Bills Coaching Staff Changes Thread

[HoofHearted]

2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Well maybe the blown coverages stem from the players having to overthink their assignments. Bills basically line up defensively the same way all the time with actual coverage assumed post snap with players responsibilities determined by reading keys. The number of keys they are asked to process increases in important games against good offenses in order to scheme up the perfect defence to counter the O's playcalls. That is why you see more blown coverages in the playoffs than in the regular season. Frazier does not trust his players to just let them play. The blown coverages are sourced to mental rather than physical errors and so it's necessary to know what exactly is causing that, but the answer seems to be coaching. Other teams may employ the same general defensive strategy but this means not very much given the differences in the ways the scheme may be implemented or modified. If the Eagles meet the Bengals in the championship do you really think Gannon will give Chase a 12 yard cushion on third and three?

Good job regurgitating Cover 1 and not understanding a word of what was said lol. Coverage isn't "assumed post-snap". Based on the formation and receiver splits they know what coverage they're running pre-snap. The Bills play a bunch of pattern match coverages - meaning based on what their key does post-snap determines what they will do and who they will cover. The number of keys they have on a given play doesn't change though lol. This is not uncommon and certainly not specific to Buffalo or Frazier/McDermott. EVERY team in the NFL does this. Are there more formational checks put in during the post-season? That's entirely possible since you have an entire seasons worth of film on a team to narrow down specific tendencies and put yourself in the most advantageous position possible against specific looks.

 

These guys have been running pattern match coverages since they were in High School though. Having to make checks on the field shouldn't be anything new to them, and the volume of checks shouldn't be either. For example, TCU's base 4-2-5 system has like 12 different coverage checks they can make out of their Quarters coverage based on whether you're aligned to the Read side or Away side of the defense, what the offensive formation is, and what the splits of those receivers are.

[stevestojan]

I don’t think this sacrificial lamb is getting the reaction the team was hoping for from the fans. 😂 Yep, there’s a reason fans don’t coach the team, but this poor bastard - who was coaching one of the most injured units in all of football - just took one for the team. And it won’t make a bit of a difference with Old Man Frazier at the helm. 

[SectionC3]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

 

The tweet is meaningless.  I’d be dumbfounded if the contract expired before the Super Bowl is scheduled to be played.  The better question is whether the contract expires, say, February 28, 2023.  In other words, the big issue is whether Frazier is under contract for next season. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

 

The tweet is meaningless.  I’d be dumbfounded if the contract expired before the Super Bowl is scheduled to be played.  The better question is whether the contract expires, say, February 28, 2023.  In other words, the big issue is whether Frazier is under contract for next season. 

Yep, wording is key here.

[Back2Buff]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

The tweet is meaningless.  I’d be dumbfounded if the contract expired before the Super Bowl is scheduled to be played.  The better question is whether the contract expires, say, February 28, 2023.  In other words, the big issue is whether Frazier is under contract for next season. 

 

This.  Coaches contracts expire usually in Feb.

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yep, wording is key here.

I would think that coaching contracts go until the end of the league year. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

I would think that coaching contracts go until the end of the league year. 

I did read some tweets today from another team saying they didn’t renew contracts of some position coaches so who knows.

[Aussie Joe]

Glad that these coaching changes are being kept to 1 thread so we can keep track …

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

The tweet is meaningless.  I’d be dumbfounded if the contract expired before the Super Bowl is scheduled to be played.  The better question is whether the contract expires, say, February 28, 2023.  In other words, the big issue is whether Frazier is under contract for next season. 

Click bait from John…

[jkeerie]

7 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Good job regurgitating Cover 1 and not understanding a word of what was said lol. Coverage isn't "assumed post-snap". Based on the formation and receiver splits they know what coverage they're running pre-snap. The Bills play a bunch of pattern match coverages - meaning based on what their key does post-snap determines what they will do and who they will cover. The number of keys they have on a given play doesn't change though lol. This is not uncommon and certainly not specific to Buffalo or Frazier/McDermott. EVERY team in the NFL does this. Are there more formational checks put in during the post-season? That's entirely possible since you have an entire seasons worth of film on a team to narrow down specific tendencies and put yourself in the most advantageous position possible against specific looks.

