Terry Pegula is ALLEGED to have said something very foul in the Jim Trotter lawsuit against the NFL

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, appoo said:

Generally when someone goes on legal record of saying something with a direct quote, it increases the odds of them saying it, or you risk perjury

 

We literally just finished up another legal situation with the team where someone accused a player of RAPE, that was an outright lie

 

so you'll pardon me if i give that thought a good, healthy scoff

 

[Blackbeard]

If this Trotter guy heard it from another, it's hearsay.  

 

Inadmissible, with few exceptions.

[BRH]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

If the plaintiff is to be believed, that type of thing would cost you your job.  NFL Network is kind of a dream gig.

 

So... is the reporter who allegedly shared the alleged quote with Trotter still employed by the NFL or no?

[Motorin']

15 minutes ago, BRH said:

This unidentified reporter who repeated Pegula's alleged comments at this zoom meeting....

 

You know, that seems like kind of a big story, and could make the career of the reporter who breaks it.  Why would that reporter sit on it?

 

Wonder if the unidentified reporter heard it from another unidentified reporter?

[Saint Doug]

1 minute ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

What did he say? Can't read this

 

Quote

"I'm a little confused," Terry said next. "I'm sitting on the stage between Mayor [Byron] Brown and Ted Black, yet I look over there, and I'm wondering, is something backwards here?"

That one went over like a slap shot to the face.

There was a stunned silence, and then some uncomfortable laughter. Pegula finished with a lame comment about Brown and Black, the Sabres' president, starting a law firm.

 

[Dukestreetking]

50 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

He says that it was said in a meeting with owners and the NFL Media. That means that any reporter on that Zoom call was an employee of the league. He argues that they swept it under the rug.

 

This is the correct reading of the allegation, tortured though the (original) wording may be. That is, attendees were Shield employees.

 

Rather odd though: para 128 effectively states that Mr Trotter was IN the zoom meeting, but did not himself hear the comment.

 

If it was a zoom call (virtual, of course) how precisely was TP having a (side) conversation with the unnamed reporter, who was also in the call? Yes, possible, but details matter.

 

I only quickly reviewed...but there are many similar leverage points in the complaint that any reasonable defense lawyer will attack.

 

Please note: I'm only making a cold-hearted evaluation of the stated fact pattern. I don't know what is true or not.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Dukestreetking
Clarification

[BRH]

1 minute ago, Blackbeard said:

If this Trotter guy heard it from another, it's hearsay.  

 

Inadmissible, with few exceptions.

 

It simply means the reporter who shared the alleged comment would need to testify under oath that Pegula actually made said comment.

[Avisan]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

There’s usually plenty of room to change lanes ahead of time. Each time is different of course but cars literally stopping to merge in from a standstill is insane. Many often don’t follow the reduced speed limits in these zones either , adding to the chaos. All stems from a sense of entitlement , trying to “ beat the crowd “ when simple following of instructions in a timely manner would produce a better result. The signs etc are usually ignored. 

Cars often only are stopping to merge from a standstill because drivers in the other lane refuse to let them merge at speed.

 

There is only a "crowd to beat" and room to advance relative to the crowd because of the aversion to proper zippering that utilizes the full lane space available.  This is reinforced by the drivers that refuse to make room for other drivers to merge.  So instead of there being a quarter mile of slow but steady two-lane traffic with cars slotting in with each other at the end, there's a half-mile (or likely longer) backup of single-file line with no consistent flow, no mutually agreed upon mesh point, and vindictive drivers who refuse to let people merge ahead of them which in turn forces people to shove their cars awkwardly into the lane when they feel like they can.  This then causes the dramatic slowdowns and stoppages.

 

Zippering is very effective and is the standard practice in most regions.  I thought exactly the same way you did (since I did all of my driving in WNY norms) until I moved outside of the area for a bit and realized that we do merges the complete opposite of how they're supposed to work.

[Brother Hesekiah]

9 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

I have been a victim of this.  In a civil suit they will throw everything at the wall to see if it sticks.  The goal is to sensationalize it as much as reasonably possible to get the defendant to cave and settle out of court.   Especially if the defendant has deep pockets.

 

I’m not defending or accusing Terry, but this is often SOP. 

Exactly what happened with the Araiza case. 

[leonbus23]

Maybe he was quoting the classic Public Enemy lp, Fear of a Black Planet:

 

Chuck D: Go back to Africa?

DJ: OK, we're going to, uh (Ha ha) - believe me when we go to these phones, people are going to tell you to do just that, Chuck
Hello?

Edited September 12, 2023 by leonbus23

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, BRH said:

 

So... is the reporter who allegedly shared the alleged quote with Trotter still employed by the NFL or no?

I will tell you this once and only once.....how the f@#$ should I know? 

 

Do your own homework, Sue.

[BillsFan4]

13 minutes ago, appoo said:

https://x.com/kfitz134/status/1701645969090081021?s=20

 

We can close this now

So it was already investigated, both Terry and Kim denied that he ever said it and nobody else at the dinner remembered Terry saying it either.

 

 

[wnyguy]

5 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

 

 

Well he is no Don Rickles, that's for sure.

[BRH]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

I will tell you this once and only once.....how the f@#$ should I know? 

 

Do your own homework, Sue.

 

I know YOU don't know anything.  Still think it's a fair question and someone should ask it.

[Blackbeard]

7 minutes ago, BRH said:

 

It simply means the reporter who shared the alleged comment would need to testify under oath that Pegula actually made said comment.

This is true

 

But my comment was assuming he wasn't going to be involved.

 

Regardless, the whole thing looks fishy.

[k2mountain]

Forgive me for not reading all 18 pages here. All I saw in the X feed was an allegation in a lawsuit. How do we know for certain TP actually said this? Is there video? Audio? This comment seems out of character for him.

[Goin Breakdown]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

So it was already investigated, both Terry and Kim denied that he ever said it and nobody else at the dinner remembered Terry saying it either.

 

 

There will be many who will not care about this. 

[Shemp]

I don't like or trust Pegula but I also don't know if Trotter has credibility. He might be lying. Wouldn't be a first. Where did Trotter get this quote? The quote seems unlikely. There's a lot of chicanery involved with these racial allegations. See Akim Aliu in the hockey world.

Edited September 12, 2023 by Shemp

[SectionC3]

This is where Bills PR earns its money.  They gotta come down hard on this or it’s going to cause a huge, huge problem. 

 

Candidly, I have a hard time believing that a guy who married a minority and who has kids who are minorities would say something so stupid and so offensive. 

[Bob Jones]

9 minutes ago, Dukestreetking said:

 

This is the correct reading of the allegation, tortured though the (original) wording may be. That is, attendees were Shield employees.

 

Rather odd though: para 128 effectively states that Mr Trotter was IN the zoom meeting, but did not himself hear the comment.

 

If it was a zoom call (virtual, of course) how precisely was TP having a (side) conversation with the unnamed reporter, who was also in the call? Yes, possible, but details matter.

 

I only quickly reviewed...but there are many similar leverage points in the complaint that any reasonable defense lawyer will attack.

 

Please note: I'm only making a cold-hearted evaluation of the stated fact pattern. I don't know what is true or not.

 

 

 

 

I assume that you're a lawyer? If yes, aren’t the hearsay rules very different for criminal courts vs civil lawsuits, in that the rules are way less stringent for civil, and heresay can be used in civil cases?