Billl Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 8 hours ago, Norcalbillsfan said: In that zero blitz situation he has to play press or at least play up because the line to gain was too far away for tre to make a play on a slant that easily picks up the first like he did. Did the outcome seem like playing that far back was a good idea to you? From a coaching standpoint, yes. White was in position to tackle Chase short of a first down. That’s all a coach can do. If your best CB misses a tackle, you’ve got a personnel issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Off coverage is the hedge if the blitz doesn't get home. Which it probably won't because we're crap at disguising our blitzes, and our LBs aren't exactly skilled pass rushers. Especially late in the season when there's a ton of film on us. Calling a 6 man pressure, with press-man type coverage is very risky. Basically if one of the cover guys gets beat, it should be a TD for the O. That call is Frazier saying that his coverage can't hold up, so our best chance is to try and drop Burrow or force and incompletion/Int. Obviously the easy answer is throw hot to the huge, athletic WR for a new set of downs. I get that but you blitz on 3rd and 4 and play 10 yds off of Chase it's an easy 1st down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 we heard from saffold, and it was implied by diggs and millano's comments, that our players skipped a practice day and didn't really want to play. dorsey went to NC was it on saturday to interview? we can see from the formations and plays called that the coaches didn't really want to coach either. i really wasn't thinking we should fire everyone before, but given that motivation preparation and play calls all come from the coaches, i think there must 100% be some dramatic changes in coaching and perhaps a full one (but that i do not expect at all). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 When does the contract for Frazier expire? If he gets hired as a head coach, would they still get a comp pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, HardyBoy said: When does the contract for Frazier expire? If he gets hired as a head coach, would they still get a comp pick? I heard his contract is up, so my guess is they don't give him a new one, a nice way of saying hit the bricks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckets Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Frazier hasn't fielded a good defensive scheme since he's been here and the Dorsey experiment was a failure, they both have to go. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 11 hours ago, Simon said: It's a still picture well before the snap and before the Bengals OL is even set. Did the Bills DB's creep up before the snap? Did they attack the sticks after the snap? Did the two LB's drop into zones on the seams? Unless you have video of the actual defense being run, this photo is completely meaningless, imo. So you didn't watch the game ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 11 hours ago, Einstein said: That was the play that made me realize; “there really are fans that know more than NFL coaches”. LOL. I realized this 30+ YEARS AGO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, Buckets said: Frazier hasn't fielded a good defensive scheme since he's been here and the Dorsey experiment was a failure, they both have to go. Most frustrating about these schemes is both predictability and inflexibility. During the regular season, you had the 49ers and Chargers show you how to slow down Miami's offense in consecutive weeks. In last weeks wild card game the Ravens provided some clues on how to address Cincinnati's offense and dealing with Burrows. But Frazier ignored both of these examples. And on the offensive side defenses have had the Bills number for most of the 2nd half of the season. Dorsey has no answers. And by watching the Bills all season you can become pretty efficient in predicting the Bills plays just off the basis of personal packages and formations. If I can do that then the professionals employed by other NFL teams can do it too. Now why isn't the HC questioning the coordinators and demanding some creativity, surprise, and flexibility in their game plans along with designing them for the specific opponent? My guess is Zac Taylor just dusted off the mostly unused regular season game plan they devised against the Bills and took most of the week off before the game. He knew exactly what to expect and got exactly that on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I want a DC who can occasionally slow down an upper level QB not named Lamar Jackson. The Bills defense hasn't been elite imo for 3 years despite what the rankings tell us. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 From Tyler Dunne: At Highmark Stadium, it was clear that the Bills were not going to stop Joe Burrow and this Bengals offense. Immediately. Everything was so easy, so breezy through 79- and 72-yard touchdown drives to start this game. Cincy’s passing game was akin to a game of catch in the backyard with Bills defenders lining up so far off the ball. Blaming defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier for this is unbelievably short-sighted. Yes, he calls the plays but this entire defense is Sean McDermott’s baby. He runs it. It’s his show. Philosophically, he wants a unit that’ll bend, bend, bend and bend some more in hopes of never breaking. There’s minimal risk. No disguise. And certainly not a slot corner like Cincy’s Mike Hilton blitzing off the edge to change a game. The McDermott scheme begs the offense to nickel-and-dime its way down the field. That’ll earn you juicy stats against inferior quarterbacks in the middle of September. Not so much against the best in the NFL. Burrow essentially said “Don’t mind if I do!” exactly as Patrick Mahomes did those final 13 seconds of regulation one season ago. Before the first quarter was even over, the Bengals quarterback had completed passes to seven different players. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Negan said: I heard his contract is up, so my guess is they don't give him a new one, a nice way of saying hit the bricks!! Is that official? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 11 hours ago, AlfaBill said: From what I understand Fraxiers contract expires now. They have the option to renew it. I’m hoping for a “mutual decision to part ways” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 29 minutes ago, Dawgg said: From Tyler Dunne: At Highmark Stadium, it was clear that the Bills were not going to stop Joe Burrow and this Bengals offense. Immediately. Everything was so easy, so breezy through 79- and 72-yard touchdown drives to start this game. Cincy’s passing game was akin to a game of catch in the backyard with Bills defenders lining up so far off the ball. Blaming defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier for this is unbelievably short-sighted. Yes, he calls the plays but this entire defense is Sean McDermott’s baby. He runs it. It’s his show. Philosophically, he wants a unit that’ll bend, bend, bend and bend some more in hopes of never breaking. There’s minimal risk. No disguise. And certainly not a slot corner like Cincy’s Mike Hilton blitzing off the edge to change a game. The McDermott scheme begs the offense to nickel-and-dime its way down the field. That’ll earn you juicy stats against inferior quarterbacks in the middle of September. Not so much against the best in the NFL. Burrow essentially said “Don’t mind if I do!” exactly as Patrick Mahomes did those final 13 seconds of regulation one season ago. Before the first quarter was even over, the Bengals quarterback had completed passes to seven different players. We joke about matriculating the ball down the field. Turns out if you can actually matriculate the ball down the field in the playoffs... McD is basically hoping to stop you at the goal line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 12 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’m pretty sure Tre executed this play poorly plus he missed the tackle. That said it’s a bad play call. Make them work for it is how I like to play defense. I don’t particularly like our soft zone approach to everything. Good news for you then - they didn't play soft zone here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 36 minutes ago, Dawgg said: From Tyler Dunne: At Highmark Stadium, it was clear that the Bills were not going to stop Joe Burrow and this Bengals offense. Immediately. Everything was so easy, so breezy through 79- and 72-yard touchdown drives to start this game. Cincy’s passing game was akin to a game of catch in the backyard with Bills defenders lining up so far off the ball. Blaming defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier for this is unbelievably short-sighted. Yes, he calls the plays but this entire defense is Sean McDermott’s baby. He runs it. It’s his show. Philosophically, he wants a unit that’ll bend, bend, bend and bend some more in hopes of never breaking. There’s minimal risk. No disguise. And certainly not a slot corner like Cincy’s Mike Hilton blitzing off the edge to change a game. The McDermott scheme begs the offense to nickel-and-dime its way down the field. That’ll earn you juicy stats against inferior quarterbacks in the middle of September. Not so much against the best in the NFL. Burrow essentially said “Don’t mind if I do!” exactly as Patrick Mahomes did those final 13 seconds of regulation one season ago. Before the first quarter was even over, the Bengals quarterback had completed passes to seven different players. Yikes. Damning but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 12 hours ago, arcane said: That looks like cover 0 to me. FWIW, I usually see cushions around that size when teams call cover 0. The same thing that allowed Diggs to run by the Dolphins last week, but also forced errors and got sacks. Not defending the call or anything, I hate calling 0 against anyone but bad/rookie QBs, and i also could be wrong It is 0 - and most of the time you do play off when running 0. The whole concept is to bring pressure, force a quick throw, and have the DBs sitting on it. Everyone and their mother does this. The call isn't the issue - they just made a play and we didn't. If we'd made these plays routinely throughout the game these same arm chair coaches on here would be praising our players and coaching staff as geniuses lol. Most people on here see success or failure without any understanding of why there was success or failure but are quick to praise/bash. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: It is 0 - and most of the time you do play off when running 0. The whole concept is to bring pressure, force a quick throw, and have the DBs sitting on it. Everyone and their mother does this. The call isn't the issue - they just made a play and we didn't. If we'd made these plays routinely throughout the game these same arm chair coaches on here would be praising our players and coaching staff as geniuses lol. Most people on here see success or failure without any understanding of why there was success or failure but are quick to praise/bash. Nobody plays multiple yards off beyond the sticks in cover zero on 3rd down. And the teams that run it often and well play press man. They know they'll have a free rusher so they have to cover for a minimum of 2 seconds. If they can cover for 2 seconds their pressure will get home. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 13 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Lol. Everyone blaming the coach when the player missed the tackle. Typical. Well ya see, the choice of having those players on the team and and them being unable to perform on the field, is on the coaches and the GM, so…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Off coverage is the hedge if the blitz doesn't get home. This is the type of conservative thinking that needs to go away in the coaching staff. Its the playoffs. Win or go home. You’re already down a score and they’re about to score again. You have to take chances. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NyQuil Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 So do we know what date Frazier's contract expires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 As mush as it frustrates some of you, the "bend but don't break" style of defense has worked for the most part. But that Bengals game, just wow. Chase all alone(!) for a TD. WRs often matched with LBs. It's the worst case of "having being figured out'" I've ever seen. Burrows and Chase didn't even have to do anything special. Their schemes and OLine did it all. Frazier pissed me off to no end by not adjusting. Look, we basically all thought the Bills front four would pressure Burrows against a banged up Bengals OLine, that isn't that good to begin with. Well once you realize they're getting manhandled, do something! Blitz. Bring Klein from time to time. Nope. Just that expressionless serious face while the Dline gets pushed around like juniors. As for Dorsey, seeing so many good offensive play designs by all playoff teams, it just shows how vanilla the Bills offense has been. WTH. First year as OC or not, how can that even be? This isn't on the fly playcalling and adjusting, it's work and preparation through the week and season. No excuse for that, none. And for all the Diva outbursts, Diggs is RIGHT. Remember his amazing route running at the goal line, or for quick outs and back shoulder throws? Where were they these last weeks? It's not HIS fault. He's always delivered when called upon. Another case of coaches outsmarting themselves. Fire them both. Find new OC and DC. And as for the HC, all this comes back to him. And his language of "not figuring out what the Bengals were doing". Instead of adjusting to them, bring it to them! So disappointed in the coaches. If not only the fans but the players lose confidence in the leadership, it will be ugly. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Corners lining up 10 yards from the receivers, who play for a quick-release QB ... No disruption ... No taking away of any weapons. Just the same defense over and over: Soft zone, prevent the big play,. keep gap integrity. It works for the regular season, as we have an offense that's high-scoring, but it doesn't work for the playoffs. Plus, you can add missed tackles and a defensive line that failed to get any push. The pathetic defensive strategy and play-calling alone are ammunition to move on from our DC, who I've been a fan of. But we have (at least) two other playoff whiffs to add to it - the Dolphins and KC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 If this is the same crap we get next year then I am not going to invest another penny into this team. Awesome, we finally have our quarterback but neglect to protect him or give him weapons. I'm not even going to talk about the defense. I'm so confused about them for words. Idk I'm done for a while. I need a break. I won't let the door hit me on the way out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 How many times does our defense have to get completely annihilated in the playoffs before changes are made? This is 3 in a row now. Frazier cannot be here next year and none of you guys can seriously believe he’s a head coaching candidate can you? I’d get rid of Dorsey too. Zero rhythm to this offense, zero synch between running and passing schemes, zero use of our running backs in the passing game. Way to shorten the lifespan of our QB you absolute joke of an OC. He’s in way over his head and allowing Josh to have that much input into the OC was a mistake. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 13 hours ago, whorlnut said: In what world can McD complain about the talent of the players when he has spent most of the prime resources on his precious defense? A failure in talent evaluation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan_in_tx Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 14 hours ago, Long Suffering Fan said: Third and 4 (see below). You all remember it. This play is important for two reasons: 1. It shows a complete lack of defensive situational awareness on what can be given up on a play. 2. It is the exact same mistake that was made during 13 seconds. On this play, they are guarding the end zone, but will easily give up the first down. On 13 seconds, we were guarding the end zone, but willing to give up the two quick plays needed for a field goal. It is actually worse because this play typified our defensive philosophy for most of the day. I'm a level headed guy who does not normally call for firings (as if that matters), but this is beyond belief. There is simply no excuse to give so much space in this situation. I know I am not an expert. In my mind, this only makes it worse. Like probably half of Bills fandom, I was yelling at my screen before the snap. Shouldn't an expert been able to see what we all saw? I can be patient: Trey - He wasn't what he was last year, but at least I can have hope that he will be back to his old self next year. Poyer - Not his best game, but he was playing with Hyde, Hamlin, Marlowe, Johnson so I'll cut him some slack that he couldn't be himself. Dorsey - Not happy with him, but I can at least talk myself into the fact that this was his first year as a coordinator. But with Frazier I can have absolutely no confidence that he has learned how ridiculously bad this is. Last year I was hoping that he would be hired away from us. This year I don't think I have any hope of that. He's smarter than me, he knows more about defense than I ever will, yada, yada, but you don't have to work for NASA to realize that spacecraft need to be air tight. Have you ever played in wet snow like above? I understand he was more concerned with moving backwards than forwards... You play press or in front of the first down you need to turn and catch up on any deeper routes and will give up a TD. No easy answers with the conditions.. If we could have pressured Burrow like Cincy pressured Josh.. then this would not be a concern.. Our receivers were open just like Cincy's .. Josh didn't have time to get it to them.