Big Blitz Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Wow, Dak got him fired!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Surprised cos Jerry loves him... but I think right call. He seems to struggle with his playcalling balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobilz Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Bless them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 I thought Moore did a great job overall. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Surprised cos Jerry loves him... but I think right call. He seems to struggle with his playcalling balance. Reminds me of another OC we all know. 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Not surprising in Dallas. Teams can be loyal to a fault regarding their coordinators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Not surprising in Dallas. Teams can be loyal to a fault regarding their coordinators. Yea, Dallas has a slightly different problem. They're too loyal to their "GM" 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Kinda surprising. Problem in Dallas isn’t offensive coaching, it’s Dak. He’s just not a top tier QB. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 The problem in Dallas is the owner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Wow that’s huge. fire Dorsey quick hire Moore. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Mark Vader said: The problem in Dallas is the owner. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 He would be a huge upgrade to dorsey 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 minute ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: He would be a huge upgrade to dorsey Why do you think that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) How bout them Cowboys!!! They wanted Moore and they came up short Edited January 30, 2023 by HOUSE 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 The guy who won games with Cooper Rush is the issue here? I’d take him over Dorsey 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 He was not the problem. Dak was the issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Moore isn't the problem. The team was winning even with Cooper Rush at QB. They were 5-1 against teams like the Giants, Bengals, Commanders, and Vikings. Moore was calling those games to put him in a position to succeed. The only game they lost was against the Eagles. Dak is a problem and his turnovers. Jerry is a problem and his building of the roster on offense. Moore is a scapegoat, but I also believe this is going to have a two-fold effect. I have a feeling Payton is not going to take a job this cycle. If McCarthy fails while calling the plays then he will be out next year. Some people tend to think the job will be Quinn's and that's why he hasn't left yet, but I believe in the back of Jerry's mind he could still be angling to get Sean Payton in there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 McCarthy wants to be the play caller as he honestly believes he can fix Daks issues. Moore is a great young mind. Moore working with Josh would be something but McDermott would never hire him as he would be a threat to his job. Sean only wants assistants who are no threat to his employment 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Malazan said: Yea, Dallas has a slightly different problem. They're too loyal to their "GM" Remember how the Roman Empire took care of GM Julius Caesar on the ides of March. 🤔😁 * Maybe the Patriots can spare Matt Patricia to replace Moore? 🤔 Edited January 30, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) I would swap Dorsey for Moore in a heartbeat if given the opportunity. Edited January 30, 2023 by Bruffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Cowboys were 4th in scoring offense this season (and 5th in scoring defense). Usually when a team is statistically that solid yet underperforms (and did they underperform? Not really. The Eagles and Niners were clearly better), it’s the head coach that gets fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why do you think that? Has more experience. Basically has a top 10 offense every year with a less talented QB. 9 out of 10 teams would be hiring Moore over Dorsey for an open job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Just now, ngbills said: Has more experience. Basically has a top 10 offense every year with a less talented QB. 9 out of 10 teams would be hiring Moore over Dorsey for an open job. Dorsey has a top 2 offense every year. 57 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Cowboys were 4th in scoring offense this season (and 5th in scoring defense). Usually when a team is statistically that solid yet underperforms (and did they underperform? Not really. The Eagles and Niners were clearly better), it’s the head coach that gets fired. How many head coaches do you know have been fired with a top 5 defense and top 5 offense in the same season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Here's yet more evidence of how franchises that expect to win handle "successful" or "winning" seasons... Dallas didn't exactly have a bad year, and here they are, firing a coordinator. The Bills should take note. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Here's yet more evidence of how franchises that expect to win handle "successful" or "winning" seasons... Dallas didn't exactly have a bad year, and here they are, firing a coordinator. The Bills should take note. True. The Cowboys got better as the season progressed, and they were pretty clearly the 3rd best team in the NFC. It’s just that this is Philly’s year (and not SF’s now for obvious reasons). Hmm, clearly the third best in their conference. I wonder what other team fits that description? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Dorsey has a top 2 offense every year. How many head coaches do you know have been fired with a top 5 defense and top 5 offense in the same season? 