2023 NFL Combine Results and News

[newcam2012]

7 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said:

Trust me i don't disagree. My mind says NO, but the flesh is weak someone help me i'm a sinner.😯

We are all sinners my friend. 

[BillsShredder83]

9 hours ago, balln said:

damn addison ran a 4.55!?

 

passsssss

WR value may not be there folks. TE value better

Perfect. Dude just looks better than everyone else. His Playing speed looks to be much higher, never would've guessed 4.5 for him

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

He’s going to have to go where a really good structure is in place and they are patient with him cause unlike Josh who was the team at Wyoming…Richardson played with some decent talent at Florida and he looked brutal at times. I think Carolina or Seattle come to mind 

Richardson needs some Jordan Palmer in his life right now

[Andy1]

EJ Manuel has reappeared as a commentator on NFL Network talking the combine. Glad to see he found a career for his skill set. 

[Richard Noggin]

Interesting that reports are coming out about both Addison and Hyatt, I think, dealing with injuries and planning to complete their tests at pro days.

 

Funny how only slightly disappointing 40 times for these top prospects sets the PR wheels in motion.

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Perfect. Dude just looks better than everyone else. His Playing speed looks to be much higher, never would've guessed 4.5 for him

I have been saying this for sometime now I don’t feel like this wide receiver. Class is strong.
 

Offensive line, please, or trade down

[gonzo1105]

52 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

EJ Manuel has reappeared as a commentator on NFL Network talking the combine. Glad to see he found a career for his skill set. 

He has been a commentator for the ACC Network for the last couple of years 

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

No to defense! Sorry man. The 27th  pick has to be an offensive player. I wouldn't mind if every pick was offensive.

 

I'm going into rhis year with the mindset of giving Allen protection and weapons. Let him cook. 

 

The defense falls where it falls. McD can try to get the best out of what he has. 

 

The organization has to change its mentality and focus. For too long it has concentrated on upgrading the defense. It hasn't worked come playoff time. 

 

The only way I would support it is if it was in a trade down where we picked up an additional second round pick
 

If we go mostly office in this draft, but end up taking a high end, needed player like a linebacker I wouldn’t hate it

[Richard Noggin]

Lot of these combine QBs out there looking like ME with respect to measurables. Shameful.

[newcam2012]

26 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The only way I would support it is if it was in a trade down where we picked up an additional second round pick
 

If we go mostly office in this draft, but end up taking a high end, needed player like a linebacker I wouldn’t hate it

Disagree and I know I'm likely in the minority. I know a lot depends on the board. Of course, if there's a glaring discrepancy then I can see the defensive pick. 

 

However, at pick 27 I tend to think there will be some good value on the offensive side. 

 

The Bills can always try to get a stop gap LB on the cheap. Too bad  Bernard can't step in. He looks to be a wasted pick. 

 

Just my two cents. 

Edited March 5, 2023 by newcam2012

[Maine-iac]

Lots of needs we could shoot to fill in the first couple of rounds.  I wonder how late in the draft that Princeton kid will be around at WR.

[CapeBreton]

After this combine I’m more interested in the Tight Ends than the Wide Receivers, TE class is loaded. 

[Maine-iac]

9 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

After this combine I’m more interested in the Tight Ends than the Wide Receivers, TE class is loaded. 

Some of those TE's were almost the size of OL players from the SB teams era.  That kid from Georgia was huge.

[H2o]

Workout Warrior Awards to this point:

 

Offense - Without a doubt it's Anthony Richardson. His workout has all of the sports media bobbleheads soiling themselves. Everyone knew he was super athletic coming into this, but now he throws a few 60 yard passes in underwear and they're all like . It's hilarious to me. The tape doesn't lie. He will need to be shown a lot of grace and get with someone who can help him work at his craft extensively. I think someone like Daboll could work wonders with the young man, but he's not making it to NY. And before you try to drag JA into this convo, he was the entire offense at Wyoming. A team made up of a couple low 3 star, some 2 star, and unranked talent around him. Richardson was at Florida with a bunch of high 3 star, some 4 star, and a 5 star or two talent around him. 

