Jump to content

Kurt Warner's "Study Ball" review of Bengals game.


Maine-iac

Recommended Posts

2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Getting away from dumping money and high picks into the defense will only not be a philosophy when Beane and McDermott aren’t here. They are defense first guys. Last year the offensive upgrades were Saffold and Crowder on 1 year deals. 

That says it all there. Stafford was terrible and Crowder got injuried as usual. What a surprise. Let's hope Beasley and Brown can add something to the roster. Meanwhile, Hodges can make an immediate impact and continue catching TD passes from Daniel Jones. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

 

   Or design some counter plays once opponents 'know' what play will be when Hines goes in.  Sell a fake to Hines while the real target gets free with clear running for lots of yac.  Once there are multiple results from same looks then you can go up tempo  lil no huddle when u have a good mismatch for what defense is on field.  Make them react to what your team is dictating.  

 

I haven’t looked at the numbers but they typically brought in Hines in the redzone from what I could see. Redzone offense improved to a top 5 rate after the trade. So when we complain about Hines I don’t know if it makes sense. There just wasn’t enough snaps for a team that doesn’t use the RB well at all. This was a Daboll problem also.

 

Edited by Buffalo_Stampede
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Benching Singletary or Cook would go over brilliantly. We were already complaining about Cook usage. In fact that is still a better complaint. 

 

I hated when they gave snaps to Moss. I can’t say anything about giving snaps to Singletary and Cook. Our offense doesn’t utilize the RB well, that goes back to Daboll. It’s not a Dorsey thing. It could be an Allen thing. I would say it’s an Allen thing. He could probably hit the RB in the flat or right in front of him every time.It’s always there when watching games back.
 

All these fans that secretly know our offensive concepts and hot calls on this board should get into coaching also. I will always blame the QB. I blame the QB for nearly everything that goes wrong with the offense. I also credit almost every time things go right. That goes for protection, everything.
 

Josh is at his absolute unstoppable best when he’s dinking and dunking. When he’s hitting the RBs out of the backfield he’s unstoppable. LBs are lost. They can’t spy him and also cover the RB. It opened up the entire offense. For whatever reason last year Josh went away from that as the season went on and decided to become Daunte Culpepper launching balls down field to Moss.

 

I agree with the fact that were too many plays to count that Josh was forcing a long ball when at least one guy was open short, but I can’t fault Josh entirely for that. They reviewed the film and saw what we saw - was it just Josh that was blind to the fact that the short pass was open constantly - I can’t buy that entirely. The big variable this year was the change in OC and I think there was a long ball mindset that Dorsey came to rely on at the expense of a more balanced attack. Sure Josh has to take a lot of the blame for not looking to his secondary receivers, and it’s quite possible he decided to try and carry the team on his back instead of letting the game come to him. But as a coach, when you see that happening, isn’t it your job to deal with it and manage the player?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Dubie54 said:

I agree with the fact that were too many plays to count that Josh was forcing a long ball when at least one guy was open short, but I can’t fault Josh entirely for that. They reviewed the film and saw what we saw - was it just Josh that was blind to the fact that the short pass was open constantly - I can’t buy that entirely. The big variable this year was the change in OC and I think there was a long ball mindset that Dorsey came to rely on at the expense of a more balanced attack. Sure Josh has to take a lot of the blame for not looking to his secondary receivers, and it’s quite possible he decided to try and carry the team on his back instead of letting the game come to him. But as a coach, when you see that happening, isn’t it your job to deal with it and manage the player?

Josh has done this before. Josh is quoted as saying he’s never going to be a captain check down guy. It’s his mentality. It’s his own words.

 

Allen IMO was a better QB in 2022 then he was in 2021. He played better in the playoffs in 2021. I was down on Dorsey earlier in the year due to redzone offense. I feel like redzone is where OCs make their money. We improved greatly in that area as the year went on. Allen improved. Under Daboll we were always good in the redzone. 
 

Im just not seeing the issues with the OC. I use to defend Daboll on here also when people were attacking. I just don’t see it. The issues, mind you we’re talking about the number 2 ranked offense in the NFL, are Josh Allen and OL caused. I also feel like we lack WRs that gain separation other than Diggs. 

