Bengals @ Bills - Post Game Thread - January 22, 2023 - NFL Divisional Round Playoffs

[Cray51]

13 minutes ago, BananaB said:

It’s been the issue for years and the keep addressing it but don’t get results

I’ll be interested to see how Beane handles FA and the draft

[Chuck Wagon]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

There is no way you can afford to pay 2 WRs #1 money.

 

Every team in the NFL relies on a true #1 and a guy on a rookie deal. Look around and find me one team that pays 2 WRs #1 money.

 

You won't find me one because there isn't one.

 

Chargers, Bucs, Raiders, Chiefs last year. 

 

“Can’t afford” is nonsense owners want you to believe. 

[starrymessenger]

13 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

The only word I can use to describe the Bills performance today is "incompetent."

 

That was one of the most putrid defensive performances I've ever seen from a McD team, at one of the worst moments imaginable.  Dorsey trotted out the same boring vanilla BS that has barely been working since the Green Bay game. Diggs has a right to be angry, the talent on this team is being held back by poor coordinators who can't rise up to the challenge.

 

The D-Line was horrifically bad as well, what a waste of picks.

 

I've never been on the "fire the coaching staff" train but man it feels like a real shake up is needed.  Absolutely pathetic attempt at a game by the Bills. 

Fire the coaching staff

[Augie]

I’m gonna need a truck load of Mountain Dew to read all the things we should have done, and all the people who need to be fired! Don’t even get me started on all the Big Name FA’s we should sign. You know, the old guys who has a name you’ve heard. Top dollar old names!   

[Punch]

2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Not much different, the oline is the issue, those players would help but not guarantee success.

It’s true, even WR screens are dead before the ball is thrown. I think part of it is scheme but they’re never properly blocked.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

3 minutes ago, jcamm1966 said:

Give the Saints whatever they want for Payton

I love what this team has been under McDermott and we owe him a great deal of gratitude for what he’s done…that being said, if we ended up with Peyton somehow I’d be happy. Also at the same time, 0 chance

[Meatloaf63]

1 minute ago, BananaB said:

Pass was there, pass was dropped. 

One play, getting lucky on one play is not an offensive strategy. Throwing the ball long on third and two to the player who has the most drops is not a recipe for success. What do the analytics say? Which play has a better chance of success? Beasly underneath used to be almost automatic, that part of the game is gone and it’s a big reason we have been struggling. But keep dreaming the long ball will get us to the superbowl 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Our OL and RB's showed the ability every time they were given the chance to run and run well.  They hurried Allen because they were blitzing DB's offf the edge.  Something we seldom do, much like running the ball.  I'm not saying Dawkins and Brown were great but they weren't the overall problem.

I saw our O line beaten off the ball on almost half of Allen's drop backs.  Remember the big Bengal DT that had a free rush right up the gut? The O line also had two holding calls on it. And I didn't think we ran the ball well today.  My guess is that during the season our big runs were due  more to teams focusing on Allen & Diggs then our innate ability to run the ball.

 

 

[ngbills]

5 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Not much different, the oline is the issue, those players would help but not guarantee success.

It does help when the defense did not have to worry at all about your running backs. At least with McCaffrey teams would have to take him into account.

[CSBill]

Our first bad, non-competitive game of the year.

 

Bad timing for that.

 

But "thank you" Josh and all, with all the adversity this year, it's amazing you had 14 wins. Much to build on, and some things to fix.

 

When is the draft?

[Yobogoya!]

1 minute ago, Maine-iac said:

Tell that to Belichick.  You need good coaches on both sides of the ball.  It doesn't matter with OC or DC for coach.

Yeah Belichick is an extreme outlier in that he’s historically micro managed both sides of the ball. Plus sans Brady he’s hardly a coach you would point to as being extremely successful, eh? 
 

And I’m also not saying DC’s have never had success nor won Super Bowls. But this is an offense driven league and you have a decisive advantage if you’ve got a strong OC who can’t be poached because he’s the guy in charge. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

4 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

All I know is Dan Quinn is absolutely schooling Kyle Shannhan today the right coordinator means a lot staffing changes are just a start 

In order to really turn this defense around you’d need to find a former HC that is looking for a way back. A defensive specialist like we had with Schwartz. The problem is our HC is a former DC and this guy is going to want to keep the thing looking a certain way. I want an overhaul of the Defensive philosophy from top to bottom and I want Fraizer gone tomorrow 

[Gunsgoodtime]

58 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:

Yeah I think so. His D can work with pressure but it hasn’t materialized, which is Beane’s fault.

So you’re now forced to find a D scheme that can work with the players we have rather than getting the best DC and trying to force our pieces to work in their scheme. Forcing bad/good pieces into good/bad schemes was the recipe during the drought years.

