A day later, I'm still in the camp of cleaning house.

[jamiezzz]

29 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Will the Buffalo media hold Beane to account with tough questions and not let him off the hook.

The media is not allowed to ask tough questions, or question the team.  The owner won't allow it.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

I'm 50/50 on Sean, but replacing both coordinators is absolutely on the table for me. 

And someone needs to atone for these God awful draft picks. 

Boogie is the slowest pile of dung I've ever seen, and 57 and 91 are invisible. Those are huge misses on high draft picks. 

 

#91 was not invisible when he was healthy. He was hurt a lot this year, and played the last 4 or 5 games with his right shoulder held together by tape. But has he justified top 10 pick status? No, it is fair, he hasn't. 

 

Cody Ford, AJE, Boogie Basham, Spencer Brown, 3 day two picks on running backs and we still can't rush the passer in big spots, have a dreaful oline and an inconsistent run game. That is on Brandon Beane. 

 

I repeat I wouldn't fire anyone now, but the entire regime has to do better in 2023 or else I might. 

[BigBuff423]

At this point, I don't care what the fix is...just fix it. I will say I think Beane has Drafted good players, but McDermott is reluctant to put them in...Shakir is a good WR and he's had flashes, but he needed time on the field to really show it. I think it's right not to re-sign Poyer, I didn't agree with the Hyde extension, and the Offensive Line needs the majority of attention, but Elam not playing while Dane was getting cooked is on McDermott. McKenzie the fumble-drops machine playing over Shakir is on McDermott. The really crappy Offensive play-calling in critical situations is on Dorsey and his continued lack of performance without accountability is on McDermott.

 

I've been a McDermott fan since his arrival and he was the perfect coach for what happened with Hamlin, but really I question his decisions over the last two years in regards to how he adapts. I think we've seen the influence Daboll had on the Offense and Josh and rightfully, I think McDermott gave Daboll total control over the Offense. But, it was his job to find the right Coordinator for the job and while I appreciate Josh's in-put, it's not Josh's job that's on the line - it's McDermott's if the Offense failed. And it did. Too often in critical moments. 

 

So, fire whomever - I would keep Beane for the aforementioned reasons - but it's time for change.

 

Edit: I also think it's time for the Bills to stop granting permission for interviews to Coordinators until they're done. It's a distraction and it keeps happening which I think, at least to some small degree, influences the preparation and focus of the Coordinators for the playoff game.

Edited January 23, 2023 by BigBuff423
Extra Thought

[dorquemada]

When you look at this team as a whole, i'm not sure I see a single star outside of Allen, Diggs, and Milano.  Every single other player needs to be looked at from a cost/benefit ratio, and terminate with extreme prejudice.  Someone else brought up the example of KC turning over their whole OL in 1 year.  I watched them Saturday and their OL appears to be light years better than ours.

 

I said it a few months back here, maybe after the Vikings game.  Something has been off with this team for the back half of the season.  Yeah, the blizzard, Hamlin, etc, but i cant help but feel there's something else going on.  Even Allen completely lacked fire yesterday.  Has McD's style run it's course?

[BillyBilliams]

29 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I thought taking a beat, sleeping on it.. maybe I’d be a bit more chill. 
 

I’m even more frustrated this morning.
 

Sweeping changes need to be made.  
 

Three years.  Three brutal losses in the Playoffs and no Super Bowl appearances. 
 

The current iteration of the Bills team needs to be over.  
 

That goes beyond just letting guys walk.  It means trading some guys and letting go of coaches..

 

I don’t want McDermott here anymore, but understand he likely will.. so make him step up and bring in new coordinators. 
 

4 brutal losses.  You’re forgetting the blown 16-0 lead vs Houston

[mjt328]

I'm torn.  Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott should be commended for lifting this franchise out of the gutter, and making it relevant for the first time in almost 20 years.  But it was VERY clear yesterday.  What they constructed is good enough to make the playoffs.  It's not good enough to win a Super Bowl.  And everyone involved plays a major role in that truth.

 

Beane spent THREE YEARS of major draft resources on the D-Line.  What we witnessed yesterday was absolutely unacceptable failure.  With their starting O-Line in shambles, the Bengals completely rolled us in the trenches.  Not a single one of Beane's high picks made a single play all day.  Ed Oliver.  AJ Epenesa.  Greg Rousseau.  Boogie Basham.  Our great hope is a 34-year-old Von Miller coming back from his second ACL tear in December next year.