 

  • Like (+1) 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

39 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

That says it all there. Stafford was terrible and Crowder got injuried as usual. What a surprise. Let's hope Beasley and Brown can add something to the roster. Meanwhile, Hodges can make an immediate impact and continue catching TD passes from Daniel Jones. 

Saffold, Quessenberry and Crowder. Think about that. These are absolute dumpster dive cheap Jags who do nothing to improve this offense.  Q was the clown who almost ended Josh's season. Saffold our worst graded olineman and thanks for nothing Crowder. Meanwhile McMensa wastes a 1st round pick on a CB he hardly let's play. Mind- numbing.....

  • Like (+1) 1
  • Agree 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

35 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Saffold, Quessenberry and Crowder. Think about that. These are absolute dumpster dive cheap Jags who do nothing to improve this offense.  Q was the clown who almost ended Josh's season. Saffold our worst graded olineman and thanks for nothing Crowder. Meanwhile McMensa wastes a 1st round pick on a CB he hardly let's play. Mind- numbing.....

It is a disappointment many here saw coming with Saffold and Crowder. Saffold they definitely wanted. Crowder was a cheap chance they took. I was good with Crowder but obviously wrong. Beane saying the plan was for Crowder to take over Beasley’s role and McKenzie stay the same doesn’t make sense from what we saw all offseason. McKenzie was getting the majority of the slot reps even when Crowder was healthy. I think they just made a mistake thinking McKenzie was a real WR. 
 

Hodgins could’ve been that big slot WR. They obviously didn’t think he was a better option. It’s similar to them trading away Wyatt Teller. Poor roster management.

Edited by Buffalo_Stampede
  • Agree 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Bills offense reminded me of  the way the Chiefs offense in the first half of the 2021 season.  The defenses were giving them the short stuff and counting on Mahomes to lose patience and eventually force it and make a mistake.  Even when they were getting the yards, there was never any consistency nor momentum.

 

Mahomes and the Chiefs eventually figured it out and took what people gave them.   Of course, it was probably much easier to convince the qb with Kelce as an always available target and Andy Reid whose opinion has to be respected.

  • Like (+1) 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, Billy Claude said:

The Bills offense reminded me of  the way the Chiefs offense in the first half of the 2021 season.  The defenses were giving them the short stuff and counting on Mahomes to lose patience and eventually force it and make a mistake.  Even when they were getting the yards, there was never any consistency nor momentum.

 

Mahomes and the Chiefs eventually figured it out and took what people gave them.   Of course, it was probably much easier to convince the qb with Kelce as an always available target and Andy Reid whose opinion has to be respected.

Similar but that was vs 2 high safeties. 2 high you have to be patient. Allen and the Offense got out of rhythm vs many coverages this year. A lot of the time Allen is throwing deep it’s 1v1 coverages. It’s just a low % throw. Allen could easily argue he’s giving his guy a chance. Maybe I’m incorrect but it seemed like the majority of his deep shots had a good chance of completion with an accurate throw or the WR making a 1v1 catch. Not many throws into double coverage down field.
 

The turnovers and stuff was mostly in the redzone and just poor decisions.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

 

Josh works on one thing in particular every off-season that has always been his way. I’m hoping that he can find a way to work on throwing underneath routes and getting the ball out quicker.
 

This last year he was working on his long ball. That obviously has been much better.

Iirc that's what he worked on his 1st or 2nd off-season. He came out at beginning of the next year throwing a bunch of short quick throws. Think we played giants and jets back to back in NJ to start the year. 

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

A football game is not like running a marathon. You’re not out there on the open road all alone, with just you and your distracted mind. Who the heck is supposed to talking to, or yelling at, Josh DURING the game? Someone is supposed to be telling him that guys are open EVERYWHERE underneath if he’d just take the easy completion and move the darn chains. That was clearly the case against the Bengals but either nobody was telling him, or he simply wasn’t listening. Either way…it’s not good! 

