Doc Brown Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 3 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: It’s a stupid stupid play. Mind boggling stupid. A QB sneak should never be attempted on your own goaline. Especially with the personnel we have. It’s why I’m officially done with McD/Dorsey. You have a 250 pound 6 foot 5 quarterback and you have had zero problems with snaps between him and Morse all game and maybe the season? It's the safest play you could do with the least likelihood of taking a safety. Allen blew it in the worst possible way but you have to trust your 43 million dollar man to handle the snap cleanly. Allen absolutely choked but it was the right call. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Beast said: I don’t know if the sneak was the proper call. Why? Because we arguably have the worst interior line in the league. What is the proper call there? I’m not sure. Maybe a quick pitch to the outside? A greater chance for a loss and a safety but the Bills had some success today outside running the ball. Maybe a quick pass from the shotgun? Honestly I was saying throw the ball. Possibly early in the season they throw it. Maybe coaches lost a little confidence in Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisele Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 The big problem I see is that we are doing the Gabe push way too often. The defense knew when we were going to snap the ball because Davis stopped behind Josh. Dorsey isn't calling anything different week to week and defenses have figured us out. Dorsey is new and I expect this from him. McDermott is not and he has veto power. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 If you can't get the snap right, it doesn't matter what the play was. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 It was the right call, but how about a hard count when you know the defense is gonna jump the snap? Worst case, the ball gets moved back 6 inches and you do it again. At this point, it’s really hard to have any faith that our coaching staff can do what it needs to do to finish games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 The context is how bad the OL is. Allen knows they’re about to get blown back and you can see it coming as soon as the lines form up for the snap. Allen panics and presses. It’s happened time and time again. The question is: why QB sneak it when you know you have no leverage, no push from the OL? Should have been some kind of rollout (shotgun?) where Allen has the chance to run for a couple yards or throw it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 10 hours ago, John Gianelli said: Why not roll out Josh? If he's sure he can gain a yard or two, let him run. If he thinks he'll get sacked, throw the ball away. Now that the pain has subsided a little I’ve come around to the sneak…I don’t think we had ever been stopped on a traditional qb sneak up to that point in the josh Allen era and now you add in the fact that he can get pushed from behind. the rollout SHOULDVE been riskier but of course we all have the power of hindsight now lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, without a drought said: If you can't get the snap right, it doesn't matter what the play was. ^^^ This is all that needs to be said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, LabattBlue said: ^^^ This is all that needs to be said. Yep…a rollout you’ve got the same snap risk and you’re risking ints too imo. Unfortunately we had two 100 to 1 miracle plays go against us this game Of course it never should’ve come to that though Edited November 14, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 10 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Johnston is a complete moron for even suggesting it. Johnston is a complete moron even if he doesn't suggest it. What an awful broadcast team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, without a drought said: If you can't get the snap right, it doesn't matter what the play was. Clear difference between Allen rushing a snap where he knows he has to burrow forward behind a blown up line vs. a snap where he can move back and away from pressure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I don’t think we had ever been stopped on a traditional qb sneak up to that point in the josh Allen era The MNF game last year at Tennessee on fourth down and a yard to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 8 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I’m officially done with McD/Dorsey. Just wondering, is there an office, like the County Clerk's Office, where you have to record that you're done in order for it to be "official"? Otherwise you could just revoke it or deny it and then what's the point? Maybe it's like the Putative Father Registry (yes, there really is such a thing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocoboy Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 The thinking man would have burned a delay of game (what do you lose, 3 inches?) and tried like hell to draw them Offside. You get them to jump, you win. Plain and simple. If that ends up failing, I guess you stick with the same play you ran anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBuffalo Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 10 hours ago, GoBills808 said: It's really tough when you can't reliably win short yardage situations on offense This is the most concerning issue IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ned Flanders said: The MNF game last year at Tennessee on fourth down and a yard to go. I don’t think that was a designed sneak but I’ll check it out again cuz a couple people have said that…looked like a different play where josh had the option of calling his own number Edited November 14, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 10 hours ago, Beast said: I don’t know if the sneak was the proper call. Why? Because we arguably have the worst interior line in the league. Yup. Maybe strait up worst OL in the league. Is Dawkins supposed to be good? All i've seen of him the last 3 games or so is being an example of how not to play OL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 8 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I thought it was the correct call. Just horrible execution and a complete choke job. Better days ahead. Yeah, I don't have an issue with the playcall. It's been working all year and it's the only thing resembling a consistent short yardage play that they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, Airseven said: Clear difference between Allen rushing a snap where he knows he has to burrow forward behind a blown up line vs. a snap where he can move back and away from pressure. No one was being asked to do anything that isn't basic fundamentals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I just think a snap from the shotgun spreads a defense out more and gives a better opportunity, whether Allen or the RB carry the ball or a pass. That Minnesota defense was stacked over center. Yes, maybe they don’t get caught for a safety with a clean exchange. I’m just not betting on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliemets Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I am haunted by something I said yesterday just before the snap. We're relieved by the stand on 4th and goal. My daughter says "Thank God this is over". She's 31 and loves sports and especially sports movies. I told her. They are on their own 1 with 40 seconds left. Haven't you seen "All the Right Moves?" She said no, One of the rare films she hasn't seen. After the play I told "Well....you don't have to see it now. You just saw it" Unbelievable. The Karmic, superstitious part of me thinks it's my fault.🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoAZBillfan Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 8 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: It’s a stupid stupid play. Mind boggling stupid. A QB sneak should never be attempted on your own goaline. Especially with the personnel we have. It’s why I’m officially done with McD/Dorsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 33 minutes ago, pocoboy said: The thinking man would have burned a delay of game (what do you lose, 3 inches?) and tried like hell to draw them Offside. You get them to jump, you win. Plain and simple. If that ends up failing, I guess you stick with the same play you ran anyway. Interesting. Is there a limit I the rules to how any delay of games in a row can happen before it’s called a safety? Could they have kept trying until next Thursday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, Olliemets said: Haven't you seen "All the Right Moves?" I actually thought the same thing afterwards...poor Rifleman, put into that position by a coach who was nothing more than a typing teacher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 11 hours ago, John Gianelli said: Why not roll out Josh? If he's sure he can gain a yard or two, let him run. If he thinks he'll get sacked, throw the ball away. Yeap, McDermott should have went to Josh before the series and said immediately roll to the right out of the pocket and if you have the opportunity to run, then do it, if not launch it as far as you can. How many seconds would have came off it they did that three times. Probably gets you down to 15 secs on 4th. At that point to look into a safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 9 hours ago, Big Blitz said: I didn’t say we’re at that point. He’s rebuilt the team with Beane and Allen is THE reason for the success. So that it? He’s untouchable because he’s benefiting from everything being awful here for 20 years. Nope. Excellence only. And avoid losses for the ages. When the 'Fire McD' thread popped up last season, my only contribution was to contemplate "what if he's a Dan Reeves" type figure. A guy that can always make his team competitive and just on the cusp of greatness, but never seal the deal. Elway was 37 when he finally won his first Super Bowl. They had fired Reeves and brought back his former OC, Mike Shanahan. And I put it out to the board, when do we ask that question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, pocoboy said: The thinking man would have burned a delay of game (what do you lose, 3 inches?) and tried like hell to draw them Offside. You get them to jump, you win. Plain and simple. If that ends up failing, I guess you stick with the same play you ran anyway. yep. That’s what I said above. There’s no downside to trying to draw them Offside at least once. And probably a better than 70% chance the Vikings would’ve jumped. And even if they don’t, it makes them think twice about jumping the snap. McDermott hasn’t shown the ability to think on his feet. Josh hasn’t for that matter either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 The 49ers ran a QB sneak for a TD against the Chargers last night, sometime in the second half. From the one. The Chargers had three defensive linemen nose-to-nose with them. They were lined up on the goal line, their heads between the one and the goal line. After the play, all three of those guys were two-yards+ deep in the end zone. One center and two guards, alone, drove all three of them back there. There's been continuing discussion on this board about how the Bills ignore the offensive line in the top of the draft. Yesterday, again, they paid the price for bottom feeding for offensive linemen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocoboy Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 52 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Interesting. Is there a limit I the rules to how any delay of games in a row can happen before it’s called a safety? Could they have kept trying until next Thursday? I think you have a decent chance of drawing them off the first time, especially if you rush to the line and follow your normal cadences. The defenders would be so keyed up to stop that dive. Have no clue if there's a limit, but even one hard sell (to the point your OL move, how does that hurt you as well?) gets them to be even more cognizant on the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 12 hours ago, John Gianelli said: Why not roll out Josh? If he's sure he can gain a yard or two, let him run. If he thinks he'll get sacked, throw the ball away. If we hold in the end zone, it's a safety and we're back to square one. The sneak was the right call, just poorly executed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, without a drought said: If you can't get the snap right, it doesn't matter what the play was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 According to WGR this isn't the first time Josh has fumbled a snap inside his own one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, damj said: According to WGR this isn't the first time Josh has fumbled a snap inside his own one. …it is the first time that if he didn’t fumble the snap, the game would have been over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, LabattBlue said: …it is the first time that if he didn’t fumble the snap, the game would have been over. That is true. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. First time .. okay, a freak thing. That he has now done it twice is concerning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Allen has a hard time under center with a QB sneak. He cost us this game and he cost us Tennessee game last yea, also recall the Dallas Thanksgiving day fumble which he did pick up and wrestled for a massive first down.' I dont trust Josh at all on QB sneaks. Brady at his peak was almost a guaranteed first down on QB sneaks, so quick and fluid, Allen is not, a lot of excess motion and kinda of lumbers through it allowing the defense a micro second longer to get to the ball. He needs extensive practice or we should abandoned QB sneaks, 8 minutes ago, damj said: According to WGR this isn't the first time Josh has fumbled a snap inside his own one. How many snaps has he taken inside huis own one, in his entire pro career yesterday may have been the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) Are people really questioning the sneak!?!? The problem is Josh sucks at sneaks. He fumbles and slips and for some reason can’t execute them. The team now designs it where Davis or a TE motions over and pushes Allen forward bc he can’t get them on his own. It’s embarrassing really. Edited November 14, 2022 by peterpan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, dorquemada said: Yup. Maybe strait up worst OL in the league. Is Dawkins supposed to be good? All i've seen of him the last 3 games or so is being an example of how not to play OL He's inconsistent. Sometimes good. Sometimes not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 12 hours ago, Big Turk said: They had 3 downs to make sure we get out of the endzone to be able to run the clock out. The sneak was dumb because everyone knew it was coming. Allen running from the shotgun to the outside would have likely sealed the game. Everyone knows a run is coming on 4th and inches yet it’s somehow nearly impossible to stop. I’ve seen that play countless times, I’ve only seen it botched that badly once, and that was yesterday. the call was fine, the execution was not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Moulds Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I didn't like the call, because it was too obvious. In my opinion, the safety is worse in that situation. Why can't we just run our offense? Would we normally try a sneak from that close in? Use Josh's legs, with th run/pass option. We were out coached all game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said: I didn't like the call, because it was too obvious. In my opinion, the safety is worse in that situation. Why can't we just run our offense? Would we normally try a sneak from that close in? Use Josh's legs, with th run/pass option. We were out coached all game. 4 games in a row now. If Green Bay wasn't a dumpster fire things might be even worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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