 

McDermott seems to have built a close locker room, and players seem to respect him.  But the guy and his staff NEVER bring it when it comes to original/creative gameplans.  He always relying on the players to execute the standard playbook, which is JUST NOT ENOUGH when you are facing elite Quarterbacks in the postseason.  You have to throw in wrinkles and surprises, and he just never does it.  His defense has collapsed in the playoffs four years in a row.  

 

[Mark92]

13 seconds.  That right there should have been the eye opener.  Something is rotten within the coaching ranks.  They made 3 horrible decisions in those 13 seconds.  They didn't kick the ball short, then they sat back and allowed the chiefs receivers to pickup an easy 20 yard play.  Then, they did it again.  Who made those decisions?  Was it all McDermott or was it all Frazier or possibly both?  Now both lines look like my high school team could move them around.  Nah man, it's time for some new blood.  Maybe it's just Frazier out but everything is on the table.  

1 minute ago, mjt328 said:

I'm torn.  Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott should be commended for lifting this franchise out of the gutter, and making it relevant for the first time in almost 20 years.  But it was VERY clear yesterday.  What they constructed is good enough to make the playoffs.  It's not good enough to win a Super Bowl.  And everyone involved plays a major role in that truth.

 

Beane spent THREE YEARS of major draft resources on the D-Line.  What we witnessed yesterday was absolutely unacceptable failure.  With their starting O-Line in shambles, the Bengals completely rolled us in the trenches.  Not a single one of Beane's high picks made a single play all day.  Ed Oliver.  AJ Epenesa.  Greg Rousseau.  Boogie Basham.  Our great hope is a 34-year-old Von Miller coming back from his second ACL tear in December next year.

 

McDermott seems to have built a close locker room, and players seem to respect him.  But the guy and his staff NEVER bring it when it comes to original/creative gameplans.  He always relying on the players to execute the standard playbook, which is JUST NOT ENOUGH when you are facing elite Quarterbacks in the postseason.  You have to throw in wrinkles and surprises, and he just never does it.  His defense has collapsed in the playoffs four years in a row.  

 

You're describing the Titans of the last 5 years.  I really love me some big baller Beane.  I hope he sees the light and does what needs to be done here.  

[Buffalo Boy]

59 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Here's why: 

 

1) draft malfeasance: starting with the atrocious decision to to draft an undersized DT in the top 10 (a guy who's been rotational and not game changing in any way instead of a top offensive talent on the line or receiver) and ending with drafting a CB who isn't a scheme fit and therefore really didn't contribute all that much, Brandon Beane has failed in the draft post 2018. That failure was a DIRECT contributor to the divisional round ceiling this team now has. 

 

2) misplaced loyalty: McDermott is loyal. I get it. He doesn't want to throw his guys under the bus. Star L, Trent Murphy, Leslie Frazier, I could go on, but why? The man can't recognize cancer and lets it fester.

 

3) complete lack of situational awareness: this coaching staff is incapable of seeing the forest for the trees and is all too willing to continue doing what isn't working on and off the field in the name of continuity.

 

4) defensive malpractice: for guys who claim expertise in defense, this team's defense sucks, on ice. It's a worse version of the colts finesse defense under Dungy. It plays zone 90% of the time but can't stop a third and long if their lives depended on it. I'm over the soft zone. Time to go. 

 

5) it's just time. Sometimes a guy comes in, cleans house, gets things working. A guy may succeed in that job, but find himself incapable of taking the next step. That's Sean McDermott. He's a great culture builder and I mean great. But he's hit his ceiling..bring someone in who can get the job done. 

 

 

 

 

   Not a thing I can disagree with here!

 

   People always use the Window analogy for the Super Bowl. Our window was fully open last year and the Defensive , Special teams and Head coach blew it as a group and did so in 13 seconds.

     The first window is now mostly closed.

     I have a sneaking hunch that a different D coordinator might be able to get more out of our personal then Frazier and McD.

    Finally, a team takes on the personality of its head coach to some degree. This team clearly has. Reactionary and hesitant!!!!! It seems to have gotten into Allen even. 
     We need wholesale changed in the coaching department but as others have stated I doubt it happens soon enough.

    Does Beane have the cajones and awareness to sever McBeane and go in another direction??!!!

 

[TonyBeets]

After watching the 49ers and Cowboys play shortly after our game, I quickly realized how undermanned we are on defense.  Those guys fly around and make plays.  

 

There were times yesterday that Joe Burrow looked like he was in training camp, playing against guys that won't make the team.  It was really bad.

