Terry Pegula is ALLEGED to have said something very foul in the Jim Trotter lawsuit against the NFL

[Buffalo03]

The same Jim Trotter who lost his job at NFL network and then made it about race? That Jim Trotter?

[Buffalo03]

2 hours ago, Rhyno716 said:

What a dumb *****. There is no defending this.

If he actually said it

[WEATHER DOT COM]

So the alleged statement was at a dinner per the Buffalo News report....

 

"A league source told The Buffalo News that the alleged comment was thoroughly investigated, including interviews with Terry and his wife and co-owner, Kim Pegula – who both denied the statement – and every other person at the dinner where this conversation purportedly took place."

 

However, from the complaint...

 

“During the meeting, an NFL Media reporter described a conversation he had with Buffalo Bills owner Terry Pegula in which Mr. Pegula was speaking about the recent emphasis on social activism by NFL players, and in particular support for Black Lives Matter.”

 

So, if we are to believe the Buffalo News report, the NFL Media reporter was at the dinner? If that's the case, logically this reporter must have also denied the statement if we are to believe the Buffalo News article, which doesn't make sense if said reporter described the conversation "during the meeting."

 

Make it make sense.

[Buffalo03]

2 hours ago, Bob Jones said:

Who is Jim Trotter?

A guy that got let go from NFL Network and blamed it on race

[MikePJ76]

OMG.

 

I am afraid to even check for updates on anything today after seeing this

[Nineforty]

Some people are just assuming the NFL investigation is on the up-and-up. I wouldn't make that assumption for obvious historical reasons. 

 

Just like I'm not making the assumption those same unnamed people at the dinner would answer the same way under oath. 

 

Just like I'm not jumping to 'he definitely said it' based on 1 page of a lawsuit. 

 

I want to know a lot more information, starting with the person who claims to have heard it first hand. 

 

 

 

[BillsUberAlles]

Note that it was "heard". Which means there is no record of it actually happening. 

 

There is a name for this and it's called "hearsay".

 

Pegula vehemently has rejected that this happened, and honestly this looks like a targeted and calculated move by Trotter.

 

Also note that Trotter has no liability in any of this because since there is no record, he can simply say "That's what I heard".

 

I find it hard to believe this would be discussed in public with NFL reporters in the vicinity to hear it. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by BillsUberAlles

[Buffalo03]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

Deuces Pegula.

 

What an absolute POS. GTFO of my town. 
 

Edit: To appease some, I’ll add the obligatory “if true”. It’s a tough morning after last night. This would be quite the gut punch. 

Because people don't lie to get money in lawsuits? Lol

[Fr. Jerk]

11 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Candidly, I have a hard time believing that a guy who married a minority and who has kids who are minorities would say something so stupid and so offensive. 

 

Forreal, it makes no cents, ya dig?

[DasNootz]

23 minutes ago, Dukestreetking said:

 

This is the correct reading of the allegation, tortured though the (original) wording may be. That is, attendees were Shield employees.

 

Rather odd though: para 128 effectively states that Mr Trotter was IN the zoom meeting, but did not himself hear the comment.

 

If it was a zoom call (virtual, of course) how precisely was TP having a (side) conversation with the unnamed reporter, who was also in the call? Yes, possible, but details matter.

 

I only quickly reviewed...but there are many similar leverage points in the complaint that any reasonable defense lawyer will attack.

 

Please note: I'm only making a cold-hearted evaluation of the stated fact pattern. I don't know what is true or not.

 

 

 

 

The allegation says during a zoom conference that Trotter was part of with other NFL reporters (employees), an unnamed reporter brought up a conversation that he/she with Terry.   Trotter would not have heard the comment directly, as the unnamed reporter was recalling comments made at a different time and place.  Trotter's complaint is that the NFL didn't investigate the allegation that these comments were made in a satisfactory manner.

Edited September 12, 2023 by DasNootz

[Mr. WEO]

36 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

Well as BLM is claiming that blacks are targeted here by the powers that be or the police, let these concerned players go see how police treat blacks in Africa.  Large continent there are various regimes in countries that make up Africa I'm sure there are pockets of racial equality in some areas and some pretty gruesome conditions in other areas.  Just saying that ok if you think ìts so bad here go see how it is in another part of the world.  Africa being chosen as the place to start comparison because Black people originated from that continent.  Actually if the theory of evolution is accurate all humankind originateđ from Africa. And we are all black if we could trace our origins back to everyone's common ancestor I'm pretty confident that it would be a black person.