 

Defense - Adetomiwa Adebawore. A 6'2", 282lb DE who runs a 4.49 40-yard dash, a 37.5" vertical, and a 10'5" broad jump. These are definitely "wow" traits, and it has people talking, but he has a 74 TOT, 17.5 TFL, and 9.5 sacks in the last 2 years. Those aren't really "wow" numbers. He's a bit stiff, has trouble disengaging at times, and doesn't read things very quickly. But, yes, he is one heck of an athlete. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

11 hours ago, Doc said:

 

He also played about 3/4 of the time from the slot.

Yes. He was a 3rd rnd pick. If Addison was being looked at as a 3rd, I could see it and maybe taking that risk. But as a 1st? No thanks. Doesn't have a single elite trait/measurement,  21 drops on 186 catchable targets? Would we accept an 8.85%+ drop rate from a 1st rnd pick? We can barley handle that form a 4th and 5th rnd pick.

[MrEpsYtown]

15 minutes ago, H2o said:

Workout Warrior Awards to this point:

 

Offense - Without a doubt it's Anthony Richardson. His workout has all of the sports media bobbleheads soiling themselves. Everyone knew he was super athletic coming into this, but now he throws a few 60 yard passes in underwear and they're all like . It's hilarious to me. The tape doesn't lie. He will need to be shown a lot of grace and get with someone who can help him work at his craft extensively. I think someone like Daboll could work wonders with the young man, but he's not making it to NY. And before you try to drag JA into this convo, he was the entire offense at Wyoming. A team made up of a couple low 3 star, some 2 star, and unranked talent around him. Richardson was at Florida with a bunch of high 3 star, some 4 star, and a 5 star or two talent around him. 

 

Defense - Adetomiwa Adebawore. A 6'2", 282lb DE who runs a 4.49 40-yard dash, a 37.5" vertical, and a 10'5" broad jump. These are definitely "wow" traits, and it has people talking, but he has a 74 TOT, 17.5 TFL, and 9.5 sacks in the last 2 years. Those aren't really "wow" numbers. He's a bit stiff, has trouble disengaging at times, and doesn't read things very quickly. But, yes, he is one heck of an athlete. 

If I needed a QB, I would take Richardson. I like the raw athlete every time. I loved Justin Herbert coming out, guys like Trey Lance…it’s 50/50 but if you are taking a shot on a guy, this guy is the kind of guy I would shoot my shot on. I hate small qbs and game manager guys. I would make the argument that his presence at times raised the play of others. Like Torrence the guard, the big thing is that he doesn’t give up sacks. When you watch him play, Richardson bails out Torrence a lot. JMO, but I get why the scouts are drooling. 

[LEBills]

15 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

After this combine I’m more interested in the Tight Ends than the Wide Receivers, TE class is loaded. 

Michael Mayer plays like a stud but is slower and stubbier (31 and 5/8 arms, 9 and 1/2 inch hands) than the Bills seem to like. He is probably a first round pick in this draft which historically are not good investments for the drafting team.

 

Disappointed that Dalton Kincaid has a “tiny” fracture in his back that kept him out. He is likely going to fall behind some of these others where he was probably the TE2 before.

 

Musgrave looked great and very explosive but never really produced in college and had a season ending injury this year. He may be the first TE drafted but definitely a risk.

 

Zach Kuntz looked phenomenal. Enormous, athletic, good receiver. He had a great year of production in 2021 but is another player who had a season ending injury this year. He may be a second round pick now and is someone to consider at that point.

 

Tucker Kraft is another good talent coming off an injury riddled season. Dude is built thick and is awesome after the catch and was used effectively on sweeps. The testing showed someone more explosive than fast which is probably right. I think he would be an awesome compliment to Knox probably in the third round.

 

Darnell Washington is an enormous human. Intimidating. Pretty agile for his size but not explosive and isn’t gonna give a ton of playmaking. But heck of a blocker and will catch what comes to him. I’m not sure where he will go but it is probably going to be too soon imo.

Sam LaPorta is another TE I think the Bills will target in Rd3. Was pretty effective at operating out wide which you won’t see a ton out of this class. Good after the catch too. May have more in the tank too as Iowas offense was terrible this year. 

