thenorthremembers Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 The Bills can clear a lot of money by restructuring contracts this offseason, however if they want to trade for someone like DeAndre Hopkins or Brandin Cooks they will have to find someone to take on Ed Oliver's contract as well. We wont be able to keep Oliver and sign another big money wide receiver. That said, Michael Thomas just restructured his contract to make it easier for the Saints to move away from him in the offseason. If the Saints dont move him off their roster by March 17th they will owe him 32 million dollars next year, something I dont imagine they want to do. With Thomas and Beckham both coming off of injuries and playing very little the last two seasons it's possible they have to take a one year prove it deal, hypothetically something in the range of 7-8 million dollars, doable for the Bills. If we have to go the route of taking a chance on a gifted but tarnished wideout, which one would you prefer? If neither, what other option do you see for the Bills? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Neither. Use a first round pick on one. Control him on the cheap for five years. 8 12 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Linemen please. Anyone can play wideout 2 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Neither. Ideas like these are why we'll never be in the big one. Commit actual assets (1-3 rd picks) to the position. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: Linemen please. Anyone can play wideout Say this LOUDER. so the guys in the back row can hear you.. For christ sakes, Take note what the Eagles, San Fran and Bengals did with their offensive line over the last 2 years. If the NFL draft picks go as follows.. OL, OL, OL, OL... I can live with that. Double down at guard and T. Do it Early. Fix the damn line. And stop drafting so late on picks for the line. 2 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Michael Thomas had 1,700 yards in his last full season and if he's 100% healthy, then he's the top wr available. Offensive line is the bigger concern, but we definitely need to give Josh another consistent weapon next season. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, PrimeTime101 said: Say this LOUDER. so the guys in the back row can hear you.. For christ sakes, Take note what the Eagles, San Fran and Bengals did with their offensive line over the last 2 years. If the NFL draft picks go as follows.. OL, OL, OL, OL... I can live with that. Double down at guard and T. Do it Early. Fix the damn line. And stop drafting so late on picks for the line. Even if they pay Thomas or Beckham on the cheap they can still bring in a RT in the offseason. If you sign a WR is free agency you have the freedom to go Guard in the 1st. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Not one iota of interest in either of these players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, thenorthremembers said: Even if they pay Thomas or Beckham on the cheap they can still bring in a RT in the offseason. If you sign a WR is free agency you have the freedom to go Guard in the 1st. yea no.. sorry. JA has one play where he has a ton of time and 3 where he is running for his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Say this LOUDER. so the guys in the back row can hear you.. For christ sakes, Take note what the Eagles, San Fran and Bengals did with their offensive line over the last 2 years. If the NFL draft picks go as follows.. OL, OL, OL, OL... I can live with that. Double down at guard and T. Do it Early. Fix the damn line. And stop drafting so late on picks for the line. Add KC too. They completely rebuilt OL 2 years ago. All 4 teams fighting for Super Bowl next week. Edited January 23, 2023 by RocCityRoller 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: Neither. Ideas like these are why we'll never be in the big one. Commit actual assets (1-3 rd picks) to the position. The issue is picking late. Picking at 27, Johnston, Addison, and Smith-Njigba are likely all gone. Would you rather have Jalin Hyatt or the other two I've listed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Linemen please. Anyone can play wideout Get your head checked please 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: yea no.. sorry. JA has one play where he has a ton of time and 3 where he is running for his life. And in what I just laid out I gave him a new RT and a 1st Round Guard. Say you bring in Jack Conklin at RT, Draft O'Cyrus Torrence and sign Michael Thomas. Think those are all upgrades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, TheBeaneBandit said: Get your head checked please Shakir and Beasley were open. Get some blockers, lmao at Odell or a guy who never plays as options 😂☠️☠️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, thenorthremembers said: And in what I just laid out I gave him a new RT and a 1st Round Guard. Say you bring in Jack Conklin at RT, Draft O'Cyrus Torrence and sign Michael Thomas. Think those are all upgrades no.. still no. we will have 37 players only contracted going into next year. its not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) Zay Flowers...dude looks and moves like a poor man's Tyreek Hill. Same height, same build, slightly slower at 4.37 but dude can stop on a dime and change directions ridiculously well. Edited January 23, 2023 by Big Turk 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Neither. Injuries, age and cost, are against them, in one way or another. Either draft someone - there are WRs with ability all over the draft - or sign someone who is going to be around a while. