Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Jones missing 8 games could cost the Chiefs the #1 seed and when was the Mahomes won a NFL playoff game on the road? Oh wait he hasn't. In all fairness I don’t think he’s ever lost a road playoff game either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: In all fairness I don’t think he’s ever lost a road playoff game either. If you count the Super Bowl against the Buccaneers he has. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, SCBills said: A lot of good players like Humphrey and Smith on their OL will be needing new deals soon.. and likely won't be cheap. A guard and a center shouldn't enter the conversation when you're talking about a proven elite pass rusher. Other than Jones they have no one in their front 4 that offenses have to game plan around. I guess if they want to win all out shootouts that's one strategy but they tried that in 2018 and they fell short of the ultimate goal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Impossible to know plus that was last year and he played. At some point you have to rebuild Super Bowl rosters. NE traded Richard Seymour. It hurt definitely but they recovered. Trading Jones is the next step for KC. They will recover. Of course it’s impossible to “know”. Jones wreaked havoc vs Cinci. In a game decided by a late hit penalty, my money is on Cinci winning that game if Jones wasn’t playing. He’s a true difference maker 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Almost starting to wonder if this Jones situation is all part of the 'script' this year for Mahomes to further reach godlike status and win another SB without Jones playing all or most of the season. Either way like I've said before, I'm certainly not upset about this situation and hope Jones sticks to his guns and drags this out well into the regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 58 minutes ago, NewEra said: Of course it’s impossible to “know”. Jones wreaked havoc vs Cinci. In a game decided by a late hit penalty, my money is on Cinci winning that game if Jones wasn’t playing. He’s a true difference maker Why are people telling me how great Chris Jones is? He’s a great player. I’ve acknowledged that. But if I were the Chiefs GM I’m trading the 29 year old great DT for multiple picks instead of paying him nearly $30 million a season for multiple years. Chiefs won 2 Super Bowls, he definitely helped. But they can reload and still win more without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: No communication. Interesting. I have no clue why the Chiefs are playing chicken with the most important player on their defense but I'll take it. Sounds like Lemar Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 hours ago, SCBills said: Completely agree. It's why we went out and signed Von. We were desperately searching for that elite level difference maker on Defense. Chris Jones has been that for KC.. and they 100% lose to the Bengals in the AFC CG without him. As good as Mahomes/Kelce are, they can't do it alone, and watching that game made it abundantly clear that Chris Jones was the difference between winning and losing. I'd even argue that an elite DT is worth more than an elite EDGE. Guys like Chris Jones and Aaron Donald completely destroy and/or occupy the middle of an OL, thus allowing everyone else to play off of them. 1,000% agree. Thing is there are so few elite enough to meet that standard. I'd add Vita Vea to the list. Dude is a game wrecker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 50 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why are people telling me how great Chris Jones is? He’s a great player. I’ve acknowledged that. But if I were the Chiefs GM I’m trading the 29 year old great DT for multiple picks instead of paying him nearly $30 million a season for multiple years. Chiefs won 2 Super Bowls, he definitely helped. But they can reload and still win more without him. I dunno, probably because they disagree with your assessment that it would be wise to trade him. I’d give him 90M over the next 3 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, NewEra said: I dunno, probably because they disagree with your assessment that it would be wise to trade him. I’d give him 90M over the next 3 years $30 million! Geesh. As a Bills fan I hope they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 He's worth it. Stick to your guns, Chris! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: $30 million! Geesh. As a Bills fan I hope they do. I hope they don’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: I hope they don’t I see that. $30 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) long term, the bills will be better off if the chiefs sign the massive jones contract imo. next year, kc is going to dump MVS and then will have the cheapest WR group in the league. if justyn ross becomes the real deal - and it seems he might - and if rashee rice is the real deal - and it seems he might be - the kc receiving corps is going to be young/cheap for a very long time. they're about to keep seven WRs and probably will have at least one signed away. getting rid of jones will get them more picks (9 of 10 made the roster last year, 7 of 7 will make the roster this year), tons of cap flexibility etc. Edited August 23, 2023 by beebe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 38 minutes ago, NewEra said: I dunno, probably because they disagree with your assessment that it would be wise to trade him. I’d give him 90M over the next 3 years I don’t think KC would do this. But I hope they do because it would cripple their cap for the next few years on a player that will most likely be on the decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, 90sBills said: I don’t think KC would do this. But I hope they do because it would cripple their cap for the next few years on a player that will most likely be on the decline. He was better than ever last season. He’s 29. 3 year contract and he’ll be 31. If I were them I would keep Jones and let Creed go. Every great team will be somewhat crippled while trying to stay on top. I think Chris Jones is elite and if he leaves, their D will take a huge dump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, NewEra said: He was better than ever last season. He’s 29. 