1 year vs 4 years. Dorsey inherited a top 5 offense that got worse as the season went on. Moore inherited an inconsistent offense that became a top 5 offense. Allen or Dorsey? Clearly a downward trend: 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ngbills said: 1 year vs 4 years. Dorsey inherited a top 5 offense that got worse as the season went on. Moore inherited an inconsistent offense that became a top 5 offense. Offense actually improved in areas as the season went on. Redzone started bad but improved. Allen also was injured. But no excuses needed. You want to fire a 1st year OC after having the #2 scoring and yards offense in the NFL. Makes zero sense at all. Edited January 30, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Offense actually improved in areas as the season went on. Redzone started bad but improved. Allen also was injured. But no excuses needed. You want to fire a 1st year OC after having the #2 scoring and yards offense in the NFL. Makes zero sense at all. #2 despite Dorsey in my opinion. You had Josh Allen and a defense that played well much of the season. That is a recipe for good offensive stats. But when you watch the games you could see the inconsistency, lack of creativity and just a lot of questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaru523 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Kellen Moore didn't last long on the market, going to LA Chargers as OC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, ngbills said: #2 despite Dorsey in my opinion. You had Josh Allen and a defense that played well much of the season. That is a recipe for good offensive stats. But when you watch the games you could see the inconsistency, lack of creativity and just a lot of questions. They never played a consistent game, definitely agree. I think there were many factors for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Amaru523 said: Kellen Moore didn't last long on the market, going to LA Chargers as OC. Now Staley just needs to take extended bathroom breaks every time a Chargers possession begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Cowboys were 4th in scoring offense this season (and 5th in scoring defense). Usually when a team is statistically that solid yet underperforms (and did they underperform? Not really. The Eagles and Niners were clearly better), it’s the head coach that gets fired. I disagree the Cowboys almost beat the Eagles in Philly with Cooper Rush…this is on Mike McCarthy who is looking to keep his job and is making Kellen Moore the scapegoat for losing in Frisco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlbills13 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Moore was just named the Chargers OC. Good move for them. AFC teams are making moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, Amaru523 said: Kellen Moore didn't last long on the market, going to LA Chargers as OC. https://www.nfl.com/news/chargers-expected-to-hire-ex-cowboys-oc-kellen-moore-as-new-offensive-coordinato I kind of feel sorry for Justin Herbert TBH. I don't think Moore is the man to craft a great offense from what the Chargers have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 4 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: McCarthy wants to be the play caller as he honestly believes he can fix Daks issues. Moore is a great young mind. Moore working with Josh would be something but McDermott would never hire him as he would be a threat to his job. Sean only wants assistants who are no threat to his employment You know I didn't think of it that way. Another underperforming season from McShottenheimer, he could easily be fired and Moore would slide in and give us the Offensive Minded coach that Allen needs. What is the point of giving Dorsey on the job training only to have him leave here for another coaching job ? Then we would have to start all over at OC. Moore would stay as HC and give Josh the stability that he needs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: You know I didn't think of it that way. Another underperforming season from McShottenheimer, he could easily be fired and Moore would slide in and give us the Offensive Minded coach that Allen needs. What is the point of giving Dorsey on the job training only to have him leave here for another coaching job ? Then we would have to start all over at OC. Moore would stay as HC and give Josh the stability that he needs. McDermott isn’t going to hire a coach who is a threat to his job…if he hires a young up and coming OC and the defense goes belly up at the end of the season like it does every year under McDermott going back to the 16-0 collapse in Houston…someone will be the fall guy and it would most likely be him. Sean is very protective of his spot Leslie and Ken are absolutely no threat to his employment and he likes it that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 8 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: He would be a huge upgrade to dorsey 3 hours ago, Bruffalo said: I would swap Dorsey for Moore in a heartbeat if given the opportunity. Why? 2 hours ago, ngbills said: Has more experience. Basically has a top 10 offense every year with a less talented QB. 9 out of 10 teams would be hiring Moore over Dorsey for an open job. OC for 4 years Offensive rank those 4 years 6, 17, 1 and 4 Rush yards 5, 17, 9, and 9 Very different offensive structure, based on running the ball and getting lots of YAC. I dunno about those 9 out of 10 teams, but we'll never know because we'll never have a situation where Dorsey vs. Moore is the choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Moore is going to the Chargers. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/30/chargers-announce-kellen-moore-as-their-new-offensive-coordinator/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Nitro said: He was not the problem. Dak was the issue. I agree, but one of those guys has $160 million contract and the other does not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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