  • Agree 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The bengals could have scored every time they touched the ball. God forbid our offense has an off day and doesn’t bail them out. Literally every week the offense wins us games, 1 time they don’t have it and that’s a big deal. How about once in a while have the defense making stops. You might have to win a game 13-10. You just never can because our defense absolutely blows. Let’s spend the offseason complaining about WRs and Dorsey though….keep not fixing the actual problem and wonder why we are watching the Super Bowl with the fans.

The defense didn't play well, but they did keep the Bengals under 30 points. That game was winnable.

  • Disagree 1
  • Haha (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, finn said:

The defense didn't play well, but they did keep the Bengals under 30 points. That game was winnable.

The bengals scored on every drive that mattered. Once it was clear the game was over and there was no threat, the foot was off the gas. There was zero resistance and the defense held them to nothing. When it was just a matter of running out time, that’s when they stopped pushing the issue. The bengals had anything they wanted from the start of the game. Either game honestly. We got lucky to get a no decision in the first.

  • Thank you (+1) 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Saffold, Quessenberry and Crowder. Think about that. These are absolute dumpster dive cheap Jags who do nothing to improve this offense.  Q was the clown who almost ended Josh's season. Saffold our worst graded olineman and thanks for nothing Crowder. Meanwhile McMensa wastes a 1st round pick on a CB he hardly let's play. Mind- numbing.....

I'm really starting to think this team won't even sniff a Super Bowl appearance. 

 

It's pretty clear the Chiefs and Cinci are better teams than Buffalo.

 

Other teams like Miami, Jets, Jags, and Chargers have closed the gap. I am thinking the Dolphins may very well be a better team than Buffalo. 

 

I'm thinking this upcoming season is going to open up a lot of people's eyes. 

 

 

  • Agree 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I like that Josh and Dorsey like to try to block it up and take shots downfield.  We have the receivers and game plan to do that.  What I think this video shows is that a couple in game tweaks and a quicker decision to attack underneath would land some big plays from a shorter passing game.  Picture Mike Tyson working on his jab.

  • Agree 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Check down, check down, check down, check down, check down.

 

Then get someone faster than Devon Singletary, Gabe Davis, and Dawson Knox if that’s all you want to do.

 

Also, the line is pathetic. A team brings half a pressure more and this offensive line falls apart. 
 

 

With all due respect, I believe you’re missing the point. The idea isn’t to go into the huddle with the intent of checking the ball down. The idea is for the QB to scan the field, and take the open receivers. Move the chains, and keep the drive moving. Josh failed to do that time and time again…which by the way exposes the weakness of the O Line, causing them to block longer than they have the skill set to do. 

  • Like (+1) 2
  • Agree 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Kurt’s analysis is basically Josh Allen lost this game by himself and no one else  is to blame. 

Warner has always critiqued Allen harshly 😆...Allen is far from the reason of our failure to reach a superbowl...it's bean for not getting the proper players around Allen and McDermott for valuing a defense first approach ...it's obvious McDermott runs this ship and bean is shopping for the players MCDERMOTT wants...McDermott is the biggest reason this team can't get over the hump and into a superbowl 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

48 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

With all due respect, I believe you’re missing the point. The idea isn’t to go into the huddle with the intent of checking the ball down. The idea is for the QB to scan the field, and take the open receivers. Move the chains, and keep the drive moving. Josh failed to do that time and time again…which by the way exposes the weakness of the O Line, causing them to block longer than they have the skill set to do. 

I wonder if some of the issues is Allen himself. Yes he is a great QB but judging how he's played and the plays he makes  I get the feeling he has a hard time reading the field. One thing he lacks which make Burrow and Mahomes a step above is adjusting at the line 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Jrb1979 said:

I wonder if some of the issues is Allen himself. Yes he is a great QB but judging how he's played and the plays he makes  I get the feeling he has a hard time reading the field. One thing he lacks which make Burrow and Mahomes a step above is adjusting at the line 

I think he sees the field well. He just looks to make the dynamic play as opposed to the simplistic play

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

With all due respect, I believe you’re missing the point. The idea isn’t to go into the huddle with the intent of checking the ball down. The idea is for the QB to scan the field, and take the open receivers. Move the chains, and keep the drive moving. Josh failed to do that time and time again…which by the way exposes the weakness of the O Line, causing them to block longer than they have the skill set to do. 