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Zay Flowers...dude looks and moves like a poor man's Tyreek Hill. Slightly slower at 4.37 but dude can stop on a dime and change directions ridiculously well. Love Zay Flowers. Was hoping he would come out last year. Actually reminds me a lot of Henry Ruggs who I loved coming out of Alabama. Would have had a great career had he not made horrible decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: The issue is picking late. Picking at 27, Johnston, Addison, and Smith-Njigba are likely all gone. Would you rather have Jalin Hyatt or the other two I've listed? 100% absolutely. Thomas has a $13 mil dead cap hit even if they cut him, and he's played 3 games in the last 2.5 years. You really want to take that risk? Cuz you're not getting him without that contact somehow. As for OBJ, I'm out on him after the injury concerns/airport fiasco. Too much of a risk, plus will demand HIGH value this offseason (take one look at the upcoming FA WR list it's terrible). I'd gladly pay a rookie deal 1 2 or 3 rounder and give them a shot vs the options you listed. PS - I do like Marquez Callaway this offseason. Cheap contract and had a nice year recently. Could be worth a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: 100% absolutely. Thomas has a $13 mil dead cap hit even if they cut him, and he's played 3 games in the last 2.5 years. You really want to take that risk? Cuz you're not getting him without that contact somehow. As for OBJ, I'm out on him after the injury concerns/airport fiasco. Too much of a risk, plus will demand HIGH value this offseason (take one look at the upcoming FA WR list it's terrible). I'd gladly pay a rookie deal 1 2 or 3 rounder and give them a shot vs the options you listed. PS - I do like Marquez Callaway this offseason. Cheap contract and had a nice year recently. Could be worth a shot. Makes sense. Started the topic to for discussion sake, and you have valid points. Not sure how I feel about Hyatt yet. Seems like the idea that a WR takes 3 years to develop has gone out the window with so many young guys having success out of the gate. The free agent list was another reason I had either of these guys as an option. Edited January 23, 2023 by thenorthremembers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Mike Gesicki would be a great upgrade as far as our slot WR position is concerned. That was a glaring weakness for us all year long I thought. McKenzie is not the guy we thought he was and Beasley, as much as I love him is just way too old at this point. Allen missed having that smart, move the chains, physical, find the soft spot in the defense kind of weapon I thought. Give me a slot WR and give me another outside WR to compete against Gabe Davis, preferably in the 1st-3rd rounds. If we expect Allen to be the “franchise” which I think he is, give this guy a solid OL and I’m talking 330lbs minimum as a requirement for every player on our line, like heaviest line in the league kind of big and get the guy some more weapons and a running attack! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: Makes sense. Started the topic to for discussion sake, and you have valid points. Not sure how I feel about Hyatt yet. Seems like the idea that a WR takes 3 years to develop has gone out the window with so many young guys having success out of the gate. Of course. We're all trying to wrap our heads around what happened yesterday and dialogue helps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I like Parris Campbell as a cheaper FA. He missed a lot of time in his first few seasons, was healthy this year & played really well despite awful QB play. Can play outside or slot, and should come pretty cheap. Even if we draft a 1st round WR, who's to say McD would play him any more than they played Shakir this year? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Say this LOUDER. so the guys in the back row can hear you.. For christ sakes, Take note what the Eagles, San Fran and Bengals did with their offensive line over the last 2 years. If the NFL draft picks go as follows.. OL, OL, OL, OL... I can live with that. Double down at guard and T. Do it Early. Fix the damn line. And stop drafting so late on picks for the line. Are you talking specifically through the draft? Because none of those teams spent great resources via the draft in 21 & 22. Each team spent a 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder, combined in the 2 drafts. That's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Linemen please. Anyone can play wideout Clearly not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Zay Flowers...dude looks and moves like a poor man's Tyreek Hill. Same height, same build, slightly slower at 4.37 but dude can stop on a dime and change directions ridiculously well. Love him. This is exactly who the Bills need. A guy that can add some real juice and athleticism to this offense. Diggs, Flowers, Gabe Davis, and an improved Shakir would be formidable (if the line can hold up.