DC Attorney General is filing civil lawsuit for collusion against Snyder, Commanders, Goodell, & NFL

[chongli]

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Edited November 10, 2022 by chongli

[Nextmanup]

There's just something about Daniel Snyder.  He spreads sunshine and good cheer wherever he goes.

 

 

[Warcodered]

Dan Snyder selling the WTFs

 

It's been slightly used.

[The Wiz]

30 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

There's just something about Daniel Snyder.  He spreads sunshine and good cheer wherever he goes.

 

 

The NFL's personal Krampus.

[ddaryl]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

So I guess you would have been happy if the NYS AG sued to get rid of Ralph Wilson and force a sale?  He was arguably a bad owner in the last decade otr so.  Had that happened, high probability the Bills would have left WNY,

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Ralph Wilson wasn't a dick. He may have been an underwhelming owner, but he wasn't doing anything to embarass the league and franchise outside of being a Cash to Cap owner

Danile Snyder has done some shady *****, and deserves this

[ColoradoBills]

Snyder is a douche and if he did illegal stuff, he should pay for it.

 

I'm shedding no tears for him and anyone who helped him.

[boyst]

6 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

Ralph Wilson wasn't a dick. He may have been an underwhelming owner, but he wasn't doing anything to embarass the league and franchise outside of being a Cash to Cap owner

Danile Snyder has done some shady *****, and deserves this

Ralph was letting the cheerleaders be pimped out...

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

Ralph Wilson wasn't a dick. He may have been an underwhelming owner, but he wasn't doing anything to embarass the league and franchise outside of being a Cash to Cap owner

Danile Snyder has done some shady *****, and deserves this

 

So who decides which owner is a "dick"?  I am not defending Snyder but it isn't the role of govt.  The power of the "shield" and all that Goddell propaganda and the other owners should decide. Politicans will just increase the cost of everything, litigate it to death and who gets empowered and richer?  Politicians and lawyers.

 

Personally I wish Snyder would have ratted out the other owners as he alluded to, that would have been great entertainment.

[sullim4]

I am no fan of Daniel Snyder or this franchise, but it is hard for me to look at this and not think it's politically motivated.

 

If DC's AG has time to do an investigation into a franchise that's incorporated outside their jurisdiction, amongst all the other issues that they have to deal with... I guess more power to them.  But it is hard for me to believe that this floats to the top of their priority list amongst all the other criminal investigations that could be going on there.  Let Maryland go after the guy.

[RoyBatty is alive]

Reminds me of the circus they had with Rodger Clemens testifying in front of the Senate(?) as to whether or not he ever did PEDs.  These politicians claim how critical and important they are, what was the point of getting involved the baseball PED scandal.  

 

There was no point, they wanted to get the sound bytes on TV against the evil dark lord Rodger Clemens.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I recall when RW died, Snyder have very nice things to say about Ralph.  He seemed to have spoken more than many other owners did at the time.

[Albany,n.y.]

How exactly does this affect the residents of DC unless they worked for the team?  The team plays in Maryland.  

[BarleyNY]

23 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

Federal District, yes, OUR government.

Sure, but the AG for DC only represents the people of that district, not the whole US. There is a US AG that does that.

[Beast]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

i'm so glad OUR government does this to protect us!

Regardless of being a private business or a government entity, I am glad to see the attorney generals office looking into stuff like this.

 

Laws are in place for a reason.

[RoyBatty is alive]

6 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Seems like your politics is leading to some poor assumptions on your part.  The DC AG only works for the district, not the whole country. As I am a resident of NY state, he doesn’t work for me. His job is to be the “people’s lawyer” for those in DC. Seems to me like he’s doing that here. And why couldn’t an AG file suit on behalf of those people against a person or corporation? That’s literally part of the job.

 

As for Snyder, his own actions have brought this on himself regarding the AG’s suit - and again the AG is doing his job. A lack of stadium deal nothing to do with him playing DC ball. He’s so toxic that it’s political suicide for a local politician to support using public funds for a new stadium with him as the owner. He also has no allies left amongst other NFL owners to get league support and money for it.

The entire territory is under the exclusive control of the Federal Government since 1801.

[BarleyNY]

32 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

So because YOU dont like Dan Snyder you think it is a good use of  time and effort to force a sale?

 

Lets think about this for a second.

 

So I guess you would have been happy if the NYS AG sued to get rid of Ralph Wilson and force a sale?  He was arguably a bad owner in the last decade otr so.  Had that happened, high probability the Bills would have left WNY,

 

Or better still, lets nationalize the sport force every owner to sell and let the politicians run the operations.  I see no downside to that at all.  They will manage to run is as efficiently as the Post Office.

My feelings about Snyder are not important. His actions and the impact of those actions on the people in DC and in the football team he owns are what’s important. 

3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

The entire territory is under the exclusive control of the Federal Government since 1801.

I understand that. Do you understand that the AG for DC only works for the residents of DC, not the residents of the entire US?

[pigpen65]

34 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

So because YOU dont like Dan Snyder you think it is a good use of  time and effort to force a sale?

 

Lets think about this for a second.

