Im convinced its coaching (Chiefs showing how to handle Bengals)

[Shaw66]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

To me this is what our defense is...  Play soft with everything in front of you.  Get to the ball quick and make the tackle.  Dont get beat deep.  Make the team drive the entire field in short bits without the big chunks.  Hope the team makes a mistake.  Odds say they will over that extended amount of time.  The gist of it anyways.  That works against teams in the regular season for the most part.  It doesnt work in the playoffs because you are now facing elite QBs.  Those QBs, like Mahomes and Burrow, dont make enough mistakes for that defense to work.  Which is why our D gives up a lot of points in the playoffs compared to the regular season.

I agree with what you say.   I don't think it's a reason to change the scheme.  I think it's a reason to adjust play calling and to tweak assignments in certain situations. 

 

And in the playoffs, they need to turn up the intensity.

 

 

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

11th overall total defense in the NFL this season so not sure what you're talking about.

 

Is 11th place elite to you?

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Is 11th place elite to you?

 

The 49ers were 31 at 300.6, KC was 11th at 328.2, so the difference was 28 total yards/game. I'd say they were in that category imo.

[Einstein]

Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

The 49ers were 31 at 300.6, KC was 11th at 328.2, so the difference was 28 total yards/game. I'd say they were in that category imo.

 

28 yards can be the difference between being in FG range for the game winning kick or not. 

 

11th place is not elite imo.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

28 yards can be the difference between being in FG range for the game winning kick or not. 

 

11th place is not elite imo.

 

I can agree with that. they were much better than I thought they were when I looked at the stats.

[HappyDays]

17 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

And sadly I think coaching and management will be the one thing that doesn't change this offseason.  Look for more of the same next year while our division opponents keep gaining ground

 

It's two straight years now that poor coaching cost us at the end. I'm not asking for anybody to get fired now but if it happens again they need to pull the plug. I'm sick thinking about how many years of Josh Allen we'll have wasted if Pegula isn't willing to demand better.

[Norcalbillsfan]

Both teams actually scheme. Change the way they play each team. The bills do not. 

[Big Blitz]

56 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Can you imagine the Bills holding either of those offenses to below 24 points in a playoff game? Yet both of those defenses were able to pull that off despite being lower ranked than us throughout the entire regular season. I'm more and more convinced we are being held back by coaching. What other conclusion can you make?

 

 

 

 

First question that should be asked of our coaches because it’s certainly not just the Bengals that feel this way - but why did they feel like and say we were easy to play against and we don’t do anything special?

 

I get they think we’re not as good as The Ravens.  
 

But to go further and say “we don’t do anything (I forgot the exact word Boyd used) complicated?”  
 

That said, the biggest concern I have for the D is after 34 year old off an ACL tear Von, we do not have an established dawg up front to do what Chris Jones did tonight.  
 

My bigger concern with the team is vastly inferior oline to the teams that played today.  

[Billz4ever]

45 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It's two straight years now that poor coaching cost us at the end. I'm not asking for anybody to get fired now but if it happens again they need to pull the plug. I'm sick thinking about how many years of Josh Allen we'll have wasted if Pegula isn't willing to demand better.

Oh, I'm not shy. I'm all about saying Frazier needs to go and if the odd, no situational football playcalling continues next season, Dorsey needs to go too.

 

McD should be on the hot seat next year too if we can't at least get past the divisional round. Reaching the AFCCG and then early playoff exits should not become the accepted norm for this team.

[Big Turk]

Its a playoff thing. Look at the games against KC. Regular season we play them tough and hold them to 20 points both games. Post season we play them afraid and loose and give up 38 and 42 points.

 

They simply need to play and call the game the same way they do during the regular season.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Big Turk

[par73]

It's line play. Burrow was sacked five times by KC-- the Bills were utterly hapless.

[Playoffs?]

21 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

First question that should be asked of our coaches because it’s certainly not just the Bengals that feel this way - but why did they feel like and say we were easy to play against and we don’t do anything special?

 

I get they think we’re not as good as The Ravens.  
 

But to go further and say “we don’t do anything (I forgot the exact word Boyd used) complicated?”  
 