To your point this is a great TE class from a talent perspective. Injuries are the main concern. I think Musgrave in the second or Laporta, Kuntz or Kraft in the third would be amazing for the Bills. Especially LaPorta!

 

Mayer, Kincaid or even Washington would be good additions if you can get them at the right draft capital too. 

2 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Yes. He was a 3rd rnd pick. If Addison was being looked at as a 3rd, I could see it and maybe taking that risk. But as a 1st? No thanks. Doesn't have a single elite trait/measurement,  21 drops on 186 catchable targets? Would we accept an 8.85%+ drop rate from a 1st rnd pick? We can barley handle that form a 4th and 5th rnd pick.

Yea I don’t mind the speed because he has shown he can get open. But his small arms and hands attached to that drop rate have me off of him for the Bills now. 

[Doc]

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Isn't Tremaine still on the team and FA over a week away?

 

Have we heard a bad word out of McBeane about him.

 

Not saying it happens, but I think it's premature to pretend we can't retain Edmunds if we really want to, especially considering his age.

 

Make it a 6 year deal and frontload it with a big signing bonus. Makes the CAP hit this year 7-9 million, which doesn't hurt the team in terms of FA for other positions and keeps a player we drafted and developed, which is a big McBeane philosophy.

 

Tremaine said he'll test FA.  If he does, he's gone.  I can't see the Bills franchising him.

[78thealltimegreat]

3 minutes ago, LEBills said:

Michael Mayer plays like a stud but is slower and stubbier (31 and 5/8 arms, 9 and 1/2 inch hands) than the Bills seem to like. He is probably a first round pick in this draft which historically are not good investments for the drafting team.

 

Disappointed that Dalton Kincaid has a “tiny” fracture in his back that kept him out. He is likely going to fall behind some of these others where he was probably the TE2 before.

 

Musgrave looked great and very explosive but never really produced in college and had a season ending injury this year. He may be the first TE drafted but definitely a risk.

 

Zach Kuntz looked phenomenal. Enormous, athletic, good receiver. He had a great year of production in 2021 but is another player who had a season ending injury this year. He may be a second round pick now and is someone to consider at that point.

 

Tucker Kraft is another good talent coming off an injury riddled season. Dude is built thick and is awesome after the catch and was used effectively on sweeps. The testing showed someone more explosive than fast which is probably right. I think he would be an awesome compliment to Knox probably in the third round.

 

Darnell Washington is an enormous human. Intimidating. Pretty agile for his size but not explosive and isn’t gonna give a ton of playmaking. But heck of a blocker and will catch what comes to him. I’m not sure where he will go but it is probably going to be too soon imo.

Sam LaPorta is another TE I think the Bills will target in Rd3. Was pretty effective at operating out wide which you won’t see a ton out of this class. Good after the catch too. May have more in the tank too as Iowas offense was terrible this year. 

To your point this is a great TE class from a talent perspective. Injuries are the main concern. I think Musgrave in the second or Laporta, Kuntz or Kraft in the third would be amazing for the Bills. Especially LaPorta!

 

Mayer, Kincaid or even Washington would be good additions if you can get them at the right draft capital too. 

One guy I would watch with the Bills in say the 5th round is Luke Schoonamker from Michigan he doesn’t do anything extraordinary but he does every thing well would make a nice TE2 prospect and won’t go as high as others. 

[MrEpsYtown]

10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Isn't Tremaine still on the team and FA over a week away?

 

Have we heard a bad word out of McBeane about him.

 

Not saying it happens, but I think it's premature to pretend we can't retain Edmunds if we really want to, especially considering his age.

 

Make it a 6 year deal and frontload it with a big signing bonus. Makes the CAP hit this year 7-9 million, which doesn't hurt the team in terms of FA for other positions and keeps a player we drafted and developed, which is a big McBeane philosophy.

He is 100% gone. Unless his market craters with all of these interesting linebackers in the draft. 
 

7 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Lot of these combine QBs out there looking like ME with respect to measurables. Shameful.