 

How many white ruled countries left in Africa?

 

So black Americans should just accept whatever treatment they get here....because it might be worse in another country?

 

 

 

 

[Budkin]

That is brutal. Is he going to address it?

[WEATHER DOT COM]

4 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

The allegation says during a zoom conference that Trotter was part of with other NFL reporters (employees), an unnamed reporter brought up a conversation that he/she with Terry.   Trotter would not have heard the comment directly, as the unnamed reporter was recalling comments made at a different time and place.  Trotters complaint is that the NFL didn't investigate the allegation that these comments were made in a satisfactory manner.

 

If what the Buffalo News claims is also true, that everyone at the dinner where Terry said this was interviewed and cleared him of the comments, Trotter's complaint that the NFL didn't investigate the allegations in a satisfactory manner is accurate if the person who heard the comments at the dinner (the unnamed reporter) was not interviewed.

 

This does not mean Terry said what he is accused of. It does, however, point to the NFL continuing to protect it's own in an effort to avoid all potential controversy. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by WEATHER DOT COM

[Mr. WEO]

41 minutes ago, Gary Marangi said:

When and what year did this happen?

 

 

Alabama, 1962

[Mr. WEO]

41 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

If there aren’t 2 on at least every nfl roster there is some evil inequity thing happening here 

 the problem isn't with the composition rosters, as you know.  so your rejoinder lacks both wit and any sense.

[BillsfaninSB]

It made to ESPN,com headline.  Of course it only has Pegula in the title link and does not include Jones. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Wait so he's a reporter who got this quote a few years ago that was news worthy but didn't do a story reporting it? 🤔 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

So Pegula on record strongly denying the claim, and I note the allegations are from 2020…can we honestly expect something this newsworthy to be kept quiet for 3 years despite the claim that over 40 people allegedly heard it? I don’t know how credible that is, not to mention the double or even triple levels of hearsay involved. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

So Pegula on record strongly denying the claim, and I note the allegations are from 2020…can we honestly expect something this newsworthy to be kept quiet for 3 years despite the claim that over 40 people allegedly heard it? I don’t know how credible that is, not to mention the double or even triple levels of hearsay involved. 

 

what is "double (or even triple) hearsay"?

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, 4th&long said:

Anybody that believes they Terry said this I got land for sale in Florida. Dirt cheap too! 
 

 

If you believe this you are extremely gullible!

Where exactly in Florida?

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Where exactly in Florida?

 

Who needs to invest in valuable FLA real estate when you can give your money to Pegula's totally bogus East Resources SPAC scam?!

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Wait so he's a reporter who got this quote a few years ago that was news worthy but didn't do a story reporting it? 🤔 

He reported it to the NFL. There was an NFL investigation years ago. No evidence was found.

[Dancing Fool]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You aren't racist because of what you say, you're racist because of what you think.

The issue is being racist, not being "accused" of it.

For many in this thread, the accusation seems to suffice.

 

This is not a healthy situation.

[Dr.Sack]

Wow. 

[Back2Buff]

Seems like a strange to say when the daughter was literally dating an African American player.

[78thealltimegreat]

Being that the NFL is 70 percent black

using hearsay in a defamation case this guy is really stretching this… Pegula is worth nearly 10 billion dollars if he wanted to he can absolutely countersue and get discovery and probably win.

See Tom Cruise gay rumors in Germany.

[Donuts and Doritos]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He reported it to the NFL. There was an NFL investigation years ago. No evidence was found.

But he didn't do a story on it. Which would have been his job as a reporter. 

[The 9 Isles]

BS 

 

 

[gobills404]

1 minute ago, Back2Buff said:

Seems like a strange to say when the daughter was literally dating an African American player.

Yeah but he probably secretly hated Croom for that reason and that’s why he got cut. He also just squeezed lemon juice in his eyes when he broke down and cried talking about the Tops shooting.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

But he didn't do a story on it. Which would have been his job as a reporter. 

Probably because there was no story. 

[Mango]

The way I understand it is the suit breaks down as this:

 

- Trotter heard Jerry’s comments directly.

- He also has a colleague say he heard Pegula say something similar.

- Trotter reports this to the league and nothing ever comes from it. 
 

Trotters talking points don’t focus on Pegula. They are about the leagues due diligence, which comes into question because nobody every called him to get specifics about the Jones incident. So how could they have vetted Pegula. 
 

