RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

[eball]

36 minutes ago, since79 said:

great in traffic, know how to shield with their body, have a firm grip on the ball in the paint and find open space in smaller holes

 

are you describing the perfect date?

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, balln said:

Yes. He’s so damn fluid and his body control and way he immediately catches and rolls his momentum into YAc. He has that kelce wiggle. Super pumped about him 

That’s first thing I noticed too in his highlights.  He catches the ball effortlessly and then is immediately getting upfield.  Kelce was first guy I thought of.  

[Mat68]

Diggs Davis Knox Kincaid Cook.  Buffalo can run every modern NFL formation at any time without substituting.  

[947]

14 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

This is just flat out false. Michael Mayer had more yards and TDs than Kincaid. You guys are crazy. 

It's actually not false. You must not be counting Kincaid's stats at U of San Diego.

 

Career stats

Kincaid: 175 rec, 2,623 yards, 34 TDs

Mayer: 180 rec, 2,099 yards, 18 TDs

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Just now, 947 said:

It's actually not false. You must not be counting Kincaid's stats at U of San Diego.

 

Career stats

Kincaid: 175 rec, 2,623 yards, 34 TDs

Mayer: 180 rec, 2,099 yards, 18 TDs

See?! Mayer had 5 more catches!

[Bockeye]

22 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

This is just flat out false. Michael Mayer had more yards and TDs than Kincaid. You guys are crazy. 

You should be thrilled we have Shakir then. By your standards, he absolutely blows away the first two WR’s taken in this draft. No need for another. 
 

Shakir is 6’0” 196lbs, with 9 ½” hands and 22 years old. He’s a great athlete with speed who ran a 4.43 40-yard dash and a 34.5” vertical jump. Shakir played four years at Boise State; he ranks fifth all-time in receptions with 208, fourth in receiving yards with 2,878 and sixth in career 100-yard receiving games with 10 such games. In his final season at school (2021), he posted career highs in catches with 77, receiving yards with 1,117 and touchdowns with seven. Shakir was a first-team All-Mountain West player in 2020 and 2021. He also can play running back, he had 71 carries for 414 yards and four touchdowns in his collegiate career. 

[BigDingus]

18 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

This is just flat out false. Michael Mayer had more yards and TDs than Kincaid. You guys are crazy. 

 

Didn't Dawson Knox barely have any yards and zero TDs in college, yet we still took him in the 3rd round? 

 

Sometimes your abilities and potential aren't clearly reflected in your stats. 

 

Just checked, Knox's best season at Ole Miss was 24 receptions, 321 yards & 0 TDs his junior year. His senior year was 15 receptions, 284 yards, and 0 TDs.

 

Even though he's not DOMINANT now, he was capable of far more than his college stats showed

 

[1ManRaid]

1 hour ago, ytownblofan said:

 

For the sake of argument, let's say this is true. How many "good corners" do most teams carry? 1 maybe 2. Cool, let's say 2 just for the argument, one on Diggs with likely bracket coverage, and the other "good corner" on Kincaid. Does that leave a team's 3rd best corner alone on an island against Davis? 

 

I present you, Gabe Davis, against an average corner with no safety help:

 

 

 

IronMaidenBills is just outing himself as one of those "I'm never happy unless my team is stocked with nothing less than 53 unanimous 1st Team All Pros".

 

1- He's just flat out wrong about Gabe being "not good".  He has borderline elite abilities, just with a drops issue that led to our new OC not trusting him with a higher workload.  He still produced well despite his drops. Does he forget all the examples (like your image) of Davis torching "average" DBs?

 

2- I'll never get the mindset of people who think complicated things are "just that easy" to solve.  Like "they'll just put a good CB on Kincaid".  Well.....what about Kincaid being good?  Why is the good CB (if one is even available, like you said) automatically shutting down the good TE?  Will the top TE TD machine in the nation NEVER win that battle?  Why is a lighter defensive scheme with more "good" DBs being weaker to the run not considered?  WHO THEN DO YOU PUT ON KNOX, or the slot receiver?

 

*edit*

Ok this point is just too stupid to not hammer a bit more.  Like wah we don't have enough weapons for Josh.  "OK Beane here, I will then use our single 1st round pick on a great weapon for Josh, I hope that appeases you Mr Random Fan".  But no wah again, I don't like that pick because we STILL don't have enough weapons for Josh.  Like WTF did you want, us to NOT draft him and just have even fewer weapons?  Guh...

Edited April 28, 2023 by 1ManRaid

[jethro_tull]

22 minutes ago, Ben said:

I dont think its been pointed out yet that we now have 2 guys at TE who are 6'4" 250, how many nfl defenses have 1 guy with that size speed let alone 2? How do you defend this?

knox plays much smaller.  kincaid is the real deal.

[1ManRaid]

25 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

This is just flat out false. Michael Mayer had more yards and TDs than Kincaid. You guys are crazy. 

 

Kincaid had more TDs in a 2 year span (19) than Mayer had in his career (18).  Just admit you don't know what you're talking about.