3 year contract and he’ll be 31. If I were them I would keep Jones and let Creed go. Every great team will be somewhat crippled while trying to stay on top. I think Chris Jones is elite and if he leaves, their D will take a huge dump. Oh I agree. He’s an elite player who’s a vital center piece to KC’s defense. He’s also turning 30 this year and DTs’ productions drop off drastically after 30. Creed and Trey Smith are due. Also their stud MLB and CB1. They’ve drafted really well the last few years and it’s about time to pay those guys. Not extending CJ would allows them to keep a few. However it turns out it’s great to see the champs have some turmoil! This can only help all the other AFC teams including the Bills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Oh I agree. He’s an elite player who’s a vital center piece to KC’s defense. He’s also turning 30 this year and DTs’ productions drop off drastically after 30. Creed and Trey Smith are due. Also their stud MLB and CB1. They’ve drafted really well the last few years and it’s about time to pay those guys. Not extending CJ would allows them to keep a few. However it turns out it’s great to see the champs have some turmoil! This can only help all the other AFC teams including the Bills! He’s turning 30 next year. I’ll take the elite pass rushing/run stopping DT over a pro bowl C and solid MLB every day of the week and 5 times on Sunday. Creed, Bolton and Sneed are all minor pieces when compared to the impact Jones makes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I'm really interested to see where this goes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Just now, HappyDays said: I'm really interested to see where this goes. At this point he seems committed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Just now, HappyDays said: I'm really interested to see where this goes. Hopefully it is the first flaw of many that finally brings down this organization. That is an entirely different defense without that guy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Doc said: At this point he seems committed. Lets go Lions.. Saw a stat - with Jones KC was like 5 or 6th in pressure. Without him they're 28th. Plus Clark is gone.. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Lets go Lions.. Saw a stat - with Jones KC was like 5 or 6th in pressure. Without him they're 28th. Plus Clark is gone.. Yeah, he changes their defense. I'm curious to see how much the line moves when it's announced he's not playing. And this is likely his last contract. I can see him missing half the season and then becoming an UFA next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Stand your ground Chris! We support you! 6 4 11 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, Doc said: At this point he seems committed. Having helped that city win two Super Bowls in recent years I don't see him feeling bad about holding out, barring some change I'd expect him to follow through with what he said he'd do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Stand your ground Chris! We support you! The man deserves his money! Maybe Mahomes should strike in solidarity. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Crazy but I actually think this could be the thread that unravels the Chiefs 23 season. More points given up, means defense spends more time on field, offense less. Chiefs O will need to score even more points with less clock, putting strain on aging TE Kelce. Mahomes can make magic happen, but he’s not a God, just a magician. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Stand your ground Chris! We support you! I mean he got to feed his family right? How is he supposed to do that under his current contract. KC is heartless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Stop bumping this, I keep thinking it means he's signed! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 He actually deserves to be the highest paid defensive player at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) This article from Over The Cap sheds some light on why the Chiefs and Chris Jones are so far apart: https://overthecap.com/thoughts-on-the-chiefs-offer-to-chris-jones Essentially teams always value contracts based on new money given out above the player's current contract, not on the total value of the new contract. Under that system of valuation, what Chris Jones is asking for exceeds the value that Aaron Donald got in his most recent contract. The Chiefs don't want to pay him more than Aaron Donald so the two sides are not close right now. Either way he will have to report in week 8 to get credit for the final year of his contract so this won't completely tank their season, but if we're lucky they'll start off slower than anticipated. Edited September 3, 2023 by HappyDays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 25 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Having helped that city win two Super Bowls in recent years I don't see him feeling bad about holding out, barring some change I'd expect him to follow through with what he said he'd do. I don't either. He'll get paid ~$10M by missing half the season and returning in time to accrue a season to get to UFA. The ~$10M he loses will be more than made up for many times over in his next contract with another team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 He is getting traded to Seahawks for a first round pick and safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, billsherd said: He is getting traded to Seahawks for a first round pick and safety. Breaking News? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 The Bills don’t have anyone of value under contract at DT next year, I’ll send the Chiefs our 1 and their choice of S for him, right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 58 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Crazy but I actually think this could be the thread that unravels the Chiefs 23 season. More points given up, means defense spends more time on field, offense less. Chiefs O will need to score even more points with less clock, putting strain on aging TE Kelce. Mahomes can make magic happen, but he’s not a God, just a magician. Yes and no. I mean, it will hurt them if he sticks to his word and sits until week 8 if no agreement is made. But if he finally reports then he will be plenty fresh and rested for the playoff run and beyond. 8 weeks of bumps, bruises and exhaustion taken away and fresh as a daisy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I have this odd feeling Nick Wright's 20-0 prediction won't make it past week 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 It's sad that Diggs wants out of Buffalo so bad that it's making Chris Jones hold out. When will his Diva-dom ever end?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Yes and no. I mean, it will hurt them if he sticks to his word and sits until week 8 if no agreement is made. But if he finally reports then he will be plenty fresh and rested for the playoff run and beyond. 8 weeks of bumps, bruises and exhaustion taken away and fresh as a daisy. But for the weeks he is gone that does damage to the rest of the roster. See 22 Bills after Von went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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