As a Bills fan I really dislike this. But as an NFL fan Pegula isn’t the story. 

 

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Mango
Autocorrect is the worst.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, 4th&long said:

That’s why I’m wondering if this is true? You can’t possibly be this stupid and be a billionaire!

Sounds like BS to me. That statement is so an over the top caricature thing to me. Does he have a recording or a text? I doubt Pegula is racist as his wife is Asian and didn’t his daughter date Jason Croom a black player ? 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

The way I understand it is the suit breaks down as this:

 

- Trotter heard Jerry’s comments directly.

- He also has a colleague say he heard Pegula say something similar.

- Trotter reports this to the league and nothing ever comes from it. 
 

Trotters talking points don’t focus on Pegula. They are about the leagues due diligence, which comes into question because nobody every called him to get specifics about the Jones incident. So how could they have better Pegula. 
 

As a Bills fan I really dislike this. But as an NFL fan Pegula isn’t the story. 

 

 

 

This is accurate. One point I am trying to understand related to the bolded...

 

If what the Buffalo News says is true, that everyone at the dinner with Pegula was interviewed and they all cleared him, Trotter's case against the NFL is stronger as the colleague who was at the dinner was not interviewed. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by WEATHER DOT COM

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Yikes. Really really bad quote from Terry there.

I was hoping that quote was by someone else. It's not. It's Terry. If this is a legit quote, there will be hell to pay for this. 

 

3 hours ago, Rhyno716 said:

What a dumb *****. There is no defending this.

 

3 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

If true... I have no words. Dumb is putting it politely.

 

FWIW, Terry Pegula denies it.

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/statement-from-bills-owner-terry-pegula

 

[AuntieEm]

18 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Where exactly in Florida?

In a place they require payment out of your own wallet to close any land purchase.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

what is "double (or even triple) hearsay"?

If you read the article, the quote about Terry states: 

 

“Bills owner Terry Pegula made racist comment, lawsuit alleges

ESPN

Sep 12, 2023, 02:04 PM ET

Buffalo Bills owner Terry Pegula allegedly made a racist comment about Black players in the NFL, according to a racial discrimination lawsuit against the league filed Tuesday by longtime reporter Jim Trotter.

Trotter alleges in the lawsuit that in 2020, a fellow NFL Media reporter recalled a conversation he had with Pegula, who was speaking to the reporter about the NFL's social justice initiatives and Black Lives Matter.

The reporter, who was not identified in the lawsuit, told Trotter and approximately 40 other NFL Media coworkers during a Zoom call that Pegula said: "If the Black players don't like it here, they should go back to Africa and see how bad it is."

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38387165/bills-owner-terry-pegula-made-racist-comment-lawsuit-alleges

 

Double or triple hearsay would be for example, reporter A tells reporter B that subject X said “XYZ”, and reporter B testifies to that effect—in court that’s hearsay, because the declarant would be the best person to testify about that statement, having been a party to it. Triple adds another layer, if for example one of the “40” tells Reporter B that Reporter A said he heard Subject X say XYZ…
 

In other words, it's a situation where one person relays what someone else said, who in turn was repeating what a third person said. As a general rule, that’s just not reliable or admissible in court, because prone to inaccuracies.

 

 

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, Simon said:

I think Josh Allen may have just become a secondary concern. 

Josh Allen is not a concern anyway.

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

The way I understand it is the suit breaks down as this:

 

- Trotter heard Jerry’s comments directly.

- He also has a colleague say he heard Pegula say something similar.

- Trotter reports this to the league and nothing ever comes from it. 
 

Trotters talking points don’t focus on Pegula. They are about the leagues due diligence, which comes into question because nobody every called him to get specifics about the Jones incident. So how could they have better Pegula. 
 

As a Bills fan I really dislike this. But as an NFL fan Pegula isn’t the story. 

 

 

 

 

I think they knew the specifics--in fact his suit claims he wanted to mention the Jones comment on TV but NFL Media execs told him not to.

[Buffalo716]

Does Everyone just believe everything they read on the internet?

 

Humans have never been known to lie?

 

Pegula already came out and said these disgusting comments are 100% not his and he never said anything like that

 

Why jump on somebody when you don't have any facts

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Does Everyone just believe everything they read on the internet?

 

Humans have never been known to lie?

 

Pegula already came out and said these disgusting comments are 100% not his and he never said anything like that

 

Why jump on somebody when you don't have any facts

If he said it, would he admit it?