[dorquemada]

1 minute ago, BillyBilliams said:

4 brutal losses.  You’re forgetting the blown 16-0 lead vs Houston

 

At least in that game we got superman josh at the end and it was exciting.  This game was garbage and the Bills put in an insulting effort.  I almost bought tickets for my son and I to go to this game and i am patting myself on the back today

[Mark92]

11 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

At this point, I don't care what the fix is...just fix it. I will say I think Beane has Drafted good players, but McDermott is reluctant to put them in...Shakir is a good WR and he's had flashes, but he needed time on the field to really show it. I think it's right not to re-sign Poyer, I didn't agree with the Hyde extension, and the Offensive Line needs the majority of attention, but Elam not playing while Dane was getting cooked is on McDermott. McKenzie the fumble-drops machine playing over Shakir is on McDermott. The really crappy Offensive play-calling in critical situations is on Dorsey and his continued lack of performance without accountability is on McDermott.

 

I've been a McDermott fan since his arrival and he was the perfect coach for what happened with Hamlin, but really I question his decisions over the last two years in regards to how he adapts. I think we've seen the influence Daboll had on the Offense and Josh and rightfully, I think McDermott gave Daboll total control over the Offense. But, it was his job to find the right Coordinator for the job and while I appreciate Josh's in-put, it's not Josh's job that's on the line - it's McDermott's if the Offense failed. And it did. Too often in critical moments. 

 

So, fire whomever - I would keep Beane for the aforementioned reasons - but it's time for change.

Yeah, I really trust Beane.  I tore us down when he first got here and quickly built a really good team for 2020 season.  The last 2 years has been filling in holes and hoping the others improve.  Didn't happen.  

[dorquemada]

7 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

13 seconds.  That right there should have been the eye opener.  Something is rotten within the coaching ranks.  They made 3 horrible decisions in those 13 seconds.  They didn't kick the ball short, then they sat back and allowed the chiefs receivers to pickup an easy 20 yard play.  Then, they did it again.  Who made those decisions?  Was it all McDermott or was it all Frazier or possibly both?  Now both lines look like my high school team could move them around.  Nah man, it's time for some new blood.  Maybe it's just Frazier out but everything is on the table.  

You're describing the Titans of the last 5 years.  I really love me some big baller Beane.  I hope he sees the light and does what needs to be done here.  

 

ALL SEASON that soft zone let up 3rd and long over and over again. Does any other playoff team play that?

[Beast]

45 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

The "culture" he has built is of playoff chokers.

 

They need a new culture.  Or  no culture.  Just win baby.

Yep.

 

Yesterday turned me. Enough is enough. I don’t want Marv Levy and 4 Super Bowl losses. I want John ***** Gruden and 1 Super Bowl win.

[BillzFreak]

7 minutes ago, TonyBeets said:

After watching the 49ers and Cowboys play shortly after our game, I quickly realized how undermanned we are on defense.  Those guys fly around and make plays.  

 

There were times yesterday that Joe Burrow looked like he was in training camp, playing against guys that won't make the team.  It was really bad.

Again I wouldn't say undermanned because those teams run different looks and try things on a week to week basis to try and stop the opposing team. We Trott out the same nickle defense and refuse to get out of it. And when we do bring pressure we play so far off of the receivers the pressure means nothing. I'd like to see this defense with a guy who has the sack to actually attack on defense, not sit back and play soft. 

Edited January 23, 2023 by BillzFreak

[gonzo1105]

If I had to venture a guess, it makes more sense to move on from Frazier first. 
 

Bills are going to lose defensive talent over the next year or two and it makes sense from a timing standpoint to change while the talent is changing. 
 

Dorsey gets more weapons and line next year to prove he’s the guy. If not he’s gone 

[Shemp]

For one, I think Frazier has got to go.

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 minutes ago, TonyBeets said:

After watching the 49ers and Cowboys play shortly after our game, I quickly realized how undermanned we are on defense.  Those guys fly around and make plays.  

 

There were times yesterday that Joe Burrow looked like he was in training camp, playing against guys that won't make the team.  It was really bad.

The four best teams are in the conference finals with an honorable mention going to the Cowboys.  After yesterday, the Bills just look like they're on the second tier.  My expectations for major changes are dim.  These guys are just going to make marginal moves that won't do much because I think they incorrectly believe they are "this close" to it.  After watching the NFC game last night and the Chiefs they're not.  The Bills are no closer than the Giants were against the Eagles.  Which is depressing.