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Dawgg said: From Tyler Dunne: At Highmark Stadium, it was clear that the Bills were not going to stop Joe Burrow and this Bengals offense. Immediately. Everything was so easy, so breezy through 79- and 72-yard touchdown drives to start this game. Cincy’s passing game was akin to a game of catch in the backyard with Bills defenders lining up so far off the ball. Blaming defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier for this is unbelievably short-sighted. Yes, he calls the plays but this entire defense is Sean McDermott’s baby. He runs it. It’s his show. Philosophically, he wants a unit that’ll bend, bend, bend and bend some more in hopes of never breaking. There’s minimal risk. No disguise. And certainly not a slot corner like Cincy’s Mike Hilton blitzing off the edge to change a game. The McDermott scheme begs the offense to nickel-and-dime its way down the field. That’ll earn you juicy stats against inferior quarterbacks in the middle of September. Not so much against the best in the NFL. Burrow essentially said “Don’t mind if I do!” exactly as Patrick Mahomes did those final 13 seconds of regulation one season ago. Before the first quarter was even over, the Bengals quarterback had completed passes to seven different players. Fine, then fire them both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) Frazier is the longest tenured DC by far in the NFL. Frazier hired in 2017. Every DC but 2 hired 2021 or later by next year. The 2 DC’s are the ones that beat us, Lou Anarumo and Steve Spagnola. You guys might be right, it’s time: Edited January 24, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Frazier is the longest tenured DC by far in the NFL. I realize that this is a complain about Frazier, but I find it interesting that Kyle Shanahan found Mike McDaniel so important that he didn't even bother to replace him and just took over the nominal title of OC himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 14 hours ago, Long Suffering Fan said: Third and 4 (see below). You all remember it. This play is important for two reasons: 1. It shows a complete lack of defensive situational awareness on what can be given up on a play. 2. It is the exact same mistake that was made during 13 seconds. On this play, they are guarding the end zone, but will easily give up the first down. On 13 seconds, we were guarding the end zone, but willing to give up the two quick plays needed for a field goal. It is actually worse because this play typified our defensive philosophy for most of the day. I'm a level headed guy who does not normally call for firings (as if that matters), but this is beyond belief. There is simply no excuse to give so much space in this situation. I know I am not an expert. In my mind, this only makes it worse. Like probably half of Bills fandom, I was yelling at my screen before the snap. Shouldn't an expert been able to see what we all saw? I can be patient: Trey - He wasn't what he was last year, but at least I can have hope that he will be back to his old self next year. Poyer - Not his best game, but he was playing with Hyde, Hamlin, Marlowe, Johnson so I'll cut him some slack that he couldn't be himself. Dorsey - Not happy with him, but I can at least talk myself into the fact that this was his first year as a coordinator. But with Frazier I can have absolutely no confidence that he has learned how ridiculously bad this is. Last year I was hoping that he would be hired away from us. This year I don't think I have any hope of that. He's smarter than me, he knows more about defense than I ever will, yada, yada, but you don't have to work for NASA to realize that spacecraft need to be air tight. Frazier's defense works optimally when 4 players are all healthy. Poyer, Hyde, Edmunds & Taron Johnson. Take 1 out and it doesn't work. Even with all 4 playing, you're at a risk of 13 seconds failure. They try to keep everything in front of them and not get beat deep. They'll give up short/intermediate passes all day and rely on eventually a play being made on 3rd down or the other offense making a mistake. Great QBs make the plays and expose this defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 35 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: As mush as it frustrates some of you, the "bend but don't break" style of defense has worked for the most part. But that Bengals game, just wow. Chase all alone(!) for a TD. WRs often matched with LBs. It's the worst case of "having being figured out'" I've ever seen. Burrows and Chase didn't even have to do anything special. Their schemes and OLine did it all. And that is why this type of defense is the crack cocaine of football - terribly addictive and it never ends well. In our last 3 playoff loses the "bend but not break" defense broke and cost us the games. I would trade a top 3 statistical ranking defense for a top 15 ranking defense that played it's best football in the playoffs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenboy81 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Same defense formation for years,no wonder teams know what to do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) I'd like to throw a name out there...Ed Reed for DC. Was a DB coach here. Or Jim Leonhard Edited January 24, 2023 by Solomon Grundy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 If you use press coverage with cover 0 you will give up a TD to one of chase/higgins/Boyd on 100 attempts out of 100. The problem was either tre missing his tackle or the jailhouse blitz call, not that we needed to press with the blitz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, arcane said: If you use press coverage with cover 0 you will give up a TD to one of chase/higgins/Boyd on 100 attempts out of 100. The problem was either tre missing his tackle or the jailhouse blitz call, not that we needed to press with the blitz Pretty much. This D