boyst Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 What do you have? My submission: "a vacation with children is not supposed to be for your relaxation. It is for them and their core memories." A friend last week before we went to the beach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Huh, I've always thought dragging children to adult related "vacation" things is an utter act of futility. The kids make it miserable for all the adults around them, most parents do not properly parent their children in public spaces any more, at least not in this country, and the kids, if small enough, are going to remember NOTHING of the trip. I.E., please keep them out of adult cultural point of interest destinations. Parents do crap like that for their own psyche, not the children. They think they are being a great parent and opening up experiences for their little 5 year old. Ha! It's the same reason they make their 6 years old take piano lessons, even though it's quite clear the kid isn't into it, dislikes it, has no propensity for music, and doesn't practice. But away the kid goes week after week to lessons, and it's all "for the child." LOL. It's actually for the parent, quietly getting off on the idea that he/she is raising her precious child correctly. Now if we are talking about something stupid, like driving a few states to get to a beach with an ocean and letting your little ones build sand castles, fine. They'll enjoy that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) Experiences > Things. We are taking our 9 year old grandson to NYC next weekend. We will see the Harry Potter play, have dinner in Central Park (Tavern on the Green), take the ferry around the Statue of Liberty, see the view of the Chrysler Building and Manhattan skyline from the wife’s office, etc. It would be much less expensive to buy him one of the toys he’s so eager to have, the toys that will be forgotten in a month. His first trip to the Big Apple will stay with him a lifetime. . Edited July 10, 2023 by Augie 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 16 minutes ago, Augie said: Experiences > Things. We are taking our 9 year old grandson to NYC next weekend. We will see the Harry Potter play, have dinner in Central Park (Tavern on the Green), take the ferry around the Statue of Liberty, see the view of the Chrysler Building and Manhattan skyline from the wife’s office, etc. It would be much less expensive to buy home one of the toys he’s so eager to have, the toys that will be forgotten in a month. His first trip to the Big Apple will stay with him a lifetime. Take lots of pictures. Memory fades as other memories are added. We took my daughter to Hawaii multiple times as a youngster and while she wants to go back (much more difficult now) her memories are not very strong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 hour ago, boyst said: What do you have? My submission: "a vacation with children is not supposed to be for your relaxation. It is for them and their core memories." A friend last week before we went to the beach. My sister-in-law says that it's not vacation...it's going away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 24 minutes ago, Augie said: Experiences > Things. We are taking our 9 year old grandson to NYC next weekend. We will see the Harry Potter play, have dinner in Central Park (Tavern on the Green), take the ferry around the Statue of Liberty, see the view of the Chrysler Building and Manhattan skyline from the wife’s office, etc. It would be much less expensive to buy home one of the toys he’s so eager to have, the toys that will be forgotten in a month. His first trip to the Big Apple will stay with him a lifetime. . That’s a great age for him to experience those things. I brought my son to NYC for long weekends every summer between the ages of 5-16. Covid broke the streak and we haven’t been since. But he’s got a ton of great memories of NYC. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 32 minutes ago, Augie said: Experiences > Things. We are taking our 9 year old grandson to NYC next weekend. We will see the Harry Potter play, have dinner in Central Park (Tavern on the Green), take the ferry around the Statue of Liberty, see the view of the Chrysler Building and Manhattan skyline from the wife’s office, etc. It would be much less expensive to buy home one of the toys he’s so eager to have, the toys that will be forgotten in a month. His first trip to the Big Apple will stay with him a lifetime. . Awesome! Since you'll be down by Battery Park you might want to check out the Sea Glass carousel (https://www.seaglasscarousel.nyc/). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, boyst said: What do you have? My submission: "a vacation with children is not supposed to be for your relaxation. It is for them and their core memories." A friend last week before we went to the beach. I somewhat agree with this but, as a child, how far back are your memories for vacations? Children younger than 5-6 will probably have lille or no memory of the vacation. We took our two boys for a beach vacation in France when they were 8-9. We have to remind them or show pics of events that occurred as they have little memory of these. Edited July 9, 2023 by Mr Info 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 "You allow people to make you miserable." 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) No matter who you are talking to it is pretty much guaranteed that they know more about something than you do. Just because they are not knowledgeable about what you are, doesn't mean they are stupid. 1 hour ago, Augie said: Experiences > Things. We are taking our 9 year old grandson to NYC next weekend. We will see the Harry Potter play, have dinner in Central Park (Tavern on the Green), take the ferry around the Statue of Liberty, see the view of the Chrysler Building and Manhattan skyline from the wife’s office, etc. It would be much less expensive to buy home one of the toys he’s so eager to have, the toys that will be forgotten in a month. His first trip to the Big Apple will stay with him a lifetime. . I don't buy this really. Often times things can lead to experiences as well...fast cars, boats, off road vehicles, at home entertainment, video games, a pool or living space, whatever...all those products create experiences for people too. It all depends on the individual and what they want their "experiences" to be. Some would argue the products are better because you can repeat the experience instead of just trying to remember it. Edited July 9, 2023 by Mark80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 The Sage advice I received was to only eat lentils. It was bad advice. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Mark80 said: No matter who you are talking to it is pretty much guaranteed that they know more about something than you do. Just because they are not knowledgeable about what you are, doesn't mean they are stupid. I don't buy this really. Often times things can lead to experiences as well...fast cars, boats, off road vehicles, at home entertainment, video games, a pool or living space, whatever...all those products create experiences for people too. It all depends on the individual and what they want their "experiences" to be. Some would argue the products are better because you can repeat the experience instead of just trying to remember it. Here you are using a product to gain an experience. The product isn’t what you cherish, it is a means to the desired end, the experience. We think of this as an educational gift to him. This will beat the hell out of a new bathing suit or a video game. But you can always argue just about anything if you want to. I think the basic point was pretty clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Better to be a warrior in the garden than a gardener in the midst of battle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Gugny said: That’s a great age for him to experience those things. I brought my son to NYC for long weekends every summer between the ages of 5-16. Covid broke the streak and we haven’t been since. But he’s got a ton of great memories of NYC. My sister’s family decided to skip gifts for anything one year. No birthdays, Mother’s Day , Christmas, etc. They put a pretty good dent in the cost of going to Paris over Christmas break. I seriously doubt anyone could name a gift they got the year before or the year after, but they all remember Paris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Never get high on your own supply. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0neguy Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Hope for the best, plan for the worst. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 From: "29 Things People Try To Warn Others About But They Don’t Listen" Two that stuck out!!! #1: "Letting the culture war distract you. The purpose of the culture war is to be a distraction. We don’t need to worry about pronouns and drag queens. We need to worry about the extremely rich taking advantage of us all." AND....It's probably killing me the last 35 years working swing shift... #4: "Sleep deprivation. "That s**t'll kill you. Slowly. Painfully. Insidiously. Your body will wear out. Your mind will waste away. You will be sick all the time. Your judgment, self control, and emotional continence will fail with astonishing regularity. You'll develop cognitive decline in your 50s or 60s that shouldn't happen south of 80 or 90. It will destroy your quality of life." https://www.boredpanda.com/?s=29+Things+People+Try+To+Warn+Others+About+But+They+Don’t+Listen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Always is never right and never is always wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Always is never right and never is always wrong. I dare you to mention the bottom of the ocean floor and @4merper4mer! 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Augie said: My sister’s family decided to skip gifts for anything one year. No birthdays, Mother’s Day , Christmas, etc. They put a pretty good dent in the cost of going to Paris over Christmas break. I seriously doubt anyone could name a gift they got the year before or the year after, but they all remember Paris. Hilton? Gross 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Augie said: I dare you to mention the bottom of the ocean floor and @4merper4mer! 😂 @4merper4mer the bottom of the ocean floor is always never ending. @Augie Challenge accepted? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: @4merper4mer the bottom of the ocean floor is always never ending. @Augie Challenge accepted? Zero dimension chess on my part. I should get checked! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 7 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: "You allow people to make you miserable." Or the less sociopathic version: "Only you can make you happy" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Be careful who you marry - - that person will be the source of your greatest joys or greatest sorrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 To the many folks who think that moving will completely change their lives: No matter where you go, there YOU are. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 dont eat the yellow snow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 You often hear the adage, "Don't knock it 'til you've tried it." I'm quite certain that suggestion is wrong more often than it's right. I always tell my son to weigh the risks against the rewards. "What's the worst-case scenario, and can you accept that if it happens?" 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, WhoTom said: You often hear the adage, "Don't knock it 'til you've tried it." I'm quite certain that suggestion is wrong more often than it's right. I always tell my son to weigh the risks against the rewards. "What's the worst-case scenario, and can you accept that if it happens?" This is something which I deal with every day at work. Too many rosy outlooks but deployment teams with each decision being to change technologies or export out part of our system to external vendor (i.e. AWS) and in each case we have issues which before would have been issued in hours take days. When issue comes up the answer is always "we did not expect that occur but it was a remote possibility" and "there was no time for testing in order to meet deadlines". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Limeaid said: "there was no time for testing ..." Famous last words at Oceangate. https://www.engineering.com/story/the-titan-submersible-a-little-testing-wouldnt-have-killed-them Edited July 11, 2023 by WhoTom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 I don’t think @SageAgainstTheMachine actually said ANY of these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Brush and Floss daily. Take best care of your teeth possible. Dang straight that lil nugget is wisdom Dental work is MUY expensive. And older dental work needs to be replaced. Better not to have any to begin with You can thank me later for more dollars in your bank account for Bills games after retirement. m 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 On 7/9/2023 at 10:23 AM, Nextmanup said: Huh, I've always thought dragging children to adult related "vacation" things is an utter act of futility. The kids make it miserable for all the adults around them, most parents do not properly parent their children in public spaces any more, at least not in this country, and the kids, if small enough, are going to remember NOTHING of the trip. I.E., please keep them out of adult cultural point of interest destinations. Parents do crap like that for their own psyche, not the children. They think they are being a great parent and opening up experiences for their little 5 year old. Ha! It's the same reason they make their 6 years old take piano lessons, even though it's quite clear the kid isn't into it, dislikes it, has no propensity for music, and doesn't practice. But away the kid goes week after week to lessons, and it's all "for the child." LOL. It's actually for the parent, quietly getting off on the idea that he/she is raising her precious child correctly. Now if we are talking about something stupid, like driving a few states to get to a beach with an ocean and letting your little ones build sand castles, fine. They'll enjoy that. I have always felt that my kids appreciated simpler vacations than really fancy ones too. Visiting family; a trip to see the sights in DC; trip to the lake. Don’t think you need to take little kids on these exotic trips they won’t remember. My wife and I prefer to leave the kids when we are going somewhere nice, so we can relax! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 There is one item of G.I. gear that can be the difference between a live grunt and a dead grunt. Socks, cushion, sole, O.D. green. Try and keep your feet dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Geography is destiny Things are easier to get into then they are to get out of 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 11, 2023 Author Share Posted July 11, 2023 On 7/9/2023 at 10:23 AM, Nextmanup said: Huh, I've always thought dragging children to adult related "vacation" things is an utter act of futility. The kids make it miserable for all the adults around them, most parents do not properly parent their children in public spaces any more, at least not in this country, and the kids, if small enough, are going to remember NOTHING of the trip. I.E., please keep them out of adult cultural point of interest destinations. Parents do crap like that for their own psyche, not the children. They think they are being a great parent and opening up experiences for their little 5 year old. Ha! It's the same reason they make their 6 years old take piano lessons, even though it's quite clear the kid isn't into it, dislikes it, has no propensity for music, and doesn't practice. But away the kid goes week after week to lessons, and it's all "for the child." LOL. It's actually for the parent, quietly getting off on the idea that he/she is raising her precious child correctly. Now if we are talking about something stupid, like driving a few states to get to a beach with an ocean and letting your little ones build sand castles, fine. They'll enjoy that. When we go on vacation with the kids we have expectations limited. We make sure we travel with my parents-in-law. We ask them what they want to do and set very little expectations on what we want to do - we can plan our own vacations or just find solace in the time with them. You are right that parenting is often difficult for other families but it doesn't make it wrong. It is just different. Nothing has changed. There has always been this mentality that today's youth is worse then yesterday's - to where we blame the children, then the parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 21 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: To the many folks who think that moving will completely change their lives: No matter where you go, there YOU are. i've heard this phrased in a slightly different manner in that zip codes don't make you happy...and it's true. my pearl of wisdom is to not give anyone advice. if they ask for it sure, but i never, ever lead with that *****. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) Rather than scanning TSW threads to avoid certain contributors, the 'block' is a much more efficient way of weeding out dissonance. * EDIT: And thanks to moderators, I now know why some 4merper4mers are 4merper4mers. Edited July 11, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 18 hours ago, Gugny said: I don’t think @SageAgainstTheMachine actually said ANY of these things. He may have during his lentil chapter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Avoid electric cars. Regardless of the article they suck anyways. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/transportation/2023/07/11/used-electric-vehicle-prices-are-plummeting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Never ever get up from the table when you are winning in a casino...house has the edge and you are only winning because of luck...stay till your luck runs out. Does not mean give it all back..means set stepped up amounts for when you leave . Up $1000? Leave if you get to only $800. Up $2500? Leave if ya hit $2000. Outside of Who Wants to be a Millionaire, it is almost a universal truth the public is always wrong. Everyone betting one side in a game? Bet the other. Everyone lined up at one entrance? Most certainly a better one to get in Everyone going left? Right most likely is the better way. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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