The whole offense seemed to never be on the same page. Often out of sync, rhythm, and lacking cohesion and identity. 

 

The Oline obviously has issues. No need to rehash them.

 

The run game and run game plan was sporadic and schizophrenic. The use of Rbs in the passing game is beyond questionable. Dorsey was the main issue for a lot of the above.

 

The pass game lost its potency. Besides Diggs the Bills had no reliable WR. The Bills WRs couldn't get any seoeration. Seemingly, the Bills WRs were always covered. Opposing defenses were all over the predictable passing scheme of the Bills. Dorsey was the main issue for a lot of the above.

 

However, Dorsey can't only be the one to blame. Plenty goes to head coach McD for his hands off approach especially with the offense.

 

Players play the game. Safford and Brown on the Oline were liabilities. Gabe and McKenzie are nice back ups. Brown and Beasley shouldn't be on the field. The Bills were desperate. 

 

Cook, Shakir, and Hines were underused and their skill set was mainly wasted. Coaching coaching coaching...

 

Lastly, Allen has to be discussed. Make no mistake about it he is elite and a top 5 QB. His poor play was a result of poor coaching, game planning, and lack of weapons. As a result, Allen pressed, took reckless chances, lost some confidence, and was a turnover machine. 

 

The offensive issues were exposed in that Cinci game. All the above was clearly evident in that game. It wasn't a "one off" as presented by Beane in his presser. As Beane stated many times you are as good as your last game. The last game tells you about your weaknesses. Conveniently, Beane skirts that issue. 

 

Folks, the writing is on the wall. This team is likely to regress. With Allen, the Bills always have a fighting chance. I'd argue the chances diminish so long as the current coaching staff remains. It's clear they can't get it done in the playoffs. Six years and counting. What's going to change now? 

Edited by newcam2012
  • Like (+1) 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The bengals could have scored every time they touched the ball. God forbid our offense has an off day and doesn’t bail them out. Literally every week the offense wins us games, 1 time they don’t have it and that’s a big deal. How about once in a while have the defense making stops. You might have to win a game 13-10. You just never can because our defense absolutely blows. Let’s spend the offseason complaining about WRs and Dorsey though….keep not fixing the actual problem and wonder why we are watching the Super Bowl with the fans.

2 INT's and 4 fumbles vs Miami was hardly the offense bailing out the defense.

  • Agree 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Dorsey had few hot reads or crossing routes all season. And yes Josh has to be coached up to value the checkdown as much as the fly route.  When your weapons are few and teams double Diggs, you revert to hero ball.

If it was hero ball why did he not run?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Some of us have been saying this for two weeks. It's popular to pile on coaching. But it's a PLAYERS game. That will never change. The coaching wasn't faultless, far from it. But guys on both sides just have to play better.

 

EDIT: and Josh is better when the ball comes out fast.

 

 

I think the main issue with the defense was obviously the ineffectiveness of the DL to generate a pass rush. KC played a lot of Cover 2 and it worked because they got pressure on Burrow. They didn’t even have to blitz. The Bills had trouble even when they sent blitzers. The Von Miller injury was a big loss, but we got very little from the DL that was out there. A lot of that was on the players. The coaches made the situation worse by doing things like repeatedly blitzing Edmunds. Lotta blame to go around.

  • Agree 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

A football game is not like running a marathon. You’re not out there on the open road all alone, with just you and your distracted mind. Who the heck is supposed to talking to, or yelling at, Josh DURING the game? Someone is supposed to be telling him that guys are open EVERYWHERE underneath if he’d just take the easy completion and move the darn chains. That was clearly the case against the Bengals but either nobody was telling him, or he simply wasn’t listening. Either way…it’s not good! 