 

These guys have been running pattern match coverages since they were in High School though. Having to make checks on the field shouldn't be anything new to them, and the volume of checks shouldn't be either. For example, TCU's base 4-2-5 system has like 12 different coverage checks they can make out of their Quarters coverage based on whether you're aligned to the Read side or Away side of the defense, what the offensive formation is, and what the splits of those receivers are.

Thank you for this explanation.  You are obviously very knowledgable about the X's and O's.  So based on this, what do you see as the root cause of our defensive struggles last Sunday?  I'm really interested in getting an educated, objective opinion.

[SydneyBillsFan]

5 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Firing the Safeties coach!  That should resolve all the management and coaching deficiencies in the defense, the offensive line, and a poor draft record.  Can the locker room attendants and laundry crew be far behind? 

 

I blame the Mexican immigrant with no green card who polishes the floors - never liked that guy.

[HoofHearted]

Just now, jkeerie said:

Thank you for this explanation.  You are obviously very knowledgable about the X's and O's.  So based on this, what do you see as the root cause of our defensive struggles last Sunday?  I'm really interested in getting an educated, objective opinion.

We got out-physicalled in the trenches on both sides of the ball. That was the root of all the problems. It put us behind the sticks offensively, and put the Bengals ahead of them offensively. Secondary had some mental lapses. Edmunds played pretty terribly early on in the game. Offensively we couldn't get into any sort of rhythm. We just didn't execute. I know everyone wants some profound answer that they can point to and say "this is the issue!". Truth of the matter is we just got flat out beat.

[Gunsgoodtime]

5 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Von Miller loves the guy and raved about him in the end of season presser.

I guess Von did provide a Lombardi trophy for this team.  The replica he brought to motivate the team.  That worked out well.

[SoCal Deek]

20 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Good job regurgitating Cover 1 and not understanding a word of what was said lol. Coverage isn't "assumed post-snap". Based on the formation and receiver splits they know what coverage they're running pre-snap. The Bills play a bunch of pattern match coverages - meaning based on what their key does post-snap determines what they will do and who they will cover. The number of keys they have on a given play doesn't change though lol. This is not uncommon and certainly not specific to Buffalo or Frazier/McDermott. EVERY team in the NFL does this. Are there more formational checks put in during the post-season? That's entirely possible since you have an entire seasons worth of film on a team to narrow down specific tendencies and put yourself in the most advantageous position possible against specific looks.

 

These guys have been running pattern match coverages since they were in High School though. Having to make checks on the field shouldn't be anything new to them, and the volume of checks shouldn't be either. For example, TCU's base 4-2-5 system has like 12 different coverage checks they can make out of their Quarters coverage based on whether you're aligned to the Read side or Away side of the defense, what the offensive formation is, and what the splits of those receivers are.

Incredibly informative post…honestly. I’m guessing you’ve either played or coached?
 

So….with all of that said, why is Kelce always wide open? 😉

[Malazan]

6 hours ago, MWK said:

Giving the DC job to a guy who can't even coach his position group seems like a terrible idea. But he's a McDermott friend from Carolina so it would be on brand. 

 

I'm not in favor of him being moved to DC at all, but the reasoning here is not the best imo. Simply because he can't teach technique or teaches ineffective techniques for the lineman doesn't necessarily mean he lacks the skills to manage a defense overall. 

 

I think the more sensible reasoning is that he likely has many of the same philosophies as Frazier and McDermott and they're not panning out. 

 

Personally, I think this defensive staff needs more.. friction.. amongst itself in mindset. It's been too insular and isn't adapting well to the current NFL landscape. 

Edited January 26, 2023 by Malazan

[jkeerie]

8 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

We got out-physicalled in the trenches on both sides of the ball. That was the root of all the problems. It put us behind the sticks offensively, and put the Bengals ahead of them offensively. Secondary had some mental lapses. Edmunds played pretty terribly early on in the game. Offensively we couldn't get into any sort of rhythm. We just didn't execute. I know everyone wants some profound answer that they can point to and say "this is the issue!". Truth of the matter is we just got flat out beat.