That said, the biggest concern I have for the D is after 34 year old off an ACL tear Von, we do not have an established dawg up front to do what Chris Jones did tonight.  
 

My bigger concern with the team is vastly inferior oline to the teams that played today.  

All fair points. 
If the Bills are going to have a shot at the Lombardi, we’re going to need HUGE upgrades on the O and D lines. Like revamps.  We’re going to somehow need Von to come back and have a great season. We’re going to likely need Poyer replacement, and maybe Edmunds.  We’re going to need Tre to return to form. And we’re going to need a true #2 WR.  Then finally, we’ll need some creative coaching that will get the job done. 

 

The above is tough to do with no $ and a late round pick. If Beane is a true wizard… now’s his time to shine, baby!  I wanna Billieve next season!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, par73 said:

It's line play. Burrow was sacked five times by KC-- the Bills were utterly hapless.

Yea I keep hearing it was our coaching when we got straight up physically dominated in the trenches on both sides of the ball.  The bengals could’ve told us what plays they were running and we still couldn’t have stopped them 

 

Edited January 30, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

 

 When Buffalo rushes the QB, even when they bring extra people, it looks like the OL are magnets and the Bills DL is steel. They're instantly attracted to one another. Make someone miss, go around someone. Not enough size or strength to constantly go through a bigger blocker. Bruce Smith needs to come in and show these guys how to set up and put moves on an olinemen.

 

 

 

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Where does Cook start?

 

Edit: Actually looking again I might be wrong on Cook. He may be playing more of a depth role, even with the injuries.

[Dr.Sack]

Mahomes threw accurate passes on time. Allen is indecisive and snaps ball before motion guy is in ideal location. Watch the Kurt Warner breakdown. He’s saying to Josh “what’s my answer?” And typically Allen isn’t releasing ball on time and taking easier throws. 

[BobbyC81]

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

When I watch other defenses in the playoffs I see creative pass rush and coverage schemes. Our defense is not creative. We just cross our fingers the opposing offense makes a mistake instead of trying to create mistakes.

 

Same thing on the offensive side. Our offense last week was runs from shotgun or bombs. No rhythm, no creativity, no scheming up mismatches.

 

The more playoff games I watch the less confident I become this coaching staff can get us over the hump. I haven't been this down on the Bills in a long time.

I don’t see the Pegulas firing a coach that has taken them to the playoffs in 5 of 6 seasons.  They made a bad choice with Rex and a bunch with the Sabres.  I don’t believe they would get rid of the one they got right.

[Thriftygamer83]

I think we could make a move for the Bengals offensive coordinator.  There’s not a lot of protection from ownership or management for McDermott.  A lot of the offensive minded guys tend to have a harder and more physical philosophy than defensive minded Coaches.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 hours ago, 4th&long said:

The bills D scheme is tired and has been figured out a long time ago. 

This isn’t even close to an accurate statement.

 

We have been one the most consistent and best defenses since 2017. What we lack on defense is the elite player on the DL. You need to be able to get pressure with a front 4 vs top level QBs. You’re not likely to fool them.

 

We didn’t sign Von Miller as a luxury. We needed him. It’s also not a surprise how different the defense was without a physical point of attack DT like DaQuan Jones. We need to go and get a top level DT because Ed Oliver isn’t it. 

I’ve said this a few times but that DL we had in the playoffs was so much worse than previous playoff DLs that we said needed upgrades. It was basically the DL that failed us last year but without Hughes and Addison.

 

It is truly a Jimmy and Joe’s issue. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

10 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Dont want to get a ban for comparing our team to the teams playing in the GDT so I am putting it here.  Im totally convinced its coaching.  KC its killing that Oline.  Their players arent better than ours.  Jones is a beast but really nobodies outside of that.  The difference is how they actually play the receivers tight and not 10 yards off and back up at the snap.  Burrow cant throw quick because it aint there for free.

 

Same story on offense. Allen may not be Mahomes but he is elite.  Their offensive design and coaching is second to none.  I feel like Dorsey is just backyard football.  A lot of people say "Josh wont take the underneath stuff."  I believe he would if he was coached to and the plays were designed to.  