McDermott needs to hold his QB accountable. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The bengals could have scored every time they touched the ball. God forbid our offense has an off day and doesn’t bail them out. Literally every week the offense wins us games, 1 time they don’t have it and that’s a big deal. How about once in a while have the defense making stops. You might have to win a game 13-10. You just never can because our defense absolutely blows. Let’s spend the offseason complaining about WRs and Dorsey though….keep not fixing the actual problem and wonder why we are watching the Super Bowl with the fans.


yes, cannot overlook 30 first downs…

 

…and when they did eventually stop them on the 3rd drive, they started dancing around like they just won the Super Bowl.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:


yes, cannot overlook 30 first downs…

 

…and when they did eventually stop them on the 3rd drive, they started dancing around like they just won the Super Bowl.

 

It’s insane to me how many people keep ignoring the issues here. It’s actually been the same for 2.5 years. Obviously the Bills are also ignoring it which is incredibly frustrating. Go get WRs….that will fix it

Link to comment
Share on other sites

46 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

However, Dorsey can't only be the one to blame. Plenty goes to head coach McD for his hands off approach especially with the offense.

 

 

 I wouldn't say McDermott is totally hands off with the offense, at least this past year. I can't say with 100% it was Allen, but I'm like 99% sure it was, in an interview he said McDermott would come into the QBs meeting every week and give a full run down on the opposing defense they were about to face. What they liked to run, what they're strengths & weaknesses were and how he thought they would defend them that week. I don't know if he's always done this or if he was doing it cause Dorsey was a new OC. Either way, for Dorsey and Allen(Especially Dorsey) that's like getting the answers to the test ahead of time. I'm wondering with the change of OCs last offseason if maybe Allen started getting too big of a say in the offense. Also maybe Dorsey doesn't put Allen in his place when he needs to, maybe too buddy buddy with him. Not saying that's what happened, but just a thought.

 

 Another thing is I think the offense, especially Allen, missed this year was Daboll's experience and feel for the game & his QB. I had some issues with Daboll's playcalling from time to time, but overall he had a much better feel for the game & where Allen was in said game than Dorsey seems to. 

 

 

  • Agree 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

KC and the Bengals had roughly 90 to 100 catches by rbs.  We had 60 between Singletary and Cook.  I've already harped on running the ball more.  I've never thought we had an OL problem or RB problem as far as running.  We just don't hand the ball off and therefore no rushing production.  The more I look the more I feel the same way about the short passing game.  I'm not saying abandon a vertical passing attack but (for the sake of not being predictable) mix it up. 

  • Like (+1) 1
  • Agree 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Check down, check down, check down, check down, check down

 

I recall three checkdown attempts when the Bengals game was still in hand. Two were tipped at the line (poor OL technique), one bounced off the hands of Singletary. There's the checkdown offense everyone has been screaming about. It isn't going to be fix our problems.

 

I would like to see a little more short passing offense schemed up, especially getting guys like Cook and Hines intentionally involved as pass catchers, but Bills fans have all too quickly forgotten what happened in 2020. We spent much of that season throwing a lot of short crossing routes and hook routes to our less-than-dynamic receivers who more often than not got hit right away. We moved the ball but our receivers took a beating all year long. By the time we got to the AFCCG seemingly every starting receiver was banged up. That's what an offense full of unathletic route technicians gets you when you're relying on short passes. 

 

The Bills offense is not going to turn into a machine throwing 5 yard button routes to Diggs who immediately gets smacked in the back 10 times a game. Our offense was intentionally a downfield passing offense because it meshes with the QB and the receivers that we have. I also think Allen's elbow injury made him less accurate on shorter routes so they intentionally called less of those later in the year. Next year we need a better #2 WR and our offense as a whole needs to handle blitzes better. If everyone is running a vertical route and one of our OL gets confused, a delayed blitz is an automatic win for the defense. I'm begging Dorsey to figure out how to organically get the RBs involved in the passing game, not as checkdowns but with multiple designed targets every game. Use the offseason to figure out how to run a screen for the first time in a decade. Those are some of the ways we can get this offense humming with more consistency, not by throwing a million 5 yard curl routes.