I can agree with this and that is what both McD and Beane said in their pressers.  Do you think coaching changes are warranted?

[bobobonators]

38 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The problem isn't so much the scheme it's that it performs completely different against the SAME TEAMS in the playoffs than it does in the regular season.

 

Case in point. Played KC twice in the regular season and held them to 20 points both times.

 

Played them twice in the playoffs and they scored 38 and 42.

 

Why? What happened differently? Scheme doesn't make sense to me because if it was scheme, it would happen everytime you played that team.

 

To me it comes down to trying to play too safe during the playoffs because they are afraid to play aggressively like the do during the regular season. Safe coverages...everybody deep...no deep shots but underneath stuff is wide open. Basically he coaches to win during the season but coaches not to lose during the playoffs. Can't have that. We can't have someone who is so afraid of giving up easy TDs deep that they are willing to repeatedly give up easy TDs from longer drives where they are giving free yards up.

I think you and I are saying similar things in different ways. 

[SectionC3]

3 hours ago, JMM said:

The more I think about this,  it very likely means Frazier is back. Typically when a DC is let go, the staff is maintained until the new DC is hired and he chooses who he wants retained. So looking forward to another year of passive D led by Mr. Semi comatose. 

 

I don’t think it means anything other than, no matter what happens at DC, McD didn’t want Salgado around next year.  Nothing more, nothing less.  

 

If they are going to nuke Frazier, they probably won’t do so until after any HC position at which he might have a look is filled.  Probably the same with Dorsey.  If he’s on his way out, then it won’t happen likely until tomorrow since Carolina hired Reich only today.  

[BigAl2526]

I think we know little to nothing about what went into the Delgado firing.  From my perspective, it looked like the deficiencies at the safety position had to do more with Hyde's injury and the inadequacy of the backups Buffalo tried to use to replace them.  I don't know if McDermott got feedback from the safeties on the roster that said Delgado wasn't doing his job well or McDermott's own observations as a former DB coach told him the coaching wasn't up to par.  What I'm pretty sure of is that firing Delgado is not a matter of picking a scapegoat to take a fall for the failure of the defense.  Why?  Because McDermott and Beane are not stupid.  Firing Delgado is too insignificant to move the needle at all on fan sentiment.  Haters are still going to hate and supporters will still support.

[starrymessenger]

39 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Good job regurgitating Cover 1 and not understanding a word of what was said lol. Coverage isn't "assumed post-snap". Based on the formation and receiver splits they know what coverage they're running pre-snap. The Bills play a bunch of pattern match coverages - meaning based on what their key does post-snap determines what they will do and who they will cover. The number of keys they have on a given play doesn't change though lol. This is not uncommon and certainly not specific to Buffalo or Frazier/McDermott. EVERY team in the NFL does this. Are there more formational checks put in during the post-season? That's entirely possible since you have an entire seasons worth of film on a team to narrow down specific tendencies and put yourself in the most advantageous position possible against specific looks.

 

These guys have been running pattern match coverages since they were in High School though. Having to make checks on the field shouldn't be anything new to them, and the volume of checks shouldn't be either. For example, TCU's base 4-2-5 system has like 12 different coverage checks they can make out of their Quarters coverage based on whether you're aligned to the Read side or Away side of the defense, what the offensive formation is, and what the splits of those receivers are.

Thanks for this. Yes I (thought I) summarized the Cover 1 position. Unlike me you obviously are schooled in the game (I played and was coached in other sports growing up) and so I wanted to challenge your comments more for the purpose of getting your reaction and learning something than for questioning your conclusions.

I may be wrong but I don't think I (completely) misunderstood the Cover 1 argument. I believe they did say that the number of post snap keys to read increased in the playoffs and that this caused players to be confused as to their assignments on the given down resulting in blown coverages. They said that this showed that Frazier did not trust his players to just play. They were critical of him.

You have also pointed out, no doubt correctly, that other teams run the same basic defence as McD and Frazier. I was inquiring of you whether this was or was not a meaningful comment. In other words do differences in implementation, modification or execution account for differences in result. Or were we just down too many important players on D either absent or limited through injury to play as well as they had earlier albeit against less talented opposition.