I just don't see a good outcome with it.  I think we failed on the DL and it will negatively effect us on both ends.  Coaching and Talent

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

In order to really turn this defense around you’d need to find a former HC that is looking for a way back. A defensive specialist like we had with Schwartz. The problem is our HC is a former DC and this guy is going to want to keep the thing looking a certain way. I want an overhaul of the Defensive philosophy from top to bottom and I want Fraizer gone tomorrow 

Schwartz was good but even he had a CB driven defense.  When we had injuries at CB Schwartz had problems.  He would have had problems keeping this defense together this year.  We needed White to be White and Poyer to be Poyer and some others to step up.  

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

Chargers, Bucs, Raiders, Chiefs last year. 

 

“Can’t afford” is nonsense owners want you to believe. 

 

The Chiefs literally let Hill walk because they wouldn't pay him. Chiefs didn't even have a WR with a $5 million cap hit this year. MVS was the highest at $4.8 million. Not them.

 

The Raiders top 2 WRs made had a cap hit of $16 million combined this year. Nope, not them.

 

Chargers yes...Bucs yes. Look what happened to them.

 

The correct model is an elite 1st rounder on a rookie deal paired with a legit high priced #1.

[Meatloaf63]

6 minutes ago, ngbills said:

It does help when the defense did not have to worry at all about your running backs. At least with McCaffrey teams would have to take him into account.

He wouldn’t look half as good running behind our line or the crappy running blocking schemes we employ…

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Just now, Maine-iac said:

Schwartz was good but even he had a CB driven defense.  When we had injuries at CB Schwartz had problems.  He would have had problems keeping this defense together this year.  We needed White to be White and Poyer to be Poyer and some others to step up.  

Poyer is gone, white looks like a #2 now and this defense is going to look very different personnel wise next year 

[Turbo44]

7 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Our first bad, non-competitive game of the year.

 

Bad timing for that.

 

But "thank you" Josh and all, with all the adversity this year, it's amazing you had 14 wins. Much to build on, and some things to fix.

 

When is the draft?

I’m not here for morale victories. 

[buffalobillswin]

Two things we should all agree on

 

1. The Bengals would have kicked our asses in week 17

2. The Dolphins would have won last week with a healthy Tua

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Poyer is gone, white looks like a #2 now and this defense is going to look very different personnel wise next year 

I hope it does because the stats on this defense is fools gold. This defense can't stop a playoff offense. 

[Process]

I'm sad.

[Green Lightning]

36 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Yes they did because we have not focused on the O line and skill players.  I live in Cincinnati and they have pushed more resources to their offense then they have their defense.  The game was lost today in the 1st quarter when the Bengals OFFENSE had two 75 yard plus TD drives to go up 14 - 0.  The rest of the game was window dressing.

 

 

And our Defense was pathetic. Burrow had all day to throw. Gotta have both.

[Maine-iac]

2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

He wouldn’t look half as good running behind our line or the crappy running blocking schemes we employ…

So many people implying we can't run the ball.  We can and did run the ball in any or every game we TRIED to run.  You can't run the ball 3 or 4 times and call that a failed running game.  It's not the OL or the RB's.   I'm not calling the OL or RB's all stars but we don't have rushing numbers because we don't run the ball.  We are predictable and Allen gets hit a lot because we pass a lot and everyone knows where to find him.  The only reason we score as much as we do is because teams can't stop him altogether but we only do two things, throw deep or throw for 8 to 10.  In any given half you could count the runs or short throws on one hand.

[PayDaBill$]

3 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said:

Two things we should all agree on

 

1. The Bengals would have kicked our asses in week 17

2. The Dolphins would have won last week with a healthy Tua

This is 1000% true and to disagree is being blinded by loyalty or completely dishonest with yourself.

[78thealltimegreat]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I hope it does because the stats on this defense is fools gold. This defense can't stop a playoff offense. 

I’ll tell you what this defense gets inflated numbers on backup QBs and bad offenses. All the money they stuck on the defensive side of the ball and every big game when they need a stop they don’t get it 

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, Green Lightning said:

And our Defense was pathetic. Burrow had all day to throw. Gotta have both.

I don't disagree but IMO the biggest issue with the defense is the coaching and scheme while the biggest issue with the offense are the lack of above average players complementing Diggs & Allen.

 

 

[Dan in Owego]

How many elite defensive players do the bengals have? Got to support Josh however we can, weapons, line, system whatever it takes to help him.

[somnus00]

2 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

This is unexcusable.  Not even considering we have one of the best qbs to ever play football.  Coaching needs to address the Offense heavy in the draft or they should be on the hot seat.  They obviously can not evaluate the DL well.  We should have the #1 DL in the league based off our draft capital and FA contracts spent.  They are somehow garbage.  Stop with it.  Just stop with the Defensive draft and FA signings.  It has absolutely failed to this point

Coach Washington has done nothing to develop the d line.