[CorkScrewHill]

2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Ask Beane, he said if Kincaid wasn’t there he would have traded down. Who would he have traded down with? 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/28/falcons-titans-raiders-were-trying-to-get-back-into-round-one/

[jethro_tull]

Super excited about this kid and pick!  Near the top of sure handed receivers in the league, a great blocker, monster YAC, big and fast, dominant in contested catches, great route runner, football sense off the charts and the position that the Bills will benefit most from with this type of player IMHO.  

The final link in the championship recipe, our gronk, our kelsay, our dallas goeddart.  this.  is.  it!  

!▪!▪! BOWL !!▪!▪!

Way to go BILLS!

I cant believe it!  Great move...

Edited April 28, 2023 by jethro_tull

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

FWIW, Chris Simms, who may have watched a minute of film in his life, guessed him at 4.5.

 

Yo!  @Buffalo716!  Put your scouting hat on, watch some Dalton Kincaid highlights, and give us your best guess.

I have seen a bunch of kincaid … including knowing he was a basketball star which hurt his college offers… but basketball players turned TE is my jam

 

im very impressed with his ability 

 

I think he’s squarely under a 4.6 with how smooth he is … probably a 4.55-4.58… on a bad day maybe 4.6

 

[Mat68]

7 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

IronMaidenBills is just outing himself as one of those "I'm never happy unless my team is stocked with nothing less than 53 unanimous 1st Team All Pros".

 

1- He's just flat out wrong about Gabe being "not good".  He has borderline elite abilities, just with a drops issue that led to our new OC not trusting him with a higher workload.  He still produced well despite his drops. Does he forget all the examples (like your image) of Davis torching "average" DBs?

 

2- I'll never get the mindset of people who think complicated things are "just that easy" to solve.  Like "they'll just put a good CB on Kincaid".  Well.....what about Kincaid being good?  Why is the good CB (if one is even available, like you said) automatically shutting down the good TE?  Will the top TE TD machine in the nation NEVER win that battle?  Why is a lighter defensive scheme with more "good" DBs being weaker to the run not considered?  WHO THEN DO YOU PUT ON KNOX, or the slot receiver?

Great now you run the ball.  The 6 ft 190 guy who is play press now let the 6-3 245 guy beat him up in the run game.  Thats dictating to the defense. Make them declare themselves one way or another.  The book has been written on the Bills offense for years now.  The Bills offense has become predictable.  Allen is good enough to where most the time it doesnt matter.  Kincaid adds scheme and formation flexibility and fluidity.  

[Milanos Milano]

15 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Kincaid had more TDs in a 2 year span (19) than Mayer had in his career (18).  Just admit you don't know what you're talking about.

Mayer had 3 years at 18 (9 this year 7 the year before)Kincaid had 16 in 2 years try again. 

Edited April 28, 2023 by IronMaidenBills

[TheFunPolice]

I'd hate to be all logical and stuff, but if Mayer is obviously so much better then why didn't anyone else draft him? Every team could use a great TE. 

 

I'll freely admit that I don't know or watch college football, so the draft is just fun to watch for me but I have no rooting interest other than the Bills getting a guy the size of a Tesla at some point. 

Edited April 28, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[Milanos Milano]

19 TDs is a flat out lie. Kincaid had 16 TDs , the same Mayer had in 2 years. 
 

Im not counting Kincaid prior junk years because of a bad program. 
 

On a 2 year basis comparison, Mayer and Kincaid were equal receiving options. 

Edited April 28, 2023 by IronMaidenBills

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

22 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Sometimes your abilities and potential aren't clearly reflected in your stats. 

 

LOL; that's awesome!

 

[MPL]

45 minutes ago, Ben said:

I dont think its been pointed out yet that we now have 2 guys at TE who are 6'4" 250, how many nfl defenses have 1 guy with that size speed let alone 2? How do you defend this?

Easy — send an extra pass rusher at Spencer Brown. 

[1ManRaid]

6 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Great now you run the ball.  The 6 ft 190 guy who is play press now let the 6-3 245 guy beat him up in the run game.  Thats dictating to the defense. Make them declare themselves one way or another.  The book has been written on the Bills offense for years now.  The Bills offense has become predictable.  Allen is good enough to where most the time it doesnt matter.  Kincaid adds scheme and formation flexibility and fluidity.  

 

Yeah "make the D declare themselves" is exactly what the radio guys were saying about putting out 2 TE sets.  More DBs?  OK we run it down your throats.  More LBs/DL?  OK good luck covering elite pass catching TEs with LBs or dropping a DE into coverage.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

19 TDs is a flat out lie. Kincaid had 16 TDs , the same Mayer had in 2 years. 

 

Yes, we get it. Mayer is the best TE ever to come from the draft, even though teams in the TE market didn't bother to draft him in the first, despite being given the opportunity to do so.

Meanwhile, Kincaid is woeful, dreadful, awful, and will cost Beane and McDermott their jobs whilst Josh will go from a top five QB to bottom five QB simply because of him.

We get it.

[Low Positive]

Kincaid? Any relation to this guy?

