LeGOATski Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 What if a swarm of angry wasps enters the hole in the roof? They can go in any direction. None of us are covered. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 7 hours ago, SoMAn said: Maybe the contractors don’t want live video of 10 of their union workers standing around a bon fire for an hour before work begins while they sip their morning coffee. Or the company's non-union owner lighting his cigar with $100 bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 4 hours ago, Heitz said: OK, I see the roof, but now I'm noticing there are NO SIDES - THIS IS A COUNTY FAIR STADIUM! TERRY IS RALPH! HOW THEY HELL ARE THEY GOING TO KEEP THE RAIN OUT AND CONFUSE THE WIND WITH NO SIDES ON THIS THING!?! Am I doing it right? Aren't they building another side? I only see one side! Edited February 16 by PromoTheRobot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/15/2024 at 10:39 AM, May Day 10 said: “Closer”? Why then is the 1st row of seats in the lower bowl ~15-20’ farther away from the field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 8 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: “Closer”? Why then is the 1st row of seats in the lower bowl ~15-20’ farther away from the field? They want to be sure to leave enough room for a running track in there, then if the Bills ever leave they can have track & field events! 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 hours ago, LabattBlue said: “Closer”? Why then is the 1st row of seats in the lower bowl ~15-20’ farther away from the field? It’s all about sight lines, not distance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s all about sight lines, not distance. Just quoting the diagram… Closer = More Intimidating. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 This place is going to be tremendously unaffordable 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 39 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said: This place is going to be tremendously unaffordable Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 12 hours ago, Bob Jones said: They want to be sure to leave enough room for a running track in there, then if the Bills ever leave they can have track & field events! 😉 I would guess they want to leave room for a soccer field 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/15/2024 at 10:01 PM, Steptide said: I think the biggest thing is the wind won't be a factor in the new stadium. As long as the stadium is in Orchard Park, NY and not covered, the wind will be a MAJOR factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 6 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said: As long as the stadium is in Orchard Park, NY and not covered, the wind will be a MAJOR factor. What I've read from the engineers is that it is being built to block the wind and that it'll be nothing like the current stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Steptide said: What I've read from the engineers is that it is being built to block the wind and that it'll be nothing like the current stadium It’ll be a significant improvement over the current stadium as the end zones aren’t open. The entire new stadium is taller and much more enclosed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 20 hours ago, LabattBlue said: Just quoting the diagram… Closer = More Intimidating. 😉 Where on the diagram do you see a field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/13/2024 at 6:59 PM, mrags said: Been wondering that myself since about 9 months ago when reps were saying expect it in the spring time last year. Here we are a year later and still nothing They were hoping they'd win a Super Bowl before then so they could justify making the fee higher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 20 hours ago, BaaadThingsMan said: This place is going to be tremendously unaffordable Honestly once Allen retires and the bills suck again I think they could have a very hard time selling out the stadium. Buffalo is too small of a market to support a bad team with high prices. Yes they sold out games during the drought years. But tickets were dirt cheap and people treated it like a party. Tickets will be much more expensive now. Plus the at home viewing experience is much better, and I think people are less willing to sit in garbage weather nowadays. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, Steptide said: What I've read from the engineers is that it is being built to block the wind and that it'll be nothing like the current stadium The more north/south orientation and much shallower bowl alone will mitigate most of the wind factor and that’s before adding the wind confusing elements in the construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 11 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: They were hoping they'd win a Super Bowl before then so they could justify making the fee higher. I’d imagine you are 1000000000% right on that 4 minutes ago, K-9 said: The more north/south orientation and much shallower bowl alone will mitigate most of the wind factor and that’s before adding the wind confusing elements in the construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 27 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Where on the diagram do you see a field? Look at the first row of seats for old stadium, and then compare with new stadium overlay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 8 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Look at the first row of seats for old stadium, and then compare with new stadium overlay. It’s probably because they chinced out and literally copied the main blueprints for Tottenheim and because it’s a soccer field it’s larger. Pegula is cheap, couldn’t even pay for a new design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 19 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Look at the first row of seats for old stadium, and then compare with new stadium overlay. Closer, except, you know, not. This is place I will realistically go two, maybe three times in my life by the time it's built. The longer this process goes I realize the less I care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 21 minutes ago, mrags said: It’s probably because they chinced out and literally copied the main blueprints for Tottenheim and because it’s a soccer field it’s larger. Pegula is cheap, couldn’t even pay for a new design Tottenham pitch is over 20 yards wider than an NFL field. I doubt that is true. More likely they cheaped-out on the graphic design team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, Steptide said: What I've read from the engineers is that it is being built to block the wind and that it'll be nothing like the current stadium Not happening 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 28 minutes ago, QCity said: Tottenham pitch is over 20 yards wider than an NFL field. I doubt that is true. More likely they cheaped-out on the graphic design team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said: Not happening Why? The stadium is enclosed. It's not half under ground like the current stadium. Not sure why blocking the wind would be so impossible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, Steptide said: Why? The stadium is enclosed. It's not half under ground like the current stadium. Not sure why blocking the wind would be so impossible I think we need to differentiate between “blocking” and “reducing.” Nothing short of a dome will eliminate it, but I’ll be very interested to see how it works out. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 4 hours ago, Augie said: I think we need to differentiate between “blocking” and “reducing.” Nothing short of a dome will eliminate it, but I’ll be very interested to see how it works out. The thing I would like to know is the real life uses that this "wind confusion" meshing has been tested out/used in. Can't help but think it's likely something that was designed for places that have never had snow let alone the amount that usually hits Buffalo. Edited February 18 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 8 hours ago, LabattBlue said: Look at the first row of seats for old stadium, and then compare with new stadium overlay. That's just the side profile of the seats. How are you confirming distance from the field if there is no field on the diagram? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 21 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: That's just the side profile of the seats. How are you confirming distance from the field if there is no field on the diagram? I am guessing the dotted red line is where the sideline is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: I am guessing the dotted red line is where the sideline is. It's not. It's the slope of the upper level. See the blue dotted line for the current stadium? Obviously the field doesn't start underneath the stands in the current stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Will this change the angle of TV coverage. For example I hate the Jets games view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: It's not. It's the slope of the upper level. See the blue dotted line for the current stadium? Obviously the field doesn't start underneath the stands in the current stadium. I might argue with that. The first row in the sidelines may not be as low as the current stadium. I’m sure they would rather have some more space away from fans right on top of the players while on sideline. As well as it is likely better for the fans to be up 5’ compared to what it currently is now. The first few rows have a hard time seeing the action over the players on the sidelines as it is. End zones are likely free game and will be just as low. And from what I have seen they will offer field level seating in at least one end zone. There’s quite a few stadiums that have them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 11 hours ago, Steptide said: Why? The stadium is enclosed. It's not half under ground like the current stadium. Not sure why blocking the wind would be so impossible Reduced impact for winds, yes. No impacts from winds..not a chance. The best way I can describe is to have you do an experiment. Grab an empty soda bottle and put a bunch of small pieces of paper in the bottom. With the cap off (lol) blow across the top of the bottle. What happens? When 50-70mph winds are blowing across the top of the the stadium some of that energy can mix down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said: Reduced impact for winds, yes. No impacts from winds..not a chance. The best way I can describe is to have you do an experiment. Grab an empty soda bottle and put a bunch of small pieces of paper in the bottom. With the cap off (lol) blow across the top of the bottle. What happens? When 50-70mph winds are blowing across the top of the the stadium some of that energy can mix down. My wife suggests I see a shrink. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 2/15/2024 at 5:14 PM, SoCal Deek said: Not this again. Just like the sun casts a shadow that isn’t straight down so does the roof cast a rain or snow ‘shadow’. So while one side will see rain hit the first few rows that are technically under the cover on one side, the other side will receive the equivalent but opposite benefit. Choose your seats accordingly. 👍 Not building a dome is going to be a topic of conversation for another 50 years 😂. Especially in 20 years when the cost of domes will be $10 Billion, there will be a ton of fans screaming “we could have done it for only $500 million more!!!!”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 19 hours ago, Steptide said: What I've read from the engineers is that it is being built to block the wind and that it'll be nothing like the current stadium Can we ADD wind coming in from the sides to push Bass’s slices back inside the upright? Im thinking some sort of dam system where we open large hydraulic doors that let in wind at key moments! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 19 hours ago, Process said: Honestly once Allen retires and the bills suck again I think they could have a very hard time selling out the stadium. Buffalo is too small of a market to support a bad team with high prices. Yes they sold out games during the drought years. But tickets were dirt cheap and people treated it like a party. Tickets will be much more expensive now. Plus the at home viewing experience is much better, and I think people are less willing to sit in garbage weather nowadays. Thanks Jurrah. Jerry Jones forced this on Pegula and Pegs just rolled over for belly scratches. Now the average fan will be forced out by the prices. A buddy of mine, RIP Zach, was a 30 year season ticket holder and would have been one of the many who won't be able to afford them for the new place. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 28 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said: Thanks Jurrah. Jerry Jones forced this on Pegula and Pegs just rolled over for belly scratches. Now the average fan will be forced out by the prices. A buddy of mine, RIP Zach, was a 30 year season ticket holder and would have been one of the many who won't be able to afford them for the new place. So what would your solution have been? Just keep pumping hundreds of millions of dollars into the old stadium? Prices would still increase 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said: So what would your solution have been? Just keep pumping hundreds of millions of dollars into the old stadium? Prices would still increase They are in a hard spot. Either build a new stadium and price some people out or the team moves. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 hours ago, BaaadThingsMan said: Thanks Jurrah. Jerry Jones forced this on Pegula and Pegs just rolled over for belly scratches. Now the average fan will be forced out by the prices. A buddy of mine, RIP Zach, was a 30 year season ticket holder and would have been one of the many who won't be able to afford them for the new place. Belly scratch and a leash. Jurrah's company even gets a cut. I wonder if he also had option to buy team first so he could be first owner with team in AFC and NFC. Kim never would have gone for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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