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Love him. This is exactly who the Bills need. A guy that can add some real juice and athleticism to this offense. Diggs, Flowers, Gabe Davis, and an improved Shakir would be formidable (if the line can hold up.) My only issue with him is size. He is listed at 5"10 172, will be interesting to see what he measures out at during the combine. May be strict slot guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: My only issue with him is size. He is listed at 5"10 172, will be interesting to see what he measures out at during the combine. May be strict slot guy. Worked for guys like Tyreek and Desean Jackson, but they are outliers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said: Say this LOUDER. so the guys in the back row can hear you.. For christ sakes, Take note what the Eagles, San Fran and Bengals did with their offensive line over the last 2 years. If the NFL draft picks go as follows.. OL, OL, OL, OL... I can live with that. Double down at guard and T. Do it Early. Fix the damn line. And stop drafting so late on picks for the line. Um, the Eagles spent a huge amount of draft capital on their two main wideouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 57 minutes ago, 947 said: I like Parris Campbell as a cheaper FA. He missed a lot of time in his first few seasons, was healthy this year & played really well despite awful QB play. Can play outside or slot, and should come pretty cheap. Even if we draft a 1st round WR, who's to say McD would play him any more than they played Shakir this year? I like Campbell as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, whorlnut said: Neither. Use a first round pick on one. Control him on the cheap for five years. You have someone in mind? Who will be at pick 27 for the Bills? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: You have someone in mind? Who will be at pick 27 for the Bills? I think there will be receivers available. This class isn’t as top heavy as last year, but there will be a few that will be late first rounders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 spend all the picks on OL If Josh has time he can make what we have look fine If he doesnt you can bring in Randy Moss and it wont matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 DeAndre Hopkins is top of the list for me. He fits Allen's style so well and is still playing at a high level. That's a no-brainer trade even if we have to overpay. Michael Thomas I'm concerned with recurring injury issues but sure I'd take a shot. Cooks or OBJ would be fallback options. If we don't end up with one of those 4 the offseason is a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: The issue is picking late. Picking at 27, Johnston, Addison, and Smith-Njigba are likely all gone. Would you rather have Jalin Hyatt or the other two I've listed? Marvin Mims. Get him end of second. Some say he goes in the third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 See if someone will take 27 and Oliver to move up in RD1 to where we can get a legit WR. Frees up his cap hit as well. Firmly in the camp of going WR in the draft unless a top FA WR wants to come here on a discount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, whorlnut said: Neither. Use a first round pick on one. Control him on the cheap for five years. Relying on rookies to fill holes is a mistake. They have to do what they did in 2020 and make a splash move for a known commodity. They can also draft a WR early if the board falls right but that can't be the plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: The Bills can clear a lot of money by restructuring contracts this offseason, however if they want to trade for someone like DeAndre Hopkins or Brandin Cooks they will have to find someone to take on Ed Oliver's contract as well. We wont be able to keep Oliver and sign another big money wide receiver. That said, Michael Thomas just restructured his contract to make it easier for the Saints to move away from him in the offseason. If the Saints dont move him off their roster by March 17th they will owe him 32 million dollars next year, something I dont imagine they want to do. With Thomas and Beckham both coming off of injuries and playing very little the last two seasons it's possible they have to take a one year prove it deal, hypothetically something in the range of 7-8 million dollars, doable for the Bills. If we have to go the route of taking a chance on a gifted but tarnished wideout, which one would you prefer? If neither, what other option do you see for the Bills? Offensive lineman and an Offensive Coordinator that can develop and use a run game and emphasize high percentage passes. If Eds contract is anywhere near what a "Big Money" wide receiver's is considering he hasn't done anything to justify giving him a big contract Bean should be tarred and feathered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, ALLinALLEN said: Neither. Ideas like these are why we'll never be in the big one. Commit actual assets (1-3 rd picks) to the position. Why? Our GM can’t draft good players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Victory Formation said: Mike Gesicki would be a great upgrade as far as our slot WR position is concerned. That was a glaring weakness for us all year long I thought. McKenzie is not the guy we thought he was and Beasley, as much as I love him is just way too old at this point. Allen missed having that smart, move the chains, physical, find the soft spot in the defense kind of weapon I thought. Give me a slot WR and give me another outside WR to compete against Gabe Davis, preferably in the 1st-3rd rounds. If we expect Allen to be the “franchise” which I think he is, give this guy a solid OL and I’m talking 330lbs minimum as a requirement for every player on our line, like heaviest line in the league kind of big and get the guy some more weapons and a running attack! I think Gesicki would want a prove deal and not sure he'd get enough looks here that allow him to earn a big contract the following year. Yet agree we need help in the slot and 2nd TE. If we do look at free agency, I think a guy like Greg Dortch could be a low cost good slot answer yet unsure of his RFA vs UFA status. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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