Not to mention the Chiefs have 4 rookies starting on there defense. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

14 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Not to mention the Chiefs have 4 rookies starting on there defense. 

We need our Chris Jones in the playoffs. It was supposed to Von. 
 

As for rookies I think that might have been the biggest mistake from the coaches. They should’ve put their most physically gifted CB out there and let him play physical. I remember all camp and all season the talk of Elam was he’s too handsy. He liked to get his hands on WRs. They wanted that to stop. Problem is that’s exactly what we needed.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Billsfan1972]

Hey it was a tough game, decided on the last play, but quite obvious what team was prepared to play the Bengals and which team last week was not.

 

Give Cincy credit they played well, but lost.

 

KC too did not play a perfect game, but their defence actually created pressure and the DB's and Safeties actually had their eyes on the ball when defending receivers.

 

And while KC couldn't run the ball the offense knew what to do and took short passes (still not sure why Allen couldn't run).  

 

Night & day as opposed to the Bills.

[UKBillFan]

To put it bluntly, the Bengals didn’t win last week. The Bills lost it. Just like the Ravens beat themselves in the Wildcard round.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

To put it bluntly, the Bengals didn’t win last week. The Bills lost it. Just like the Ravens beat themselves in the Wildcard round.

We got completely dominated.

[PatsFanNH]

11 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Dont want to get a ban for comparing our team to the teams playing in the GDT so I am putting it here.  Im totally convinced its coaching.  KC its killing that Oline.  Their players arent better than ours.  Jones is a beast but really nobodies outside of that.  The difference is how they actually play the receivers tight and not 10 yards off and back up at the snap.  Burrow cant throw quick because it aint there for free.

 

Same story on offense. Allen may not be Mahomes but he is elite.  Their offensive design and coaching is second to none.  I feel like Dorsey is just backyard football.  A lot of people say "Josh wont take the underneath stuff."  I believe he would if he was coached to and the plays were designed to.  

You do know they won because of a personal foul with like 25 seconds left in the 4th.  IMO they never should have thrown the flag as they decided the game with it.  So your headline is wrong, the Chiefs escaped, at home, against the Bengals. They didn’t show anything on how to handle them! 

[Thurman#1]

Probably already been said, but ...

 

If it's coaching, how come Reid couldn't break though in Philly? Same coach.

 

Coaches have a part, sure, but it's everything together, but more rosters, injuries and matchups, IMO.

[Thurman#1]

44 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We need our Chris Jones in the playoffs. It was supposed to Von. 
 

As for rookies I think that might have been the biggest mistake from the coaches. They should’ve put their most physically gifted CB out there and let him play physical. I remember all camp and all season the talk of Elam was he’s too handsy. He liked to get his hands on WRs. They wanted that to stop. Problem is that’s exactly what we needed.

 

 

Elam played 65% of snaps. He played well. His missing 35% wasn't the difference.

 

As he's figured it out recently, he's been out there more and more.

 

And while I think an awful lot of it was simply the team having an awful day, I totally agree with you about Von. Him not being out there was a huge blow.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

Probably already been said, but ...

 

If it's coaching, how come Reid couldn't break though in Philly? Same coach.

 

Coaches have a part, sure, but it's everything together, but more rosters, injuries and matchups, IMO.

Number 1 it’s hard to win a Super Bowl. I will only question coaching if we start losing wild card games consistently. 
 

 

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Its a playoff thing. Look at the games against KC. Regular season we play them tough and hold them to 20 points both games. Post season we play them afraid and loose and give up 38 and 42 points.

 

They simply need to play and call the game the same way they do during the regular season.

 

 

The 38 and 42 point games came when we didn't have Von Miller. The 20 came when we did. Unfortunately, his injury turned us back into the team without Von Miller.

[Not at the table Karlos]

14 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

Probably already been said, but ...

 

If it's coaching, how come Reid couldn't break though in Philly? Same coach.

 

Coaches have a part, sure, but it's everything together, but more rosters, injuries and matchups, IMO.

People can evolve, learn things and get better as they get older and gain more knowledge. Do you think Andy Reid is exactly the same as he was in Philly?  Yes he may have better players in KC but he's definitely improved as a coach since Philly. 