 

Edited by HappyDays
  • Like (+1) 1
  • Agree 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I recall three checkdown attempts when the Bengals game was still in hand. Two were tipped at the line (poor OL technique), one bounced off the hands of Singletary. There's the checkdown offense everyone has been screaming about. It isn't going to be fix our problems.

 

I would like to see a little more short passing offense schemed up, especially getting guys like Cook and Hines intentionally involved as pass catchers, but Bills fans have all too quickly forgotten what happened in 2020. We spent much of that season throwing a lot of short crossing routes and hook routes to our less-than-dynamic receivers who more often than not got hit right away. We moved the ball but our receivers took a beating all year long. By the time we got to the AFCCG seemingly every starting receiver was banged up. That's what an offense full of unathletic route technicians gets you when you're relying on short passes. 

 

The Bills offense is not going to turn into a machine throwing 5 yard button routes to Diggs who immediately gets smacked in the back 10 times a game. Our offense was intentionally a downfield passing offense because it meshes with the QB and the receivers that we have. I also think Allen's elbow injury made him less accurate on shorter routes so they intentionally called less of those later in the year. Next year we need a better #2 WR and our offense as a whole needs to handle blitzes better. If everyone is running a vertical route and one of our OL gets confused a delayed blitz is an automatic win for the defense. I'm begging Dorsey to figure out how to organically get the RBs involved in the passing game, not as checkdowns but with multiple designed targets every game. Use the offseason to figure out how to run a screen for the first time in a decade. Those are some of the ways we can get this offense humming with more consistency, not by throwing a million 5 yard curl routes.

And to your point I'm not advocating check downs as much as quick passes.  There are swing passes that give you a rb in space with room to make something happen that (if done right) can be very effective.  The video did a good job of showing how a quick release to the flat instead of a chip would have (theoretically) produced some better results not only for a pass to the RB  but in moving coverage to hit some WR's at an 8 to 15 yard level.  Some in game tweaks that might have worked.  I don't want whole sale changes as much as diversification.

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

KC and the Bengals had roughly 90 to 100 catches by rbs.  We had 60 between Singletary and Cook.  I've already harped on running the ball more.  I've never thought we had an OL problem or RB problem as far as running.  We just don't hand the ball off and therefore no rushing production.  The more I look the more I feel the same way about the short passing game.  I'm not saying abandon a vertical passing attack but (for the sake of not being predictable) mix it up. 

 

 I agree with running the ball more, it's been this way ever since Josh broke out in 2020. I agree we need more in the short game. But as far as RB's number of catches, if you include Singletary, Cook, Hines, Moss(While he was here) & Gilliam the number increases to 79 receptions from the backfield. Gilliam is technically a FB, but he's lined up in same backfield. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 hours ago, WideNine said:

The moral of the story is that when teams bring extra pressure, they bank on Allen holding the ball too long and not taking his quick hot reads and dump offs.

 

They drop and stack defenders at and behind the sticks because they know that is where his eyes tend to go when he holds the ball.

 

Getting the ball out more quickly and knowing where to go with it underneath when pressured is an area Josh needs to improve to take the next step in his game.

 

Bombs away with deep lobs are great, but successful teams and QBs know how to balance their game by taking what defenses are giving them too.

 

Folks get their undees in a bunch if any critique goes Allen's way, but does anyone think that Allen watches his tape of that game and comes away thinking, "Yeah, I made great decisions with the ball."?

 

I doubt it. If he is a real competitor, he will want to fix those things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Precisely. They are scheming up ways to use his tendencies to their advantage. Hero ball returns when he feels any kind of pressure. He has change his approach otherwise this movie will play on repeat next year. And Dorsey needs to give him a hot on every damn play. Sometimes I wonder if they send so many people down field because that gives him clearer lanes to run if he decides to. 

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Did the people here criticizing Warner for supposedly unfairly critiquing Josh watch the whole video? 

 

I did. Numerous examples of Josh missing the easy short stuff to go for (and often miss) a bigger play). Warner was super complimentary of Josh in this, btw, and said all QBs have off days and Josh is great but this wasn't his best game. 100% truth.