The reason why these questions are important is because Frazier's contract is up and a decision on him has now got to be made. So where do you stand on our DC?
 

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, HoofHearted said:

We got out-physicalled in the trenches on both sides of the ball. That was the root of all the problems. It put us behind the sticks offensively, and put the Bengals ahead of them offensively. Secondary had some mental lapses. Edmunds played pretty terribly early on in the game. Offensively we couldn't get into any sort of rhythm. We just didn't execute. I know everyone wants some profound answer that they can point to and say "this is the issue!". Truth of the matter is we just got flat out beat.

Given especially that it has been something of a trend since the bye, it's really not enuf to say that we were out-physicalled or that we failed to execute. There are reasons for everything, and probably more than one reason why the Bills season progressed the way it did. Until you know what the reasons are it's hard to know what direction you should take. 

[Victory Formation]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

What is Frazier bribing McD with? Does he have nudes of him or something? Seriously. The guys terrible.

[blacklabel]

8 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

Every safety they put in this year didn't seem ready to go.  Whether it was Johnson, Hamlin, or Cam Lewis, none of them preformed even good enough.

 

His work with Siren Neal as a CB seems to be terrible too.

 

This is fair. It seemed like Jaquan Johnson actually regressed. He flashed some in the limited snaps he had and seemed like he had a knack for turnovers. He got a chance to replace Hyde and he lasted like two series before they sent in Hamlin. 

 

Safety is probably on Beane's shortlist. Seems unlikely Poyer will return, Hamlin is out indefinitely, Jaquan is a free agent... Yeah, gonna need reinforcements there. 

[Chaos]

I was mocked three months ago when I started a thread about how the teams problems were rooted in its safties coaching.  .......... I jest. 

[John from Riverside]

24 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

What is Frazier bribing McD with? Does he have nudes of him or something? Seriously. The guys terrible.

But see, that’s the problem he’s not terrible and the numbers reflect that
 

What’s not reflected in those numbers is how bad they’ve been once they got to the playoffs

 

Not looking at this from what we should do looking at this from what management is probably thinking

[HoofHearted]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Incredibly informative post…honestly. I’m guessing you’ve either played or coached?
 

So….with all of that said, why is Kelce always wide open? 😉

Because he's one of the best Tight Ends in football. Couple that with speed on the outside and a mobile quarterback it makes it tough. You have to pick your poison as a defense.

[DrPJax]

6 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

That's embarrassing if true. Teams change their signals and calls within games - why would they think it would remain the same from week to week?

It is true.  Broken down expertly by Eric on cover1’s YouTube video about “ you are what your last game says you are” , or close to that. It’s a fantastic breakdown of the literal defensive breakdown of the Cincy game.  It’s the strongest , most well documented expert analysis of how badly this team was out schemed in that game on both sides of the ball , but it really makes the best case for Frazier’s dismissal I have seen. And it’s fact based, not just vitriol seeking to lay blame.     Very worth your time to watch to fully understand how that debacle happened , yet the clues were already present in prior games.  Really shows how bad the defensive coaching failure was across the board.   
       I guess they let go of the safeties coach because they have no safeties left ti coach , and in mcds new vision they will just have epenesa lose weight again to be converted to strong saftey as mc Beane now realize with the cap they can’t keep rotating 10 dl’s as they attempt to get under the cap.

      Also as the corners are now playing at least 8 yards beyond the first down marker , they are really safeties in theory and Edmunds & Milano will now cover the boundaries as well in this latest version of cloud coverage which will give up any / all running plays to be sure they are never beaten with the deep ball.  Rbs fro opposing teams will eventually come in contact with the deeply dropped soft zone coverage , and it’s hoped by that time the Rb’s will be winded so that the tackling of those dbs now may actually improve.  This will help the stat about yards gained after contact ; since the rbs will already have gained all the yardage required for moving the chains , will be winded from sprinting untouched , our dbs should get them down immediately on contact so they will lead the league in least yards allowed after contact !
 

          It is just one sample of the forward thinking this staff is capable of given the reality we have zero cap space and an extreme excess of DL to draw from !   So , yes , firing the safeties coach makes so much sense! 😉👍

[HoofHearted]

2 hours ago, jkeerie said:

I can agree with this and that is what both McD and Beane said in their pressers.  Do you think coaching changes are warranted?