call isn’t who the Bills are on defense so it goes against most of the criticism of Frazier. Nothing was working. They did try different things. This was an example of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Suffering Fan Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 hours ago, fan_in_tx said: Have you ever played in wet snow like above? I understand he was more concerned with moving backwards than forwards... You play press or in front of the first down you need to turn and catch up on any deeper routes and will give up a TD. No easy answers with the conditions.. If we could have pressured Burrow like Cincy pressured Josh.. then this would not be a concern.. Our receivers were open just like Cincy's .. Josh didn't have time to get it to them.. Sure. IMO it makes the way they lined up worse because it is so much harder to close. Burrow was getting the ball out so quick (most of the time) that any pass rush would have a hard time getting home. He could do that effectively because of the cushion his WRs had. Bills WRs, for the most part, had much less space early in the routes, which meant Josh had to hold and gave the Cinn pass rush a chance. 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: And that is why this type of defense is the crack cocaine of football - terribly addictive and it never ends well. In our last 3 playoff loses the "bend but not break" defense broke and cost us the games. I would trade a top 3 statistical ranking defense for a top 15 ranking defense that played it's best football in the playoffs. I really like the way you think. Honestly, what good is a defense that works against good teams, but not the best offenses. We need our D to have a chance of success against the KCs and the Cinns of the league. I don't care how good their defensive ranking is because they can dominate a team that went 500. 52 minutes ago, arcane said: If you use press coverage with cover 0 you will give up a TD to one of chase/higgins/Boyd on 100 attempts out of 100. The problem was either tre missing his tackle or the jailhouse blitz call, not that we needed to press with the blitz Arcane, come on, you know that is not correct, especially if they have to get the pass out quick - which they did most of the day. Throws over the top are harder and Tre is going to be at least in the neighborhood. The one thing that is 100% with that call is that they can get the first down if they want it. That is why the call is so bad. The Tre tackle thing - I respectfully disagree. No one is making that tackle before the sticks. They WR would need to be stood straight up and dropped immediately. A WR of Chase's quality is always going to be able to take an angle and fall forward. He is not going to be stopped, especially with that footing. Let's say you did stop them half a yard short by some miracle. Are we confident we are going to stop the fourth and a half? I'm not. And let's not forget the other three targets were given even more space. Burrow had his pick of ways to get the first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Suffering Fan Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Nothing was working. They did try different things. This was an example of that. Okay, try different things, but don't try something that everyone knows will not work. Let me try framing it this way. Would you try that exact same defense, except that all those not rushing are standing on the goal line? No, on third and four, that would be absurd. It would never work. Why is that absurd? Because it automatically gives up the first down. The defense Frazier called is just as absurd for the exact same reason. Again, my rant is not really about this play. This play is merely an example of a REAL problem that will make it much harder for Buffalo to beat good teams in the playoffs. It is the same problem as 13 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Hopkins Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 It should have happened after the failure to put away the Chiefs last year. The "13 seconds" was an enormous coaching failure of epic proportion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 19 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said: Sure. IMO it makes the way they lined up worse because it is so much harder to close. Burrow was getting the ball out so quick (most of the time) that any pass rush would have a hard time getting home. He could do that effectively because of the cushion his WRs had. Bills WRs, for the most part, had much less space early in the routes, which meant Josh had to hold and gave the Cinn pass rush a chance. I really like the way you think. Honestly, what good is a defense that works against good teams, but not the best offenses. We need our D to have a chance of success against the KCs and the Cinns of the league. I don't care how good their defensive ranking is because they can dominate a team that went 500. Arcane, come on, you know that is not correct, especially if they have to get the pass out quick - which they did most of the day. Throws over the top are harder and Tre is going to be at least in the neighborhood. The one thing that is 100% with that call is that they can get the first down if they want it. That is why the call is so bad. The Tre tackle thing - I respectfully disagree. No one is making that tackle before the sticks. They WR would need to be stood straight up and dropped immediately. A WR of Chase's quality is always going to be able to take an angle and fall forward. He is not going to be stopped, especially with that footing. Let's say you did stop them half a yard short by some miracle. Are we confident we are going to stop the fourth and a half? I'm not. And let's not forget the other three targets were given even more space. Burrow had his pick of ways to get the first. No, no team playing cover 0 lines their DBs in press on the wide receiver lol. You want press coverage? Don't blitz 7 guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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