Warriorspikes51 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: I don’t think so. Just look how they construct their roster. They’re missing the bigger possession WR. It was Watkins and then JuJu. Sky Moore is not that player. He’s more of a Hardman replacement. I'd expect them to trade for a cheaper option or draft a player to fill that void. With Reid's mind and Mahomes arm....any number of middle of the road options can come in and be very productive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Just now, Bigvinny said: Except picks, KC has like 12 picks maybe it doesn't matter just looking at every angle. Our picks are higher in each rd though. Our 2nd is worth more than theirs, our 3rd etc. They do have more late rounders but i cant imagine that is going to make the difference in a trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If we trade them a player, seems more likely it would be Oliver. AZ is in desperate need of D-line help and he'd be 10M off our books Basham is probably also appealing. To them they’d probably view Basham as an extra 3rd who’s ready to contribute now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hsker4life said: You wouldn’t have to “sell the future” to acquire Hopkins. Not even close. This. Hopkins would be the final piece added to the core of Von, Hyde, Poyer and White. It’s a 2 season (I expect Hyde to be extended) Super Bowl run with them, along with Diggs in his prime, before we likely see quite a bit of roster retooling. Beane starts trading RD1 & RD2 picks for mega contracts and doing massive void years, then sure, future be damned, but we aren’t remotely close to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Arizona is in a re-set year with new management and Murray an unknown. They’re trying to clean up their cap too. They have zero interest in Oliver as essentially a one-year player. They’re taking DL at pick 3 in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Me, waking up and remembering we’re about to trade for Dhop. Me, after checking my phone and finding no Dhop under the tree 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Just now, Airseven said: Arizona is in a re-set year with new management and Murray an unknown. They’re trying to clean up their cap too. They have zero interest in Oliver as essentially a one-year player. They’re taking DL at pick 3 in the draft. Normally I’d agree, but they have nobody on their DL. Oliver would be a huge addition for them and he fits their scheme. They still can spend R1 on a DE as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Airseven said: Arizona is in a re-set year with new management and Murray an unknown. They’re trying to clean up their cap too. They have zero interest in Oliver as essentially a one-year player. They’re taking DL at pick 3 in the draft. IMO Oliver is perfect for them fo rthe reason you state. No cap charge after one year, they can let him walk. Provides solid play and then no commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Basham is probably also appealing. To them they’d probably view Basham as an extra 3rd who’s ready to contribute now. I would hate the Basham pick less if we used it to acquire Dhop haha 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bigvinny said: Except picks, KC has like 12 picks maybe it doesn't matter just looking at every angle. KC can probably offer a better trade package, unless we entertain moving Davis, but they only have 5M in cap. That’s after their restructures. I know they can surely find a way to get the money, but they’ve won Super Bowls without handicapping themselves a ton in future years (as have we, minus the Super Bowls) … not sure they want to start doing that now. Edited March 24, 2023 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: KC can probably offer a better trade package, but they only have 5M in cap. That’s after some restructures. I know they can surely find a way to get the money, but they’ve won Super Bowls without handicapping themselves a ton in future years (as have we, minus the Super Bowls) … not sure they want to start doing that now. Not sure where he got 12 picks from, I show these as KC's picks if I am missing any I hope he corrects: No. 31 overall (Round 1) No. 63 overall (Round 2) No. 95 overall (Round 3) No. 122 overall (Round 4) No. 134 overall (Round 4) No. 166 overall (Round 5) No. 178 overall (Round 6) No. 217 overall (Round 6) No. 249 overall (Round 7) No. 250 overall (Round 7) So they have an extra 4th 6th and 7th, not really any difference makers (trade wise) Edited March 24, 2023 by Bray Wyatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 If Beane don’t get it done and the Chiefs get Hopkins we might as well start preparing for a couple years down the road to make another push. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said: Not sure where he got 12 picks from, I show these as KC's picks if I am missing any I hope he corrects: No. 31 overall (Round 1) No. 63 overall (Round 2) No. 95 overall (Round 3) No. 122 overall (Round 4) No. 134 overall (Round 4) No. 166 overall (Round 5) No. 178 overall (Round 6) No. 217 overall (Round 6) No. 249 overall (Round 7) No. 250 overall (Round 7) So they have an extra 4th 6th and 7th, not really any difference makers (trade wise) That’s reportedly where the trade is going to be centered around … Day 3 picks. Reporters saying it will likely look more like the Cooks/Dallas trade. The kicker is probably how high of a pick(s) do we need to go in order to have AZ eat as much of the cap hit this year as they can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Just now, SCBills said: That’s reportedly where the trade is going to be centered around … Day 3 picks. Reporters saying it will likely look more like the Cooks/Dallas trade. The kicker is probably how high of a pick(s) do we need to go in order to have AZ eat as much of the cap hit this year as they can. I would do a 3rd and a player (but thats me and may be high comparatively) but it would be to make sure we get him I think its worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, H2o said: They have a bunch of shorter WR's. I have a feeling they'd more likely be interested in Davis. Makes sense. Could be the case. I just see this is as a tank year for them. They have Gabe cheap during a tank season and then have to pay him next year. Shakir is getting under 1M per for 3 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Hopkins for Ed Oliver + day 3 pick. How convenient!🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I'd expect them to trade for a cheaper option or draft a player to fill that void. With Reid's mind and Mahomes arm....any number of middle of the road options can come in and be very productive Andy Friggin Reid gets what he wants. Not afraid of the big move, getting rid of a player or bringing one in. Ed Oliver better be traded or extended. If you don’t want him then trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If we trade them a player, seems more likely it would be Oliver. AZ is in desperate need of D-line help and he'd be 10M off our books I hear ya. Makes some sense. Similar to my reasoning for Gabe- both are FA after this season. Zero years of control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I am ok with trading picks for Hopkins. I prefer Hopkins over OBJ or drafting a WR in the first round. He will have a big year if he comes to Buffalo. I could see the Bills having three receivers at +1,000 yards. Hasn't been done since 2008, but doable. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Airseven said: Hopkins for Ed Oliver + day 3 pick. How convenient!🤣 What would you suggest / offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: What would you suggest / offer I actually think that’s a bad trade for us, they’d have Eddy longer than we have Hopkins Edited March 24, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: Phoenix House Its currently for sale Darnit, doesnt come with wifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Airseven said: Hopkins for Ed Oliver + day 3 pick. How convenient!🤣 You, contributing nothing but negativity to the board- how typical 🙄 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I actually think that’s a bad trade for us, they’d have Eddy longer than we have Hopkins if they extended Ed, it would also help with the $ and perhaps AZ would rather do that than retain $ of Hopkins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 46 minutes ago, Mark92 said: Sounds like Beane is in at a certain price. He won't put this franchise in a tough spot. Just have to make it work for Arizona and D. Hop. This might be the one exception. I think he wants this and he knows he can't let the Chiefs get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I need to check this page every 3 hours. Once every 10 minutes is stressing me out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 if kc gets hopkins....i'm going to have to avoid this place for a week......the doom and gloom crowd will be unbearable 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Just now, Bills!Win! said: I need to check this page every 3 hours. Once every 10 minutes is stressing me out Yeah but then you have to sift through like 12 pages of crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Let’s put this in perspective. Cap wise DHop would only be $4.8million cap hit after converting base into bonus. Ed Oliver is $10.7 million. Basically you have about $6 million cap moving out Oliver and bringing in DHop!! You can probably sign 2 DTs. I think Matt Ioannadis would be a great cheaper signing. Maybe even less than the comp pick qualifier. Re-sign Jordan Phillips. Add a draft pick. You’re going to get similar production from DTs. You’ll still have some left over to sign a veteran pass rusher like Justin Houston or Melvin Ingram. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, papazoid said: if kc gets hopkins....i'm going to have to avoid this place for a week......the doom and gloom crowd will be unbearable If KC gets Hopkins for a 4th and a 5th and the Jets sign OBJ for 5 million, this message board will burn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, papazoid said: if kc gets hopkins....i'm going to have to avoid this place for a week......the doom and gloom crowd will be unbearable a week?? try all spring. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, papazoid said: if kc gets hopkins....i'm going to have to avoid this place for a week......the doom and gloom crowd will be unbearable No doubt. Such a tough time to stay away from the board though- the month leading up to the draft is key. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 7 hours ago, NewEra said: I’d be happy with Johnson. Haven’t watched much Miller yet. Take a peak. Dude looks good. Moves quick for a fairly large guy. 5’11” at 215. I think he’s got it to be an every down back in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I'm just gonna say this: At this point, if Hopkins goes to another team for a reasonable price it's going to be a major condemnation of Beane. Say what you will about resource management, the offense needs another star caliber player, badly. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Let’s put this in perspective. Cap wise DHop would only be $4.8million cap hit after converting base into bonus. Ed Oliver is $10.7 million. Basically you have about $6 million cap moving out Oliver and bringing in DHop!! You can probably sign 2 DTs. I think Matt Ioannadis would be a great cheaper signing. Maybe even less than the comp pick qualifier. Re-sign Jordan Phillips. Add a draft pick. You’re going to get similar production from DTs. You’ll still have some left over to sign a veteran pass rusher like Justin Houston or Melvin Ingram. I don’t want Jordan Phillips for anything more than the minimum. Dude can OT be counted on to be healthy. Ever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, SCBills said: KC can probably offer a better trade package, unless we entertain moving Davis, but they only have 5M in cap. That’s after their restructures. I know they can surely find a way to get the money, but they’ve won Super Bowls without handicapping themselves a ton in future years (as have we, minus the Super Bowls) … not sure they want to start doing that now. I’m not involving Davis in any deal for DH 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, inaugural balls said: I’m not involving Davis in any deal for DH Or Shakir. I would rather give up a Boogie and /or a 2024 pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 38 minutes ago, NewEra said: I would suspect that we’d trade him because he’s the only guy that aZ would want, other than picks. Makes sense It’s almost like you’re suggesting that sometimes you have to give up something of value to get something of value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: I don’t want Jordan Phillips for anything more than the minimum. Dude can OT be counted on to be healthy. Ever Personally, I’d love to remake the DT room with some big bodies. Trade Oliver and get some space eaters. Maybe we do take a LB early, but if it’s Bernard, we’d have two undersized LB’s on a team that plays base nickel. I want the middle of our DL just plugging holes and pushing the pocket back. We can get pressure with Von, Rousseau and hopefully a veteran EDGE, along with blitzing Bernard (or whoever) and Milano. I don’t know that there’s a pass rushing DT available where we draft.. maybe that guy Benton our Bills podcasters like.. so just get big and strong up front. Edited March 24, 2023 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: I don’t want Jordan Phillips for anything more than the minimum. Dude can OT be counted on to be healthy. Ever Just an option. There are many veteran DTs with starting experience available. I would prefer A’Shawn Robinson. Poona Ford is another name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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