If you're asking if I think changes are needed based on one game the answer is unequivocally no. Wholistically, that really just depends on what the staff expects to get out of their players and whether or not they think those players met those expectations. I know that's kind of a non-answer but that's how these things kind of operate.

 

I do think you have a good example with Salgado though. Our Safeties have been a staple in our defense for so long it makes whoever is coaching them look really good. When those guys weren't there this year that's when you could really tell how well coached that unit was. Obviously there was going to be drop off from an athletic standpoint since the majority of those guys who were in to replace were late round guys, but what really showed was the lack of scheme knowledge in those players. There was a noticeable shift in what we were able to do and call when the back-ups had to come in the game. At that position specifically, with the way this defense is designed, that made us very vanilla.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

He can’t be fired, he’s not under contract.  

 

[SoCal Deek]

Am I the only one who sees the parallels between this past few years and the Super Bowl era? Back then the Bills were the class of the AFC and would consistently make it to the big game only to get their butt kicked by more physical NFC teams. Still, we kept going back and kept getting our butt kicked…changing virtually nothing year after year. Flash forward, and I’m incredibly fearful that the organization is about to do the exact same thing but in this era we can’t even get out of the AFC. 

[Mango]

Bruce Arians said he’d still be coaching if Brady didn’t come out of retirement.

 

If I’m Terry I call him with my checkbook open and ask what it would take to be OC. 

[Victory Formation]

18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

But see, that’s the problem he’s not terrible and the numbers reflect that
 

What’s not reflected in those numbers is how bad they’ve been once they got to the playoffs

 

Not looking at this from what we should do looking at this from what management is probably thinking

Dude, when Bill Parcells and Rex Ryan tell you that your defense sucks, your defense sucks. 
 

Our defense is great against the bottom feeders of the NFL but not against good playoff teams like you mentioned.

 

Coach McD mentioned that he was embarrassed the other day in a press conference, yet just about no changes have been made. Zero accountability.

[jkeerie]

6 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

If you're asking if I think changes are needed based on one game the answer is unequivocally no. Wholistically, that really just depends on what the staff expects to get out of their players and whether or not they think those players met those expectations. I know that's kind of a non-answer but that's how these things kind of operate.

 

I do think you have a good example with Salgado though. Our Safeties have been a staple in our defense for so long it makes whoever is coaching them look really good. When those guys weren't there this year that's when you could really tell how well coached that unit was. Obviously there was going to be drop off from an athletic standpoint since the majority of those guys who were in to replace were late round guys, but what really showed was the lack of scheme knowledge in those players. There was a noticeable shift in what we were able to do and call when the back-ups had to come in the game. At that position specifically, with the way this defense is designed, that made us very vanilla.

Thank you so much for this!  I consider myself knowledgeable but not about X's and O's.  So I often don't know whether to attribute an issue to players or the scheme. There are so many opinions on this board...but those as knowledgeable as yours are rare.  I appreciate the instruction.

[Reed83HOF]

5 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Did this continue the rest of the game?

 

If so McDermott calling plays potentially yielded 13 pts vs Frazier 14 in two drives 

Intermittently, I actually for some reason wanted to watch the game lol. Shakir's, family Quentin Morse 's, Edmunds family and I want to say Oliver's fam was right to me left or in front of me. Had to be careful who I called schitty during the game. Lol

 

This is why I'm not as on edge about McD yet, he cared and was doing what I would expect a coach to do. The question to answer about him is to understand when he hits his ceiling and is he one of the guys who can get you there or never will. To me next season will be more telling. 

 

That second scoring drive as they approached the end zone, we could see him flipping through the play sheet, I'm assuming as Frazier was calling it in. He was frantically flipping and looking for something. After the score he got them all together on the end of the bench closest to us, got down on a knee an assistant brought the tablet over and he was coaching them up, Leslie was just standing there next to him. That following series, it sure looked very apparent he was calling the plays, as he was flipping through the sheet and talking into his mic, Leslie was just standing there next to him it didn't appear he was calling anything in and certainly was not looking at the play chart. Sean didn't call the rest of the game and, like a good fan in critical situations I was screaming my ass of trying to get the flame start lol.