 

I think there's only one person that has any leverage to approach ownership and demand changes be made and that's Josh Allen.  I suspect he's not quite there yet but if I'm his agent I would entertain having a discussion with ownership suggesting I'm not going sit idly and allow my client to take another 17 game beating like he did this season and expose himself to injury or long term health issues.  So unless Pegula makes some major moves I'm going to demand a trade where Josh can go to a team committed to providing an offensive line and the weapons he needs to succeed and the Bills can get a decent return of around 3 first rounders for their trouble.  At the very least such a demand would enrage the fan base to a point and level that Pegula could not ignore.

[Fan in Chicago]

3 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

If I had to venture a guess, it makes more sense to move on from Frazier first. 
 

Bills are going to lose defensive talent over the next year or two and it makes sense from a timing standpoint to change while the talent is changing. 
 

Dorsey gets more weapons and line next year to prove he’s the guy. If not he’s gone 

I wonder if the next few days will play out like this:

Beane and McDermott let the dust settle and avoid the post-battering emotions. 

Beane communicates that Frazier has been given a LOT of resources over the past several seasons and yet has continually underperformed in key games --> he has to go

McD goes Wade Phillips and says "I wont fire him, if he goes I go"

Beane decides that is the best course of action for the team

 

I have been saying for at least the past 2 years that Frazier is not the guy to win us the big one. I find it fascinating that Beane "cleaned" the roster upon arrival to build a team which McD and Frazier wanted. And yet 5+ years in, we still got 13 seconds and the absolute disaster yesterday. The NFL doesnt give you such a long time to succeed in the NFL. You have a generational talent at QB - dont waste it !

[Dr. Who]

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

The four best teams are in the conference finals with an honorable mention going to the Cowboys.  After yesterday, the Bills just look like they're on the second tier.  My expectations for major changes are dim.  These guys are just going to make marginal moves that won't do much because I think they incorrectly believe they are "this close" to it.  After watching the NFC game last night and the Chiefs they're not.  The Bills are no closer than the Giants were against the Eagles.  Which is depressing.

 

I think there's only one person that has any leverage to approach ownership and demand changes be made and that's Josh Allen.  I suspect he's not quite there yet but if I'm his agent I would entertain having a discussion with ownership suggesting I'm not going sit idly and allow my client to take another 17 game beating like he did this season and expose himself to injury or long term health issues.  So unless Pegula makes some major moves I'm going to demand a trade where Josh can go to a team committed to providing an offensive line and the weapons he needs to succeed and the Bills can get a decent return of around 3 first rounders for their trouble.  At the very least such a demand would enrage the fan base to a point and level that Pegula could not ignore.

Demanding a trade is foolish and won't happen. Expressing deep concern and demanding accountability is right. Josh is a legacy qb, but you only get the rewards with playoff success. The current team and coaching philosophy leaves a lot to be desired to make that happen.

[SoCal Deek]

Reading through all of the comments this morning it’s rare to see such consensus around a topic….on anything these days. We all know it. We can all see it. The Bills are simply not physical enough to beat the better teams week after week in a playoff run. And that’s on BOTH sides of the ball. 
 

The question is will management do anything about it? I, for one, doubt it. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Demanding a trade is foolish and won't happen. Expressing deep concern and demanding accountability is right. Josh is a legacy qb, but you only get the rewards with playoff success. The current team and coaching philosophy leaves a lot to be desired to make that happen.

A trade won't happen but absent any incentive or pressure we all know with close to 100% certainty ownership and management won't make any significant and necessary changes. 

[colin]

d meltdowns and bad situational play, that's been the downfall of our team.  we all thought if we could just get home we can make it to the bowl, but we have lost a game at home EVERY YEAR to a physical team in bad weather.  EVERY FLIPPIN YEAR!

 

im sick of this fake tough guy chest out and goofing around while we beat up the sisters of the weak and poor to just hiding when it rains a bit and a team w some blockers (even 3rd stringers like cinci!) comes to town.  we need to sign some butt kickers and we need to ditch frazier.

[stosh64]

50 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Besides Diggs, Josh and Milano I can’t think of any. I want guys that will punch you in the face for looking at them.

Exactly!  One of the top on my list is the super nice, loveable Schnowman.  The guy plays like his personality.  Mushy

 

OL needs a complete rebuild, Offense needs RECEIVERS!  Defense needs much better coaching.  Early in the game Elam was lined up at the line ready to bump and run and stick to his guy like he is good at, when , I don't remember who, someone was yelling at him until he backed up for the 10 yrd cushion.  So tired of the Fraser 'scheme', it's soft, just like so many of our players.  I would be fine with new OC & DC.