[newcam2012]

4 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said:

Two things we should all agree on

 

1. The Bengals would have kicked our asses in week 17

2. The Dolphins would have won last week with a healthy Tua

Two absolutes here. The Bengals gave us a little taste of what was to come in that Monday night game. They must have been salivating to beat down the Bills. They are a much better team rhan the Bills. Next year the Bills will have their hands full in the division. I think the window for this team is closing fast. 

[Heels20X6]

16 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

In order to really turn this defense around you’d need to find a former HC that is looking for a way back. A defensive specialist like we had with Schwartz. The problem is our HC is a former DC and this guy is going to want to keep the thing looking a certain way. I want an overhaul of the Defensive philosophy from top to bottom and I want Fraizer gone tomorrow 

Give me Frank Reich as OC and Vic Fangio as DC then!

[BillzFreak]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I hope it does because the stats on this defense is fools gold. This defense can't stop a playoff offense. 

It's Frasiers mindset and it's bad. He plays his defense scared. We don't throw anything exotic out there for a team to even consider a problem. We can have the best defense in the league for all we know but he plays so timid it's frustrating. So scared to get beat deep he rather let Burrow take all the easy throws which he can make 99% of the time instead of trying different looks to at least make him put a ball over the top which is harder to do in the weather we had today. 

[Iverwig]

🤔 Milano says the team lacked energy. SMH 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Dan in Owego said:

How many elite defensive players do the bengals have? Got to support Josh however we can, weapons, line, system whatever it takes to help him.

Bingo.  The Bengals went out and signed one big time defender the last 2 years while they threw all sorts of money and draft capital at offensive linemen and skill players. 

 

As fans we are deluding ourselves if we think anything less then a 180 degree turn around won't stem the decline that will see us barely win half our games next season.  The answer is simple:  fire Frazier and replace him with a DC that understands that defense is 2nd to the offense and throw all available money and draft capital at the offense.

 

 

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said:

Give me Frank Reich as OC and Vic Fangio as DC then!

I’d take Vic Fangio before we go to bed tonight. Unfortunately won’t happen and it will be more wasted time with Fraizer 

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:

It's Frasiers mindset and it's bad. He plays his defense scared. We don't throw anything exotic out there for a team to even consider a problem. We can have the best defense in the league for all we know but he plays so timid it's frustrating. So scared to get beat deep he rather let Burrow take all the easy throws which he can make 99% of the time instead of trying different looks to at least make him put a ball over the top which is harder to do in the weather we had today. 

I like the way KC plays defense.  Sure they get beat on big plays and at times teams go up and down the field on them but their theory seems to be that we're going to play aggressive and take chances which will create a TO and a couple of 3 and outs that our offense will feast on. And if we do get into a shoot out we have the best shoot out offense in the NFL.

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloBaumer]

Oddly enough, I am less upset about this loss than I have been over any other regular season loss over the last two years. They just played that badly and it made me realize that they would’ve had no chance going any further anyway.

[Meatloaf63]

8 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

So many people implying we can't run the ball.  We can and did run the ball in any or every game we TRIED to run.  You can't run the ball 3 or 4 times and call that a failed running game.  It's not the OL or the RB's.   I'm not calling the OL or RB's all stars but we don't have rushing numbers because we don't run the ball.  We are predictable and Allen gets hit a lot because we pass a lot and everyone knows where to find him.  The only reason we score as much as we do is because teams can't stop him altogether but we only do two things, throw deep or throw for 8 to 10.  In any given half you could count the runs or short throws on one hand.

There were games we were able to run, but you are probably right, we don’t commit to truly establishing the run. So knowing that would we have changed our philosophy for one player? Who knows???

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Iverwig said:

🤔 Milano says the team lacked energy. SMH 

 

Exactly what I said. They were emotionally and mentally spent. That manifests physically last, but when it does it looks like an all out collapse.

 

Allen echoed it saying "We just didn't have it today"

[Best Williams Available]

19 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

I just don't see a good outcome with it.  I think we failed on the DL and it will negatively effect us on both ends.  Coaching and Talent

Maybe these guys are studs (some of em like Oliver and Groot) in a similar but different scheme? We get rid of 3-4 other pieces and trade for young equivalents that better fit the new scheme. I’m not an X and O guy but it’s not an impossibility. All I know is we spent a lot on DL with no impact.

[Dan in Owego]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Bingo.  The Bengals went out and signed one big time defender the last 2 years while they threw all sorts of money and draft capital at offensive linemen and skill players. 

 

As fans we are deluding ourselves if we think anything less then a 180 degree turn around won't stem the decline that will see us barely win half our games next season.  The answer is simple:  fire Frazier and replace him with a DC that understands that defense is 2nd to the offense and throw all available money and draft capital at the offense.

 

 

 

Exactly we have been gifted Josh Allen, he is the franchise every move we make must be about helping him.