How much nickel do we play Sunday?

[TBBills Fan]

This is for all the D-coordinators and critics. 

 

How much nickel do we play Sunday?

 

Please feel free to add what formations and/or personal you would like to see Sunday. 

 

I'd also love to hear opinions on how much you think we will play AND how much you would like to see us play

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by TBBills Fan

[NewEra]

70% minimum.  

[GETTOTHE50]

its gonna be 110%. they will probably still be in nickel on the goal line when its 4 & inches

Edited November 18, 2022 by GETTOTHE50
mispelled nickel

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Depends on how healthy the linebackers are…if we’re missing one of edmunds and Milano it seems the coaching staff would rather have taron johnson out there than another one of the linebackers down the depth chart 

[MJS]

What is the normal percentage?

[TBBills Fan]

18 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Depends on how healthy the linebackers are…if we’re missing one of edmunds and Milano it seems the coaching staff would rather have taron johnson out there than another one of the linebackers down the depth chart 

That's a good point.  If Edmund and Milano play, we have Klein, so I'd hope they use that group a bit more when Cleveland tries running down our throat

 

14 minutes ago, MJS said:

What is the normal percentage?

That's a great question.  I went to NFL.com to try and find that number/percentage, but couldn't. If anyone happens to have that, please add it.  

 

 

According to google it seems like we played nickel 90.3% of the time in 2021....that's all I could find

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LeGOATski]

I'd love to see Edmunds, Milano, and Dodson out there for the majority of early downs, but I assume the Bills will remain in a 4-2 90% of the time.

[TBBills Fan]

8 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I'd love to see Edmunds, Milano, and Dodson out there for the majority of early downs, but I assume the Bills will remain in a 4-2 90% of the time.

I think Klein gets on the field before Dodson

 

I can't believe I'm even replying to this after I look up and see the screen name LeGOATski🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

 

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

I think Klein gets on the field before Dodson

 

I can't believe I'm even replying to this after I look up and see the screen name LeGOATski🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

 

Maybe, I was away while Klein got claimed, so I missed that. Same difference.

 

 

Wait.... Are you John Wawrow in disguise???

[GoBills808]

45 minutes ago, MJS said:

What is the normal percentage?

100% basically

[TBBills Fan]

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

Maybe, I was away while Klein got claimed, so I missed that. Same difference.

 

 

Wait.... Are you John Wawrow in disguise??

Bahahha no, but I am in sales just like him! Lol

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Until they figure out how to use Taron Johnson in base then it’ll always be high nickel percentage.

 

 

 

 

[newcam2012]

15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

100% basically

Agree even if Chubb runs for 200 yards and 3 TDs Fraizer will still have the Bills in the nickel defense. 

[LABILLBACKER]

We're going to nickel & dime them to death. 

[mrags]

33 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

100% basically

Naw. They run Dime sometimes too 

[TBBills Fan]

I mean we are facing Jacobi Brissett and Cleveland certainly is fielding a passing powerhouse, right?

[newcam2012]

46 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

I mean we are facing Jacobi Brissett and Cleveland certainly is fielding a passing powerhouse, right?

I hear you but Cooper can certainly burn the Bills. Peoples can get some big plays too. It's not like the Bills aren't missing Hyde, Poyer, and Tre. Don't kid yourself injuries have made this Bills defense beatable. Add in a banged up Edmunds and Milano not practicing. The injuries are taking its toll. The Packers pounded the Bills with the run, the Jets ran 8 straight times from their 6 yard line in a 4th quarter critical drive, and Jefferson destroyed the Bills while Cook rattled off an 81 yard TD. Not to mention how many 3rd and 4th and longs were converted by the opposition. Folks, lets see the defense for what it is. Due to injuries, this team is a shell of itself. No one should feel confident the Bills D can stop Chubb. Heck, Zack Wilson bottom tier QB made enough plays to win. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by newcam2012

[Motorin']

I say we primarily play the 6-3-3 that we invented against the Vikings. Best chance to shut Chubb down.

[Italian Bills]

Looking at the problems we had defending the runs, maybe it would be smart change something in order to contain Chubb. 
 

Less Nickel, more 4-3 maybe, something like 50-50 or 60-40. 
 

 

[LeGOATski]

57 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

I say we primarily play the 6-3-3 that we invented against the Vikings. Best chance to shut Chubb down.

[gtw3]

Nickel almost the whole game because we will be up by 2+ scores throughout 

[John from Riverside]

Well, now that we have Klein will see

[CSBill]

5 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I'd love to see Edmunds, Milano, and Dodson out there for the majority of early downs, but I assume the Bills will remain in a 4-2 90% of the time.

 

I would love this, and move T Johnson to a Safety type of role while Poyer is still out.

[RocCityRoller]

With the current rate of inflation we will transition to the dime.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:

Bahahha no, but I am in sales just like him! Lol

You sell BS too? Wow; 😄

[damj]

All nickel, all the time.

[Bob in STL]

Pretty much all nickel with exception of short yardage packages.  

[birdo67]

12 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

its gonna be 110%. they will probably still be in nickel on the goal line when its 4 & inches

Also misspelled misspelled in your edit, which is pretty perfect.

[boyst]

Klein in on run downs, Milano to cover. Play nickel.

[GETTOTHE50]

4 hours ago, birdo67 said:

Also misspelled misspelled in your edit, which is pretty perfect.

only way to spell it 

[frostbitmic]

They'll run the same nickel defense they always do. Change doesn't come easy.

 

With Edmunds out, I'd like to see a 5-1-5 defense.

 

        Lawson... Jones ... Phillips ... Oliver ... Miller

                                            

[27yanks]

I say go 5-2-4 until they prove they can beat the D with passing. Or go up early by 30 and hold on to win by 3. 