 

 

[4th&long]

When a team just lays down like a dead dog like that in a playoff game? Just a few steps from a Super Bowl? Questions need to be asked! Coaches need to go. The players obviously do not believe in the coaches!

[MILFHUNTER#518]

9 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

I'm done trying to be optimistic. I'm done giving those who talk down the team, pick them to lose a hard time. how wrong I was, very wrong. hung on to hope, false hope that this regime was the one to get the team to the promise land. wrong again.

 

shame is, a QB with the right tools around him could very well get the team there, yet, totally screwed by a GM that hasn't a clue. JA was absolutely picked by the wrong team/franchise. what a waste of a career.

 

I agree, McD is a darn good coach but not one to reach the top and getting close year after year doesn't cut it. so darn good is not good enough, obviously.

 

you know what the real problem is, ownership. some billionaire who has no right owning a nfl franchise, none what so ever. but hey, they're stuck with him and that really sucks to have a ignorant owner who has no clue of the sport, none.

 

no, I'm going back to my days of being my total pessimistic self. no need to have hope nor be optimistic about a team/franchise that will never reach the top. what a waste of  the last 5/6 years of my sundays. sure some of it was fun to watch but at the end of the day, you get yesterdays results.

 

dome stadium, LOL. cincy didn't need a dome. so those who cried dome and now about to get one in a few years can believe all they want that it will give the team a better chance at winning games. good luck with that.

 

as many have mentioned it would take cleaning house from top to bottom and guess what, it still wont bring a championship to buffalo in my opinion. I have no real desire to give my time to the nfl over all. too old to waste time like that, with no reward.

 

time for a nice long break.

 

 

 

have a great off season!

We aren't getting a dome, the new stadium is gonna be open air.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

5 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

We aren't getting a dome, the new stadium is gonna be open air.

who's we?  open air, dome, what ever. doesn't matter it will always be the same result. but thanks for the clarification.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

5 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

who's we?  open air, dome, what ever. doesn't matter it will always be the same result. but thanks for the clarification.

We the fans of the aforementioned football team, who in conjunction with the Seneca Indian tribe are paying for the new stadium with tax dollars and stolen casino revenues.

 

I understand your frustration,  I am right there with ya bud. I cannot believe there could be this level of frustration in back to back seasons in my lifetime that rival the Super Bowl years. Yet here we are.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

We the fans of the aforementioned football team, who in conjunction with the Seneca Indian tribe are paying for the new stadium with tax dollars and stolen casino revenues.

 

I understand your frustration,  I am right there with ya bud. I cannot believe there could be this level of frustration in back to back seasons in my lifetime that rival the Super Bowl years. Yet here we are.

understood. frustration, that's putting it lightly. shame all that tax money spent on a product that does not deserve it. maybe it'll be good for some concerts or a fair of some sort. 51 years. no reward, just constant heart break year after year after year, after year.

 

take care man, I'm stepping away. as I said I'm too old and blood pressure meds only work so well and don't need the stress as there has been no reward, none.

[Mark Vader]

58 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said:

4 brutal losses.  You’re forgetting the blown 16-0 lead vs Houston

You mean the game where the back-up officials inserted themselves into a game, which they had no business of doing, and taking a special teams touchdown from us?

[BeastMaster]

I won't watch this team next season if the coaching staff isn't gutted

 

What's the point?

47 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Reading through all of the comments this morning it’s rare to see such consensus around a topic….on anything these days. We all know it. We can all see it. The Bills are simply not physical enough to beat the better teams week after week in a playoff run. And that’s on BOTH sides of the ball. 
 

The question is will management do anything about it? I, for one, doubt it. 

Then we, the fans have a choice

 

You accept that this team is what it is and support them, or you decide its not and you let them know it.

 

I know where I stand

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I won't watch this team next season if the coaching staff isn't gutted

 

What's the point?

Then we, the fans have a choice

 

You accept that this team is what it is and support them, or you decide its not and you let them know it.

 

I know where I stand

So you’re saying I should look for you in London next October? I’ll be there! I’m going to keep doing what I’ve been doing for sixty plus years, but with an ever decreasing set of expectations. (I absolutely saw that coming yesterday.)