 

I noticed that on that third series probably 2 or 3 plays and then only picked up 3  or 4 times the rest of the game. He didn't go back to coach them up again.

[HoofHearted]

2 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

Thanks for this. Yes I (thought I) summarized the Cover 1 position. Unlike me you obviously are schooled in the game (I played and was coached in other sports growing up) and so I wanted to challenge your comments more for the purpose of getting your reaction and learning something than for questioning your conclusions.

I may be wrong but I don't think I (completely) misunderstood the Cover 1 argument. 1) I believe they did say that the number of post snap keys to read increased in the playoffs and that this caused players to be confused as to their assignments on the given down resulting in blown coverages. 2) They said that this showed that Frazier did not trust his players to just play. They were critical of him.

You have also pointed out, no doubt correctly, that other teams run the same basic defence as McD and Frazier. I was inquiring of you whether this was or was not a meaningful comment. 3) In other words do differences in implementation, modification or execution account for differences in result. Or were we just down too many important players on D either absent or limited through injury to play as well as they had earlier albeit against less talented opposition.

The reason why these questions are important is because Frazier's contract is up and a decision on him has now got to be made. So where do you stand on our DC?
 

1) Number of reads won't change. Number of checks certainly could.

 

2) I'd say the opposite from what Cover 1 said about Frazier adding more checks in the playoffs - he's adding more checks because he does trust his players to be able to 1) make the checks and 2) execute them at a high level. If he came out and played vanilla then I'd be concerned he didn't trust his players to run the scheme.

 

3) All of those obviously affect results positively or negatively.

 

4) The scheme is not the issue if that's what you're asking. Adjustments are being made throughout games consistently, and we've been extremely innovative since this regime got here. Teams are going to score points in the playoffs - you're playing the best of the best. Frazier is never going to be the ra-ra guy who gets players fired up before games, but he shouldn't have to be. These are professional athletes. He's extremely methodical in his approach to games - shows a couple different looks early in games just to see how our opponents will try to attack them and then makes adjustments from there. It's why our defense seems to play better and better throughout games. Stay the course - we had one bad game.

1 hour ago, starrymessenger said:

Given especially that it has been something of a trend since the bye, it's really not enuf to say that we were out-physicalled or that we failed to execute. There are reasons for everything, and probably more than one reason why the Bills season progressed the way it did. Until you know what the reasons are it's hard to know what direction you should take. 

Then I don't know what to tell you. In that game, on that day, that was the issue. Nothing more - nothing less.

[HoofHearted]

33 minutes ago, DrPJax said:

It is true.  Broken down expertly by Eric on cover1’s YouTube video about “ you are what your last game says you are” , or close to that. It’s a fantastic breakdown of the literal defensive breakdown of the Cincy game.  It’s the strongest , most well documented expert analysis of how badly this team was out schemed in that game on both sides of the ball , but it really makes the best case for Frazier’s dismissal I have seen. And it’s fact based, not just vitriol seeking to lay blame.     Very worth your time to watch to fully understand how that debacle happened , yet the clues were already present in prior games.  Really shows how bad the defensive coaching failure was across the board.   
       I guess they let go of the safeties coach because they have no safeties left ti coach , and in mcds new vision they will just have epenesa lose weight again to be converted to strong saftey as mc Beane now realize with the cap they can’t keep rotating 10 dl’s as they attempt to get under the cap.

      Also as the corners are now playing at least 8 yards beyond the first down marker , they are really safeties in theory and Edmunds & Milano will now cover the boundaries as well in this latest version of cloud coverage which will give up any / all running plays to be sure they are never beaten with the deep ball.  Rbs fro opposing teams will eventually come in contact with the deeply dropped soft zone coverage , and it’s hoped by that time the Rb’s will be winded so that the tackling of those dbs now may actually improve.  This will help the stat about yards gained after contact ; since the rbs will already have gained all the yardage required for moving the chains , will be winded from sprinting untouched , our dbs should get them down immediately on contact so they will lead the league in least yards allowed after contact !
 