 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Yes, we get it. Mayer is the best TE ever to come from the draft, even though teams in the TE market didn't bother to draft him in the first, despite being given the opportunity to do so.

Meanwhile, Kincaid is woeful, dreadful, awful, and will cost Beane and McDermott their jobs whilst Josh will go from a top five QB to bottom five QB simply because of him.

We get it.

Technically Mayer hasn't come from the draft yet.

[QLBillsFan]

2 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

This much excitement about an iffy TE prospect?

 

Yeah, Gronk, Kelce and Ertz like he already is comparable to.

 

🤪

 

 

 

 

 

 

You mean a top 10 player in this draft taken at 25 by the Bills. Who will force defenses to change how they play the Bills in particular in the red zone? An area where we have struggled. What was BB thinking 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Yes, we get it. Mayer is the best TE ever to come from the draft, even though teams in the TE market didn't bother to draft him in the first, despite being given the opportunity to do so.

Meanwhile, Kincaid is woeful, dreadful, awful, and will cost Beane and McDermott their jobs whilst Josh will go from a top five QB to bottom five QB simply because of him.

We get it.

I never said Kincaid was woeful, or bad. 

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Technically Mayer hasn't come from the draft yet.

 

True, should be "in the draft"!

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I never said Kincaid was woeful, or bad. 

 

The way you're going on about it makes it sound like you think it - it's coming across that you think it's a disastrous pick which we'll regret, ergo he must be a bad player.

Edited April 28, 2023 by UKBillFan

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

True, should be "in the draft"!

 

The way you're going on about it makes it sound like you think it - it's coming across that you think it's a disastrous pick that we'll regreat, ergo he must be a bad player.

Where did I say we would regret it? All I said was Mayer > Kincaid. 

[Draconator]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I never said Kincaid was woeful, or bad. 

Yes you did.

[Motorin']

9 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

19 TDs is a flat out lie. Kincaid had 16 TDs , the same Mayer had in 2 years. 
 

Im not counting Kincaid prior junk years because of a bad program. 
 

On a 2 year basis comparison, Mayer and Kincaid were equal receiving options. 

 

What about catch percentage and drop percentage? How's that compare?

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Draconator said:

Yes you did.

I said he was Gesicki 

[947]

It's very telling that Dallas didn't draft Mayer after Kincaid was stolen out from under their noses. Then Cincy passed on him when they have a need. I'm guessing few, if any, teams had Mayer rated higher than Kincaid.

[1ManRaid]

5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

19 TDs is a flat out lie. Kincaid had 16 TDs , the same Mayer had in 2 years. 
 

Im not counting Kincaid prior junk years because of a bad program. 
 

On a 2 year basis comparison, Mayer and Kincaid were equal receiving options. 

 

Regardless of what you feel "doesn't count" which is such a cop out, he still averaged 1.5 more yards per catch.

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

I know this is Toxic Bills Drive, but how about we complain about it if it actually happens? Geez.

 

 

It was just a joke, Francis, lighten up.

 

 

 

 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Where did I say we would regret it? All I said was Mayer > Kincaid. 

 

Not as a receiver, which is what the Bills want to use him as.

[QLBillsFan]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I never said Kincaid was woeful, or bad. 

The Cowboys were not happy the Bills scooped Kincaid. Meyer is a very good traditional TE and will have a nice career. The Cowboys felt along with the NFL that he wasn’t worth a first round pick. It’s a deep NFL draft at TE. Meyer will go by 45 and have a good career. Kincaid is a dynamic deep threat who forces the D to respect. He’s going to be a big WR and will make everyone else better especially in the red zone. 

[Warcodered]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

Where did I say we would regret it? All I said was Mayer > Kincaid. 

yes, and you've said it, and you've said it, and you've said it. I feel like the point has been made.

 

At this point it feels more like you're actively creating a sentiment of people to actively hope Mayer is just a hilarious bust at this point and he hasn't even been drafted by a team we hate yet.

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Not as a receiver, which is what the Bills want to use him as.

This is a lie. They had the same receiving production. Where do people get this from. 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

Where did I say we would regret it? All I said was Mayer > Kincaid. 

 

If that is the case, why didn't the Cowboys snap him up rather than reaching directly afterwards?

 

I think we also have to consider the style of play as well. Mayer is more of a traditional TE, but the Bills already has one of those in Knox. Kincaid is more of a TE/WR hybrid which will suit their offense more.

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I said he was Gesicki 

Who's still better than Tommy Sweeney. 

[1ManRaid]

1 minute ago, 947 said:

It's very telling that Dallas didn't draft Mayer after Kincaid was stolen out from under their noses. Then Cincy passed on him when they have a need. I'm guessing few, if any, teams had Mayer rated higher than Kincaid.

 

Yes, I would like IMB to address why Dallas would pass on IMB's clear #1 TE after the Bills foolishly jumped them to take the wrong TE.

16 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Mayer had 3 years at 18 (9 this year 7 the year before)Kincaid had 16 in 2 years try again. 

 

Kincaid had 35 in 4 years try again.