Edited January 30, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Elam played 65% of snaps. He played well. His missing 35% wasn't the difference.

 

As he's figured it out recently, he's been out there more and more.

 

And while I think an awful lot of it was simply the team having an awful day, I totally agree with you about Von. Him not being out there was a huge blow.

It’s not just about playing him it’s a mentality. We’ve heard all year that he needs to be less handsy. 

 

Plus we need the combination of front 4 pass rush and tight coverage. 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

People can evolve, learn things and get better as they get older and gain more knowledge. Do you think Andy Reid is exactly the same as he was in Philly? 

I can accept this argument with Dorsey. Are there any signs of McDermott or Frasier adapting?

[BillMafia716ix]

Even when Von comes back, we still need more production for our inside guys. We haven’t had a dominant inside guy since Kyle Williams. A guy on the inside that can push the pocket and create double teams. Guys like Burrow and Mahomes have the ability to climb in the pocket to create more time. We need more size inside 

[Billsfan1972]

7 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

If tonights game wasnt a damning indictment on our coaches and the plate of kaka they served up last week, I dont what else is. It wasnt just the great defensive game plan that KC cooked up but it was also the adjustments that Cinci made on offense to get back in the game. Then it was back to KC to make further adjustments on D to shut down the Bengals again. A total chess match between two great coaching staffs. Meanwhile we get the "connect 4 quality" coaching staff effort from our coaches last Sunday with little planning or strategy and no deviation or adjustments from the plan. 

No our coaches are playing tic-tac-toe......

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

I can accept this argument with Dorsey. Are there any signs of McDermott or Frasier adapting?

If I told you after last year’s playoff loss to KC that Shaq Lawson, Greg Rousseau, AJ Epenesa, and Boogie Basham would lead our pass rush in the playoffs what would you say?

 

Leslie Frazier should be able to get pressure with that group?

 

Can’t be serious.

[Billsfan1972]

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Can you imagine the Bills holding either of those offenses to below 24 points in a playoff game? Yet both of those defenses were able to pull that off despite being lower ranked than us throughout the entire regular season. I'm more and more convinced we are being held back by coaching. What other conclusion can you make?

 

Wow some people are finally waking up to that realization....

[Not at the table Karlos]

6 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

I can accept this argument with Dorsey. Are there any signs of McDermott or Frasier adapting?

I was talking about Reid. No our coaches are stubborn AF and refuse to learn and grow. 

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If I told you after last year’s playoff loss to KC that Shaq Lawson, Greg Rousseau, AJ Epenesa, and Boogie Basham would lead our pass rush in the playoffs what would you say?

 

Leslie Frazier should be able to get pressure with that group?

 

Can’t be serious.

Then you adapt with what you’ve got. Would the Bills still lose? Probably. In the shambolic way they did last week? No.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Not at the table Karlos said:

I was talking about Reid. No our coaches are stubborn AF and refuse to learn and grow. 

Grow how? People are making these comments like it’s a widespread problem. 
 

How do you beat KC and Cincinnati? Pass rush and score points! We’ve been saying it for years. 
 

There is one person we must look at. Brandon Beane. Now the question is does he get a pass because Von got hurt? I’m willing to say yes but criticism is still there because his DL draft picks aren’t able to win 1v1 battles.

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

Then you adapt with what you’ve got. Would the Bills still lose? Probably. In the shambolic way they did last week? No.

You blitz. Burrow and Mahomes are 2 of the best QBs vs the blitz. There is no adapting. You hope you can win 38-35 or something. Which we should’ve last year. 

[ArtVandalay]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Grow how? People are making these comments like it’s a widespread problem. 
 

How do you beat KC and Cincinnati? Pass rush and score points! We’ve been saying it for years. 
 

There is one person we must look at. Brandon Beane. Now the question is does he get a pass because Von got hurt? I’m willing to say yes but criticism is still there because his DL draft picks aren’t able to win 1v1 battles.

Scheme and gameplanning is a major part of winning vs those teams and McDermott doesn't bring any of that, he's absolutely useless offensively and has a rookie OC with a very green offensive staff.