[TBBills Fan]

14 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

You sell BS too? Wow; 😄

 

 

Sometimes!  Depends on the buyer. Ha ha

3 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

They'll run the same nickel defense they always do. Change doesn't come easy.

 

With Edmunds out, I'd like to see a 5-1-5 defense.

 

        Lawson... Jones ... Phillips ... Oliver ... Miller

                                            

 

2 hours ago, 27yanks said:

I say go 5-2-4 until they prove they can beat the D with passing. Or go up early by 30 and hold on to win by 3. 

 

 

I wouldn't mind seeing either or both

[DrPJax]

On 11/18/2022 at 2:15 AM, newcam2012 said:

I hear you but Cooper can certainly burn the Bills. Peoples can get some big plays too. It's not like the Bills aren't missing Hyde, Poyer, and Tre. Don't kid yourself injuries have made this Bills defense beatable. Add in a banged up Edmunds and Milano not practicing. The injuries are taking its toll. The Packers pounded the Bills with the run, the Jets ran 8 straight times from their 6 yard line in a 4th quarter critical drive, and Jefferson destroyed the Bills while Cook rattled off an 81 yard TD. Not to mention how many 3rd and 4th and longs were converted by the opposition. Folks, lets see the defense for what it is. Due to injuries, this team is a shell of itself. No one should feel confident the Bills D can stop Chubb. Heck, Zack Wilson bottom tier QB made enough plays to win. 

     All really valid points and it’s the reality of a 6-3 team.   Throw in the lack of practice this week , a terrible red zone offense, a team unable to adjust enough to score any tds after half for 3 games, a ROOKIE OC whose tendencies are being exposed , Allen in an int slump while also dealing with an elbow issue, WR’s other than Diggs underperforming and Knox also not producing as expected , an inconsistent almost nonexistent run game from the backs who also struggle with ball security issues, our inability to find much use for Hines after trading for him, add in a D line that still struggles to actually get sacks on players like Wilson and Cousins that results in those  long distance down conversions you mentioned, and I wouldn’t be shocked if Cleveland makes enough big run plays to pull off an upset. 
 

     We didn’t get to 6-3, being 3 rd inthe east and 0-2 in the division by being an unbeatable team.  This team, as it now stands , is no where near the team that started the season, and a big part of that is missing Hyde and White unexpectedly from the backfield. This d can’t be.counted on to hold leads currently and I expect Frazier to run the same packages as always despite facing Chubb because of the lack of practice time.  Cleveland just has to stick with their run game and the Bills have shown they will blow gap coverage at some point as Frazier’s scheme repeatedly ends up with 7 guys responsible for 8 gaps,  if you have seen and buy into the good analysis by cover1. 
 

     The Bills are facing an unexpected challenge and to win they have to correct all the offensive production woes regarding their  second half slump and red zone miseries, while also trying to stop the top back in  the league  with an error prone defensive squad riddled with injuries.  It would be a huge confidence builder and spring board for the remainder of the season if they turn all this around and get back to looking like the team that began the season. If anybody can pull this off, I would bet McD could, so it will be interesting to see how he does. IMO, it’s hard to see this as a blowout win a lot of fans are predicting. Any win given all that is going on would be fantastic. Go Bills. 😊

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, DrPJax said:

     All really valid points and it’s the reality of a 6-3 team.   Throw in the lack of practice this week , a terrible red zone offense, a team unable to adjust enough to score any tds after half for 3 games, a ROOKIE OC whose tendencies are being exposed , Allen in an int slump while also dealing with an elbow issue, WR’s other than Diggs underperforming and Knox also not producing as expected , an inconsistent almost nonexistent run game from the backs who also struggle with ball security issues, our inability to find much use for Hines after trading for him, add in a D line that still struggles to actually get sacks on players like Wilson and Cousins that results in those  long distance down conversions you mentioned, and I wouldn’t be shocked if Cleveland makes enough big run plays to pull off an upset. 
 

     We didn’t get to 6-3, being 3 rd inthe east and 0-2 in the division by being an unbeatable team.  This team, as it now stands , is no where near the team that started the season, and a big part of that is missing Hyde and White unexpectedly from the backfield. This d can’t be.counted on to hold leads currently and I expect Frazier to run the same packages as always despite facing Chubb because of the lack of practice time.  Cleveland just has to stick with their run game and the Bills have shown they will blow gap coverage at some point as Frazier’s scheme repeatedly ends up with 7 guys responsible for 8 gaps,  if you have seen and buy into the good analysis by cover1. 
 

     The Bills are facing an unexpected challenge and to win they have to correct all the offensive production woes regarding their  second half slump and red zone miseries, while also trying to stop the top back in  the league  with an error prone defensive squad riddled with injuries.  It would be a huge confidence builder and spring board for the remainder of the season if they turn all this around and get back to looking like the team that began the season. If anybody can pull this off, I would bet McD could, so it will be interesting to see how he does. IMO, it’s hard to see this as a blowout win a lot of fans are predicting. Any win given all that is going on would be fantastic. Go Bills. 😊

Read every word of your post. It was very well thought out and accurate. What I thoroughly enjoyed was the blunt honesty and realistic view of the team and it's coaches. Well done!!!👍

[Pete]

are you sitting Taron?

[Dr.Sack]

We shouldn’t be in our base nickel defense if Browns have run heavy personnel. We should mirror size with size and look to overwhelm their front and dare them to pass. 

[benderbender]

We no longer have the personnel to run the same defense that featured Hyde and Edmunds. I would have greater respect for Frazier if he was able to adapt the scheme to the personnel than trying to do the opposite.