 

So I guess you would have been happy if the NYS AG sued to get rid of Ralph Wilson and force a sale?  He was arguably a bad owner in the last decade otr so.  Had that happened, high probability the Bills would have left WNY,

 

Or better still, lets nationalize the sport force every owner to sell and let the politicians run the operations.  I see no downside to that at all.  They will manage to run is as efficiently as the Post Office.

There was an investigation into a problematic workplace environment. This particular lawsuit is claiming that there was an organized effort between the commissioner of the NFL and the owner of the commanders to mislead those investigators during their investigation. Should we be ok with our government investigating on behalf of citizens who report a workplace for putting employees in harmful situations? Of course we should. If, during the investigation, the investigating body finds evidence of the workplace purposely sabotaging the investigation should we be ok with our government suing the workplace over it? Of course we should. This is the purpose of government, to protect it's citizens. I think you lost focus of the situation here.

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

My feelings about Snyder are not important. His actions and the impact of those actions on the people in DC and in the football team he owns are what’s important. 

Every owners actions impact the many of the  people in that area, so what.  If Snyder broke that law and they can prove it, arrest and him and charge him.    Just being a "dick"  or a terrible owner is not against the law.

[boyst]

13 minutes ago, Beast said:

Regardless of being a private business or a government entity, I am glad to see the attorney generals office looking into stuff like this.

 

Laws are in place for a reason.

You realize this is a civil matter not criminal, right? 

[Beast]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

You realize this is a civil matter not criminal, right? 

Yes.

 

[K-9]

49 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Incredible waste of time and money and we all get to  pay for it in taxes.

 

Another ***** politician trying to get his name recognition.

Aside from federal grants which go to all 50 states as well, no federal tax dollars fund the local DC government budget, including the DC district attorney who is elected to office by the citizens of Washington, DC. Our tax dollars have nothing to do with his office.

[BarleyNY]

32 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Every owners actions impact the many of the  people in that area, so what.  If Snyder broke that law and they can prove it, arrest and him and charge him.    Just being a "dick"  or a terrible owner is not against the law.

I never said it was. The AG is bringing their suit based on their consumer protection laws, which they claim were violated. That is definitely right in line with an AG’s job. 

[BisonMan]

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Every owners actions impact the many of the  people in that area, so what.  If Snyder broke that law and they can prove it, arrest and him and charge him.    Just being a "dick"  or a terrible owner is not against the law.

I don't think the charging documents mention Snyder being "a dick" but I'll check. 🙄

 

Full disclosure, I live in the DC Metro area in Northern Virginia but work in D.C. The team’s facilities are a football throw from my house….if I were Josh Allen. Lastly, my neighbor’s daughter interned with the team and did not have nice words about her experience. 

 

Two things can be true:

 

1. The Washington Red…grrr…Commanders defrauded the citizens of D.C. who paid for tickets when they might not otherwise had known the full scope of team management, the NFL, et al. hiding information regarding misconduct by the team that included potentially criminal behavior (most of which took place at the team’s facility in Ashburn, VA.). 
2. The retiring AG of D.C. is looking to score political points knowing the team’s management is wildly unpopular in the region.

To what end a retiring AG needs political points is yet to be determined. Perhaps he plans to run for higher office in the region at some point. Nonetheless, he probably put a lot of hours into this investigation and wants that work to come to fruition before he leaves office. None of that matters in this case if the team has done what the AG is charging them with. BTW, every AG in every jurisdiction has political instincts that drive their behaviors at times. They are elected, not appointed...and I'm shocked...shocked that there is gambling going on here!!!

 

Did the team mislead the public about the activities that their management engaged in during the last several years? Did the NFL work to keep any investigation from seeing the light of day in order to “protect the shield”. Absolutely, IMO. Why hide the results of an investigation unless it had financial implications for the team and the league? It’s all about the Benjamins.  

 

Did that effectively “defraud” the public? That’s the only real question that matters here. If the AG can prove that hiding the facts in this case had the effect of increasing ticket sales (or in this case keep sales from falling faster), maintaining merchandise revenue or benefiting the team and the NFL in other financial ways – they are likely to be found guilty. This is a civil case so Daniel won't be spending and time on his knees in the DC Central Detention Facility…as ironically fitting as that might be.

 

Not knowing all of the evidence the AG has in this case, it’s really hard for me to claim that the AG is acting inappropriately and that the team is unfairly being persecuted. Based on everything I’ve seen on this…which living here means “a lot”...the AG probably has a pretty good case. 

 

Let go of the dove, Roy… 🙂

Edited November 10, 2022 by BisonMan

[boater]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

How exactly does this affect the residents of DC unless they worked for the team?  The team plays in Maryland.  

Yeah. They play in MD, and practice in VA, IIRC.

 

What is the DC nexus the DC Atty General claims?

 

By similar logic, what prevents a Wyoming (many JA17 fans) citizen from suing the Bills.

[chongli]

26 minutes ago, BisonMan said:

 

1. The Washington Red…grrr…Commanders  

 

Makes me think of the moment last week on the radio when one of the news updaters on SiriusXM NFL Radio called them the "Guardians". He didn't even realize this.