 

I'm tired of posters here saying no criticism of Josh is allowed. He's a great QB but he has moments of non-greatness and he has room for growth. Dorsey isn't great yet but a lot of these play designs had options that could've moved the chains and beat pressure. Josh didn't take a lot of them.


I watch KC and get frustrated with all the short stuff that they complete — "How can Kelce or those receivers be SO open?!?" I scream at my TV — but we have lots of those short options open but this year Josh has not been taking them. 

He's a top-3 QB right now; if he can improve — or return to his 2021 — short game, he can be number one or 2.

  • Like (+1) 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

That says it all there. Stafford was terrible and Crowder got injuried as usual. What a surprise. Let's hope Beasley and Brown can add something to the roster. Meanwhile, Hodges can make an immediate impact and continue catching TD passes from Daniel Jones. 

Hey newcam I agree Hodges is the type of big body receiver this offense needs 

Edited by 78thealltimegreat
  • Thank you (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

41 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

Did the people here criticizing Warner for supposedly unfairly critiquing Josh watch the whole video? 

 

I did. Numerous examples of Josh missing the easy short stuff to go for (and often miss) a bigger play). Warner was super complimentary of Josh in this, btw, and said all QBs have off days and Josh is great but this wasn't his best game. 100% truth.

 

I'm tired of posters here saying no criticism of Josh is allowed. He's a great QB but he has moments of non-greatness and he has room for growth. Dorsey isn't great yet but a lot of these play designs had options that could've moved the chains and beat pressure. Josh didn't take a lot of them.


I watch KC and get frustrated with all the short stuff that they complete — "How can Kelce or those receivers be SO open?!?" I scream at my TV — but we have lots of those short options open but this year Josh has not been taking them. 

He's a top-3 QB right now; if he can improve — or return to his 2021 — short game, he can be number one or 2.

 

Physically, Josh is the number one QB. I'd argue with anyone who tries to say otherwise. He has the arms, build and legs to put any team to the sword. Of course he needs help from the OC, WRs, RBs and OL but the biggest issue is himself. He was so good taking what was there in the play offs last year and at the start of the season in 2022, but it seemed to slip away after the bye. The long ball is a superb asset but it needs to be used sparingly, not as the first go to. And that's about mentality whilst on the field of play.

 

The only issue is, if he does try and adapt, does that affect his natural game? A lot of us were calling for him to run less but he didn't look the same, even with the passing game, after his run time was cut. And it's not even designed runs; he didn't even take chances when the possibility was there as the season went on.

  • Agree 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said:

Did the people here criticizing Warner for supposedly unfairly critiquing Josh watch the whole video? 

 

I did. Numerous examples of Josh missing the easy short stuff to go for (and often miss) a bigger play). Warner was super complimentary of Josh in this, btw, and said all QBs have off days and Josh is great but this wasn't his best game. 100% truth.

 

I'm tired of posters here saying no criticism of Josh is allowed. He's a great QB but he has moments of non-greatness and he has room for growth. Dorsey isn't great yet but a lot of these play designs had options that could've moved the chains and beat pressure. Josh didn't take a lot of them.


I watch KC and get frustrated with all the short stuff that they complete — "How can Kelce or those receivers be SO open?!?" I scream at my TV — but we have lots of those short options open but this year Josh has not been taking them. 

He's a top-3 QB right now; if he can improve — or return to his 2021 — short game, he can be number one or 2.

 

I agree with your takes especially the bolden sentence.  It seems nothing is ever Josh's bad, it must be the result of a bad offensive line, bad play calling, etc....

 

 

However, he's not a one man island and definitely can't do it alone.  But to insinuate there still aren't ways he can't improve is just foolish.

 

 

When Allen first came in the league I watched one of Kurt's reviews of his game plans and thought he was unnecessarily harsh on him and got turned off from watching his game reviews after that.  But this one imo was very fair.  He even complimented him at the beginning and several times during the video.  Seeing the field better for the short throws is something he can work on.

 

 

  • Like (+1) 2
  • Agree 1
  • Thank you (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

This topic is OLD. A NEW topic should be started unless there is a very specific reason to revive this one.

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...