-free-agency-nyheim-hines-restructure-contract-legal-tampering-period-rumors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Higgins hair Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Business is business, but it isn’t that simple… I see Beane handling this very delicately with one of the most respected men on the team.. Nothing kills team chemistry more than playing corporate hard ball with a fallen brother. I feel the Bills will give Tre every opportunity he deserves. 9 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Brian Higgins hair said: Business is business, but it isn’t that simple… I see Beane handling this very delicately with one of the most respected men on the team.. Nothing kills team chemistry more than playing corporate hard ball with a fallen brother. I feel the Bills will give Tre every opportunity he deserves. This! And to your point, there won’t be any decision until this season comes to a close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Any cap experts know how injury settlements work? Depending on the severity of the injury, 16 mil next season would be a lot of if he can't come all the way back . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 36 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said: Cut Tre, and in fact - Jackson hit's harder and can cover really well. Also won't drop easy peasy pick 6 balls, or let the jests score at ease. https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2021/09/27/new-york-giants-adoree-jackson-ticked-off-over-dropped-interception/ The New York Giants’ future would look a lot different today had one play turned out differently in their 17-14 loss to the Atlanta Falcons on Sunday. With a little more than five minutes remaining in the fourth quarter and the Giants nursing a 14-7 lead, Atlanta had a second-and-goal on the Giants’ six. Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan overthrew rookie tight end Kyle Pitts in the end zone. The ball sailed over Pitts’ head and into the hands of Giants cornerback Adoree’ Jackson for a possible game-sealing interception. Except Jackson could not reel the ball in. It fell to the turf and was called incomplete. On the next play, Logan Ryan was called for pass interference giving Atlanta a fresh set of downs from the one-yard line. They scored the game-tying touchdown two plays later. After the game, Jackson had no real answers for the miscue. “I just dropped it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Virgil said: Any cap experts know how injury settlements work? Depending on the severity of the injury, 16 mil next season would be a lot of if he can't come all the way back . In a normal job Workers Comp would kick in but not sure how that works in sports Edited October 2, 2023 by Mike in Horseheads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, Virgil said: Any cap experts know how injury settlements work? Depending on the severity of the injury, 16 mil next season would be a lot of if he can't come all the way back . In the NFL an injured player cannot be released. Injury settlements are typically used in place of putting a player on IR for the rest of the season. However once a settlement is reached in this fashion, the player is immediately released. This would be extremely unlikely to happen this season. Because White is a vested veteran (4+ years of service) he can be put on IR next March without having to go through injury waivers. This would allow them to attempt a settlement and release the player which would give the Bills cap relief ($16M but like $10M dead) and allow White to tryout for another team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 We were probably due for another high end draft pick on a DB even before this injury. Id be shocked if one of the first two picks in 2024 isn't a DB. Really torn up watching Tre deal with the emotions of realizing he's right back in the thick of it with all of the rehabbing day in and day out. After just getting through it all and thinking it's behind him. Similar feelings with Chubb sustaining the same sort of injury again to his knee. Hate to see it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 just sucks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 This is going to be a really tough one. Tre is loved BUT these will be two devastating injuries in 2 years. The Achilles for a CB is much different than a QB and this injury has ended careers even with today's medical advancements. This might be one of those times the hard call has to be made, Tre still has a huge contract, and we are well over next year's cap. Bottom line, it sucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: Maybe Vontae Davis could come back and finish what he started? This a young man’s game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 McD just confirmed it’s a torn Achilles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Confirmed torn achilles 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Confirmed torn achilles Same leg as ACL or other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Ugh. Sorry Tre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, QCity said: … Not surprised, but GD this sucks….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Ugh. What a friggin bummer. He's gotta be going thru it right now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Same leg as ACL or other? other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillenger4 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 yikes - that is what we all expected. Get well Tre! Unreal.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Best wishes to Tre on a full recovery...he will be missed 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 45 minutes ago, Virgil said: Any cap experts know how injury settlements work? Depending on the severity of the injury, 16 mil next season would be a lot of if he can't come all the way back . You're getting the cart before the horse on this Virgil. @QCityexplained the basics below. The first thing is how bad is Tre's injury and when will he be "football ready". If he recovers and is released by doctors by next March to play, it will be like nothing happened. If, on the other hand, he is still injured the Bills will place him on PUP to start the season. Then there could be a settlement. But as I see it, if he would likely miss any regular season games the cap savings would diminish by the amount of games and his base salary. Last, and I feel the most important, Tre is an integral part of this team. Beane, McDermott and Tre will discuss what he feels is best for him/team. If he thinks he can return to form, the Bills will give him the year. If he has had enough of all this, he may decide to end it an retire. The only problem that could emerge is if Tre thinks he is fine, and the Bills don't agree. I doubt that happens but if it did, it won't be for some time. 28 minutes ago, QCity said: In the NFL an injured player cannot be released. Injury settlements are typically used in place of putting a player on IR for the rest of the season. However once a settlement is reached in this fashion, the player is immediately released. This would be extremely unlikely to happen this season. Because White is a vested veteran (4+ years of service) he can be put on IR next March without having to go through injury waivers. This would allow them to attempt a settlement and release the player which would give the Bills cap relief ($16M but like $10M dead) and allow White to tryout for another team. Wouldn't he start of PUP? Also, great explanation of the process! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Thinking of Tre! Hoping for a full recovery. Such a tough road again. The injury is one thing but the rehab sucks. As a fan I was so ready to see this defense at full strength. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Heal fast and strong Tre...hope you can play next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 No words for how bad I feel for Tre and his teammates. The team loves this guy and all I can say to them is "Win it all for Tre". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Such a bummer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Can't imagine what he's going through right now. It was obvious that coming back from the ACL was a struggle for him, now he has another year-long recovery ahead of him. Just awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 I have $27 burning a hole in my pocket Bills Mafia. What are we doing to make this sad moment special and rally around Tre? Let’s figure out how we can make a difference, show him our love and support, and make something great happen in the community between now and when he charges out of the tunnel healthy next year. Who has some ideas or should this get split into a separate thread? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Unbelievably heartbreaking for Tre. As great as yesterday was, it sure put a huge damper on it. These guys had to be looking forward to finally getting everyone on the field at the same time with Tre, Von, Micah, Poyer, etc. It's such a shame for Tre... it's gotta be brutal to finally get all the way back and have to start over again with this type of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Koufax said: I have $27 burning a hole in my pocket Bills Mafia. What are we doing to make this sad moment special and rally around Tre? Let’s figure out how we can make a difference, show him our love and support, and make something great happen in the community between now and when he charges out of the tunnel healthy next year. Who has some ideas or should this get split into a separate thread? Wow, I was just looking at that. Here is Tre's deal. https://www.reachingforexcellence27.com/ If his charity got some decent bucks it might make his recovery a little less traumatic. I got $27 too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 If I am BBB I am getting on the phone with him and looking to convert some of this to a bonus, and restructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Wow, I was just looking at that. Here is Tre's deal. https://www.reachingforexcellence27.com/ If his charity got some decent bucks it might make his recovery a little less traumatic. I got $27 too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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