[GunnerBill]

I am certainly not going to walk away from the team because it can't over the hump and win the Superbowl. If I sat through endless dreadful football I feel like I am owed enjoying watching us play well and win most weeks. Sure, it is frustrating that we can't get over the hump but man this is better that the dirge that we were served for so many years. Such a strange time to be done with the team. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I am certainly not going to walk away from the team because it can't over the hump and win the Superbowl. If I sat through endless dreadful football I feel like I am owed enjoying watching us play well and win most weeks. Sure, it is frustrating that we can't get over the hump but man this is better that the dirge that we were served for so many years. Such a strange time to be done with the team. 

Yeah, that wasn't the intent of this thread.

 

I'm not about to give up on the team, not after 40 years of following it.

 

But I AM given up on this regime. They had a lot of promise 2017-2019, and since have been...underwhelming.

 

[HOUSE]

House doesn't need cleaning

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Yeah, that wasn't the intent of this thread.

 

I'm not about to give up on the team, not after 40 years of following it.

 

But I AM given up on this regime. They had a lot of promise 2017-2019, and since have been...underwhelming.

 

 

I know that wasn't directed at you. My responses to you are elsewhere in the thread. I am not at the place of fire people. But I do think this is the point where this regime legitimately has used up much of the credit it gets for the job it has done so far and starts getting more scrutiny for its failure to address repeated issues. Namely: pass rush and offensive live. 

 

(I confess I am also influenced by the fact I hate the idea of giving up a 1st round pick for Sean Payton - a man who himself lost a LOT of playoff games to much less talented teams than his own - and the rest of the potential HC field this hiring season is pretty uninspiring. If the Bills don't sort out some of their issues and Ben Johnson has another year of production as OC in Detroit then I might well feel differently next year). 

Edited January 23, 2023 by GunnerBill

[4th&long]

I’m giving up. I’ve been around since the tail end of the O.J. years. 
 

I didn’t really enjoy the regular season because all that matters to me at this point is the Super Bowl. The regular season to me was just a mere formality to get back to the playoffs and finally win a Super Bowl. And to hear Matt Milano say they were flat and had no juice? ***** them! I’m supposed to cheer for that again? I got better stuff to do with my Sundays!

[Don Otreply]

IMHO, this game essentially proves our defense scheme doesn’t work against top flight teams, and the offensive scheme is on the same train.
    It also proves Leslie Frazier will never get a HCing job, and, that we need to part ways with him, great guy, his coaching scheme is not good, and has proved so for several consecutive seasons.

   As to Dorsey, he is a smart guy but is really predictable in his play calling, the tail end of the season says as much, in that lower tier teams can defend against it and we struggle to win against them by three points.  The relationship between Dorsey and Allen needs to be boss and employee, not buddies playing football, the made bomber QB silliness needs to be reigned in or thing are not going to change season to season.  We will likely have Dorsey for another season in which I can’t see anyone truly wanting him as a HC.

   Yet again the offense was essentially ignored to pump up a D that fails in the clutch moments repeatedly.

   I truly hope Terry Pegula let’s the coaches and FO know in very certain terms that they have plateaued and need to do better, especially on the O-Line and landing a better #2 WR, and slot, and that they better damn well use their draft picks early and often…,  massive waste of a prime opportunity…,  oh well, 

[gobills404]

2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

Besides Diggs, Josh and Milano I can’t think of any. I want guys that will punch you in the face for looking at them. The Bengals have a bunch of those guys (Mixon, Apple, Hilton, Hendrickson) and we have none. You don’t have to like the guys on the team. I have never seen a Mixon jersey here, but they sure as heck are happy to have him today.

Exactly. Can we trade for Mixon?

Or in Mixons case, guys who will punch you in the face for rejecting their advances. Sure you don’t have to like every player, but can we at least draw the line at dudes who assault random women in public?

Edited January 23, 2023 by gobills404

[The Frankish Reich]

7 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

But I AM given up on this regime. They had a lot of promise 2017-2019, and since have been...underwhelming.

Sometimes the team builders are not destined to take their teams to the promised land. A lot of people have mentioned Tony Dungy in recent posts, but there are others too. 

[clayboy54]

2 hours ago, BillyBilliams said:

well, they’re drafting undersized DL.  They’re drafting CB’s that are only zone players.  You can teach someone playing man to play zone, but not really the other way around.  It’s a physical scheme.  Doing this rotational bull#### in the playoffs is disgusting.  Elam missed FOUR drives because of this bull####.  Let the best players play!  That is a coaching issue.  Beane made up a good team, but he CANNOT miss on draft picks anymore.  He simply cannot.  We haven’t had a solid draft since 2018.  

Elam is a man CB.