          It is just one sample of the forward thinking this staff is capable of given the reality we have zero cap space and an extreme excess of DL to draw from !   So , yes , firing the safeties coach makes so much sense! 😉👍

You need to take some of what they say with a grain of salt. For example Erik suggested playing more 2 Man in the game which would have gotten us gashed even more than we already did in the run game since you're taking guys out of the box.

 

His comments about Leslie sitting in the 4-2 Over is nonsensical since switching to an under front vs a Tight End would put our Nickel on the LoS playing essentially a 9 technique on the Inline-Tight End (I assume you can come to a logical conclusion about how that'd turn out).

 

That first touchdown they say we got out-schemed - we didn't get out-schemed... Poyer just busted the coverage and Edmunds didn't re-route the in-cut.

 

It's actually pretty amusing watching their film breakdown because schematically we are sound to everything they did. It was just failure to execute from a player standpoint, and this is where I think we are with Erik and Cover 1. He used to do a better job, but now that he's got some players ears it seems like he's so afraid to put blame on players and instead consistently puts everything on the staff and the scheme.

 

The third and 4 is the only thing that legitimately deserved any gripe out of the stuff they showed. I have to assume the Bills were playing some sort of Rat concept on that play - it's the only thing that makes sense based on the alignment of the defensive backs and coverage.

 

If you want I can breakdown every single one of those plays for you and show you how the scheme isn't what screwed us on those examples they showed.

[starrymessenger]

59 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

1) Number of reads won't change. Number of checks certainly could.

 

2) I'd say the opposite from what Cover 1 said about Frazier adding more checks in the playoffs - he's adding more checks because he does trust his players to be able to 1) make the checks and 2) execute them at a high level. If he came out and played vanilla then I'd be concerned he didn't trust his players to run the scheme.

 

3) All of those obviously affect results positively or negatively.

 

4) The scheme is not the issue if that's what you're asking. Adjustments are being made throughout games consistently, and we've been extremely innovative since this regime got here. Teams are going to score points in the playoffs - you're playing the best of the best. Frazier is never going to be the ra-ra guy who gets players fired up before games, but he shouldn't have to be. These are professional athletes. He's extremely methodical in his approach to games - shows a couple different looks early in games just to see how our opponents will try to attack them and then makes adjustments from there. It's why our defense seems to play better and better throughout games. Stay the course - we had one bad game.

Then I don't know what to tell you. In that game, on that day, that was the issue. Nothing more - nothing less.

Thanks for this. I think Cover 1 was saying they went from 5 to like maybe 15 checks. They seemed to think that a perfectionist and micromanaging DC was putting too much on their plates. I have, I think, a better idea of where you stand. With respect I’m not sure I would chalk up another late season debacle which appears to be part of a worrisome trend to the guys just having a bad day. I suppose much the same can be said regarding the O. I guess that in due course we will find out whether this is a “one of” or part of an ongoing saga requiring change.

[Behindenemylines]

11 hours ago, BigBadBills said:

Doubt it. His contract is up 

Dear God I hope they don’t renew!  He is 100% responsible for two SB run failures. 
 

if he was my employee he never would have made the plane after 13 seconds. 
 

 

[BobbyC81]

19 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Must be a function of Jaquan, Lewis, and to a lesser extent, Hamlin struggling when put into action such that they're scrambling to bring back guys like Marlowe.  As much as the fans have extremely strong opinions about position coaches, we have almost no visibility into what they do to inform an opinion on their performance.  But that is hardly an obstacle to some.

Then the WR coach should be fired.  Gabe Davis didn’t take that next step. McKenzie was inconsistent.  They then had to bring back Brown and Beasely.

[Amorgus]

Seriously, screw MSN for click baiting me this morning. The preview and article about a defensive coach firing shows a pic of Frazier but it's about Delgado. 

 

 

[The Red King]

7 minutes ago, Amorgus said:

Seriously, screw MSN for click baiting me this morning. The preview and article about a defensive coach firing shows a pic of Frazier but it's about Delgado. 

 

 

 

Same.  That was scummy.

 

If they think just firing the safties coach will fix things (or even pacify the fans) they are tone deaf and sorely mistaken.