[chongli]

34 minutes ago, boater said:

 

By similar logic, what prevents a Wyoming (many JA17 fans) citizen from suing the Bills.

 

Speaking of that, I wish the NFL would make the Jets and Giants change their names to "New Jersey". Buffalo needs to get recognition as New York's only NFL team. But I digress... 

[BisonMan]

12 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Makes me think of the moment last week on the radio when one of the news updaters on SiriusXM NFL Radio called them the "Guardians". He didn't even realize this.

They both s@ck equally so…

[WyoAZBillfan]

Political theater. This is a BIG FAT nothing burger. 
Dawn will sell the team, increase the size of his bank holdings by a bunch and the NFL will move on. 

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Aside from federal grants which go to all 50 states as well, no federal tax dollars fund the local DC government budget, including the DC district attorney who is elected to office by the citizens of Washington, DC. Our tax dollars have nothing to do with his office.

We all pay for it one way or another. 

 

This is one of 10s of thousands of ways we waste money on s*** that does not matter. It's money that could be spent on productive parts of society, instead it goes to a d measuring contest that has next to 0 effect on the general public

[LABILLBACKER]

Snyder's behavior is more than worthy of him being forced to sell the team. But Goodell / Shield covering this sht up to protect themselves wouldn't surprise me either.  

[K-9]

29 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

We all pay for it one way or another. 

 

This is one of 10s of thousands of ways we waste money on s*** that does not matter. It's money that could be spent on productive parts of society, instead it goes to a d measuring contest that has next to 0 effect on the general public

I have no interest in debating the merits of the case. I merely wanted to correct the record by saying that unless you are a DC citizen, none of your tax dollars go into funding the DC AG or any part of the local DC government as was suggested in the post I responded to. 

Edited November 11, 2022 by K-9

[chongli]

11 minutes ago, K-9 said:

 unless you are a DC citizen, none of your tax dollars go into funding the DC AG or any part of the local DC government as was suggested in the post I responded to. 

 

Plus maybe residents from outside the District who pay DC sales or income tax?

Edited November 11, 2022 by chongli

[K-9]

16 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Plus maybe residents from outside the District who pay DC sales or income tax?

You have to reside for 180 days in the District of Columbia to be subject to DC income taxes. And of course local sales taxes contribute to local tax revenues, like every place else in the country. But yeah, if one is so outraged at the lawsuit, then they should refrain from buying any goods or services in DC to be sure they aren’t contributing. 

[ArtVandalay]

4 hours ago, pigpen65 said:

There was an investigation into a problematic workplace environment. This particular lawsuit is claiming that there was an organized effort between the commissioner of the NFL and the owner of the commanders to mislead those investigators during their investigation. Should we be ok with our government investigating on behalf of citizens who report a workplace for putting employees in harmful situations? Of course we should. If, during the investigation, the investigating body finds evidence of the workplace purposely sabotaging the investigation should we be ok with our government suing the workplace over it? Of course we should. This is the purpose of government, to protect it's citizens. I think you lost focus of the situation here.

Read the AGs statement, that is not what this lawsuit is about at all. He is not representing the workers, he is representing consumers.  He claims the team and league makes investigators to protect their brand and profits and that consumers has they known would not have purchased their product.  

 

It has absolutely nothing to do the workers or workplace, it is about fans that bought tickets as consumers. 

 

Selective prosecution. It's a joke. 

[chongli]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

You have to reside for 180 days in the District of Columbia to be subject to DC income taxes. 

 

Ok good to know. My grandfather lived in NY but worked in PA, and he had to pay both states' income taxes, IIRC.

Edited November 11, 2022 by chongli

[First Round Bust]

12 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

How exactly does this affect the residents of DC unless they worked for the team?  The team plays in Maryland.  

they practice in VA all week fro decades...they play in Maryland 8-9 games a year since 1997...seems they are called "Washington" Commanders everyday no ?...its a consumer protection lawsuit most on this site dont know or care about other than try to dismiss based on their political bias

[ChasBB]

15 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

I recall when RW died, Snyder have very nice things to say about Ralph.  He seemed to have spoken more than many other owners did at the time.

I found Snyder's remarks on Wilson - may not be everything he said, but this was captured ...

 

“We are deeply saddened by the passing of the great Ralph Wilson. All of us have lost a NFL legend whose passion for his team was inspiring. We will always be thankful for Ralph’s contributions to the development of the AFL and NFL.”

Daniel Snyder, Redskins owner

 

This and more reactions to Wilson's passing here: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/25/league-reacts-to-the-passing-of-ralph-wilson/

[Spiderweb]

15 hours ago, boyst said:

Ralph was letting the cheerleaders be pimped out...

Wow, guilt by association? Pitiful.

[Mr. WEO]

I don't get this suit.  How were "the consumers" harmed?  They all already know their team owner is a completely shady a-hole.  What damages have they suffered as a result of this, financially?

[MJS]

Snyder is going up in flames and the vultures are swooping in to see if they can get a piece before it is too late.