With all the spread RPO stuff these days, the QB doesn’t matter as much in the college game. Load up on skill players RBs and WRs. Find a smart kid who won’t turn the ball over and you can win a national championship. I think that is what we are seeing with these guys. 

Edited March 5, 2023 by MrEpsYtown

[Chaos]

10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

. Makes the CAP hit this year 7-9 million

Cap problems don't decrease after this year. Total cap hit still matters.  Campbell would be five years of a guy on a rookie contract. 

[SCBills]

I think the Josh Allen effect is valid this year.  
 

Bryce Young is the safest bet at QB, but due to his physical size, has limitations.  
 

AR and Levis are guys who could absolutely bust.. but if they hit…

 

And if I’m drafting a guy in the Top 5 and/or giving up massive draft capital to move up.. I’m taking a swing. 
 

Especially as an AFC Team.  
 

Safe isn’t contending in a conference with Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert and Lawrence over the next decade.  
 

[OldTimer1960]

Rashee Rice quietly had a nice day 41” vertical, really good broad jump and 4.51 40.  I’m still not fully sold on him getting open in the NFL because I didn’t see him get a lot of separation in college (but great production).  All that said, I’m a draft fan, not a scout.

 

 

[LyndonvilleBill]

26 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Rashee Rice quietly had a nice day 41” vertical, really good broad jump and 4.51 40.  I’m still not fully sold on him getting open in the NFL because I didn’t see him get a lot of separation in college (but great production).  All that said, I’m a draft fan, not a scout.

 

 

I really like Rice. Early on there was varying size and speed thoughts. Anywhere from 6' to 6'3" and 4.42 -4.55 40's. Had he come in at 6'2"+ and a 4.45, I thought he would be a great pick at 27. Now with true measurements,  I would love to get him at 59.😁

Edited March 5, 2023 by LyndonvilleBill

[78thealltimegreat]

27 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I think the Josh Allen effect is valid this year.  
 

Bryce Young is the safest bet at QB, but due to his physical size, has limitations.  
 

AR and Levis are guys who could absolutely bust.. but if they hit…

 

And if I’m drafting a guy in the Top 5 and/or giving up massive draft capital to move up.. I’m taking a swing. 
 

Especially as an AFC Team.  
 

Safe isn’t contending in a conference with Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert and Lawrence over the next decade.  
 

If you think this is bad wait till Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Bo Nix, Michael Pennix, and Deion’s kid come out next year. People will be jumping over chairs claiming these guys are the second coming when in reality like every other QB class you’ll have 1 or 2 hits and the rest will be busts 

[MrEpsYtown]

16 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

If you think this is bad wait till Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Bo Nix, Michael Pennix, and Deion’s kid come out next year. People will be jumping over chairs claiming these guys are the second coming when in reality like every other QB class you’ll have 1 or 2 hits and the rest will be busts 

I can’t wait for the controversy surrounding the possibility of your face of the franchise named Pennix

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I can’t wait for the controversy surrounding the possibility of your face of the franchise named Pennix

That's Penix Jr to you!

[whorlnut]

11 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Perfect. Dude just looks better than everyone else. His Playing speed looks to be much higher, never would've guessed 4.5 for him

This is actually good for us. Addison would be a perfect compliment to Diggs and he might fall a little now. Don’t let the combine eliminate the fact that addisons game tape is elite and he’s one of the best receivers in the draft. 

[Solomon Grundy]

I wonder if Tyler Scott was invited to the combine? If not, I'll be interested in seeing him at his pro day for Cincinnati

[Green Lightning]

9 hours ago, Andy1 said:

EJ Manuel has reappeared as a commentator on NFL Network talking the combine. Glad to see he found a career for his skill set. 

Don't have him cover the 40 times, he's got slow eyes.

[Figster]

14 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

This is actually good for us. Addison would be a perfect compliment to Diggs and he might fall a little now. Don’t let the combine eliminate the fact that addisons game tape is elite and he’s one of the best receivers in the draft. 

My guy right here to keep them Safety's back and open up Diggs.

 

 

Edited March 5, 2023 by Figster

[Solomon Grundy]

There seems to be a lot of Bills players helping out at the combine this year

[JaCrispy]

Flowers or Hyatt in the 1st round for me…

 

No Addison, No JSN- these guys do not appear to be first round talent to the naked eye…

[Green Lightning]

11 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

No to defense! Sorry man. The 27th  pick has to be an offensive player. I wouldn't mind if every pick was offensive.

 

I'm going into rhis year with the mindset of giving Allen protection and weapons. Let him cook. 

 

The defense falls where it falls. McD can try to get the best out of what he has. 

 

The organization has to change its mentality and focus. For too long it has concentrated on upgrading the defense. It hasn't worked come playoff time. 

 

Unless it’s a plug and play-n-starter I wouldn't draft offense at 27 for the sake of drafting offense. 

[Figster]

14 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Unless it’s a plug and play-n-starter I wouldn't draft offense at 27 for the sake of drafting offense. 

Hyatt is a plug in and play.

[H2o]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

If I needed a QB, I would take Richardson. I like the raw athlete every time. I loved Justin Herbert coming out, guys like Trey Lance…it’s 50/50 but if you are taking a shot on a guy, this guy is the kind of guy I would shoot my shot on. I hate small qbs and game manager guys. I would make the argument that his presence at times raised the play of others. Like Torrence the guard, the big thing is that he doesn’t give up sacks. When you watch him play, Richardson bails out Torrence a lot. JMO, but I get why the scouts are drooling. 

I understand that rationale, but it's a VERY risky proposition taking a guy in the top 10 like that. Especially if you are a new GM, with a new HC, and trying to establish yourself along with building a winning roster. If you already have a bridge QB and can bring him along slowly? Great. Otherwise, it may cost them their job. Honestly, he reminds me of Terrelle Pryor with a better vertical. 

[SCBills]

21 minutes ago, Figster said:

Hyatt is a plug in and play.

Not gonna lie… that quote from him may have sold me.   We need a lot more of that mentality on this team. 

[OldTimer1960]

44 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I wonder if Tyler Scott was invited to the combine? If not, I'll be interested in seeing him at his pro day for Cincinnati

He was and he struggled some.  

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Not gonna lie… that quote from him may have sold me.   We need a lot more of that mentality on this team. 

The quote that says he thinks he is the top receiver?  That sells me on nothing.  Guy is fast and can catch deep balls.  We don’t know one way or the other if he can do anything else.

[Green Lightning]

27 minutes ago, Figster said:

Hyatt is a plug in and play.

Right, I'm saying if he's there, then take him. If he's not there, don't take a lesser player for the sake of taking offense. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Flowers or Hyatt in the 1st round for me…

 

No Addison, No JSN- these guys do not appear to be first round talent to the naked eye…

To my eye, Addison and JSN are MUCH better than Hyatt.  Both are technicians in route running, gaining separation and securing passes.  Hyatt looks like a track star with a limited route tree and questionable hands. Hyatt seemed to be running wide open on 90% of his targets.
 

Flowers looks to be a comparable talent to addison and JSN-  maybe not as refined but a better athlete.  
 

johnston, addison, JSN and Flowers look to be the WRs worth a look in rd 1 of this draft.  
 

Hyatt might be drafted rd 1 but he doesn’t have the WR skills (other than speed) to warrant the selection imo.  I see a lot of comparisons to a healthy Will Fuller…..but I don’t see that. I thought Fuller had much better ball skills and was a better route runner.  
 

it looks like there will be a few decent WR options in rd 2-4.  I love Jayden Reed and he’d be an absolute steal in rd 3 (but likely won’t be there for us there).  Boutte, Tillman, Washington, Tyler, Rice, Palmer,  Mims, Hutchinson, wicks, Wilson, Jarrett, nacua, Mingo, Perry, Jones, Green.  
 

If the top 4 WRs are gone, I hope we can trade down.  If Hyatt is the pick, so be it, I just don’t know if he’s ever going to be more than an MVS type (minus the height and wingspan).    Don’t reach on WR.  There’s some decent mid rd value value imo.   I’d rather draft Wright/Mauch or another OL rather than reach on WR

 

Edited March 5, 2023 by NewEra