Is it time to consider another kicker?

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

Josh was the issue, not Bass.

The Defense can take some blame as well. You're supposedly a Top 3 Defense and made a pitiful Zach Wilson look competent and mostly in control. I expected this D to bounce him around like a pinball.

[Bferra13]

This is a classic 05 (after the Bledsoe era)-15ish drought lunacy drunk thread. I could understand then. But not now. Silly.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, yall said:

Yeah, 55 yards is "gettable" but at that distance it's probably less than 50/50.

 

Don't throw stupid picks, stop the run and you don't need to hope someone hits a long ball to tie the game.

 

I found a table that lists it at 53.57% from 55 yards.  Another site states it's unlikely to make FG beyond 52 yards

 

Interestingly 56 yards jumps up to 59.3%, then down to 36.7% at 58 yards.  Once you hit 60 yards it's pretty much always below 30% so again does validate that 55 yards is getting close to edge of reasonable made kicks

[chongli]

I think perception may be skewed for some fans, as other teams seem to make long FG's against us, like Zuerlein today with a 53-yarder, Matt Gay with a 57-yarder in Week 1, Boswell of Pittsburgh with a 50-yarder, Justin Tucker with a 51-yarder, and Butker of KC with a 62-yarder earlier this year. Why do teams make so many long FG's against us?

Edited November 7, 2022 by chongli

[John from Riverside]

Nope

[MarkyMannn]

KC Butker just missed a 47.  He'll be available when he gets cut in a couple hours🤣

[Nelius]

No not at all, this isn't an issue to me. We have way bigger problems than our B+ kicker. Nobody is Justin Tucker. Bass is fine, and it's not like the 51 yarder that he hit today is anything near automatic. Was a good kick.

[Franco_92]

Where can I find kicking stats broken down by hash? I have a friend that refuses to believe me that he has issues on the right hash, and I know 100% that it's a thing, fans have been talking about it for 2 years. 

[YoloinOhio]

Dan carpenter had a sweet mullet 

[klos63]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Shouldn’t your top end Offense and MVP Candidate QB put up more than 17 points?  Maybe start there before slamming Bass for missing a kick 

He didn't 'slam' him. Just brought it up. I thought the same thing during the game. He's made me nervous all season, his kicks often seem to push and and not clear the uprights by much on kicks, and I've wondered if the kicks were much longer, would he miss them. Maybe it's the viewing angle, but he doesn't seem to kick many FG's straight through the uprights.

[Mark Vader]

5 hours ago, Big Turk said:

No.

 

I'm more concerned by the idiotic kick out of bounds

This I will agree with.

 

Bass is way better than that. Thankfully it was one of the few times that the defense stepped up and forced a 3 and out from the Jets, so Bass' kick out of bounds did not harm us.

 

As for the main topic, I am not concerned about Bass as a kicker. A 55 yarder is not a chip shot and he did make one from 51 yards today.

 

We have far bigger concerns than Kicker.

3 hours ago, BillsfaninChicago said:

Omg what is going on here with this forum tonight?! LOL

 

I usually don’t come on TBD after a loss but the only other topic on social media seems to be the midterms and I want to escape from that stuff. I guess I can go to the adult websites and fortunately that is like 95% of the rest of internet so I will see you all on Thursday or Friday. 

Welcome to TBD PTSD, this always happens after a loss.

 

Granted this loss was very grotesque, and a lot of fans have reason to be angry, I know I am. 

 

Yet I am confident that the Bills will come back from this.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

4 hours ago, DapperCam said:

The miss in Miami was tipped, and I want to say the hold was bad too (wasn’t the long snapper out that game)?

 

The hold was fine. Bass had a ridiculously low kick that was almost guaranteed to be tipped/blocked 

[Dr.Sack]

Bass misses 50% from 50+ as do every kicker available. 

[US Egg]

Six of 11 games today decided by 3 pts. That there is not 30 good enough kickers in the world points out the uniqueness of having one.

 

Seems to be the case more often at more positions. It’s a here today gone tomorrow league, pretty much how the NFL wants it to be.

 

 

[Gunsgoodtime]

This is your thoughts after watching game? Lol

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, Bangarang said:

It’s probably too early for that but I wouldn’t be opposed to it at some point. There’s really nothing special about Bass. Today wasn’t his first blunder of kicking it off out of bounds. It really shouldn’t happen, ever. 

 

This is where I am. It's too early to talk about getting rid, but he is eligible for a contract extension after this season and I will say this - I would not be rushing to extend him at all right now. 

[Gunsgoodtime]

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Dan carpenter had a sweet mullet 

May as well bring back Norwood........

[MAJBobby]

6 hours ago, klos63 said:

He didn't 'slam' him. Just brought it up. I thought the same thing during the game. He's made me nervous all season, his kicks often seem to push and and not clear the uprights by much on kicks, and I've wondered if the kicks were much longer, would he miss them. Maybe it's the viewing angle, but he doesn't seem to kick many FG's straight through the uprights.

If the go straight through are they more points?  
 

sorry I don’t see the issue people are having with the kicker.

 

[finn]

Well, no, Bass is fine. But he does seem to miss kicks and boot kickoffs out of bounds when the team needs him the most. To be fair, he has also made some clutch kicks. I'm fine with his percentage, but there is no reason he needs to give the other team a start at the 40-yard line. Again. 

[klos63]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

If the go straight through are they more points?  
 

sorry I don’t see the issue people are having with the kicker.

 

No, but if the kicks are longer than 35, they may end up outside the uprights, which means they no good. It's not that difficult to understand , really.

 

[MAJBobby]

9 minutes ago, klos63 said:

No, but if the kicks are longer than 35, they may end up outside the uprights, which means they no good. It's not that difficult to understand , really.

 

Ooo so an If and a may. 
 

all kickers can end up outside the uprights. I know it is a difficult concept they miss at times. 

[Olliemets]

No. The OOB Kickoff to me indicates a lack of focus. Didn't cost us yesterday but it's 3rd one I recall oer the past year.

[T master]

Well hey Josh has had seemingly a couple of bad games too & thrown a INT or 2 in the last 3 or 4 games let's get rid of him too while were at it . They pay these guys all this money to play a game & they don't produce like robots WTH is wrong with these guys !!

 

GUT THE TEAM THEY SUCK !!!! 🙄

Edited November 7, 2022 by T master

[Matt_In_NH]

Not sold on Bass completely but I dont think you can do better on the street.  Not going to blame him for the loss for not hitting a 55 yarder.  In today's game you do need to hit from that distance but we should not expect 100%.

Edited November 7, 2022 by Matt_In_NH

[NastyNateSoldiers]

14 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

In both our losses this year (both by 3 or less), Bass has missed some gettable field goals. There was zero wind today, and the miss against Miami was from 30-odd yards if I recall correctly. There were also a few close games last year where he missed field goals.

 

It just seems to me that he is a factor in all our close losses. Kicking field goals and PAT's in blow outs is not that critical. 

 

We need a kicker to be good in the close ones.

 

Not calling for his head, and the loss today is not necessarily on him but I am concerned as I think this is becoming a pattern.

While there at it scan every practice squad for a real running back. I’m tired of these twig looking backs we got there hot garbage. 

[SydneyBillsFan]

16 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

This is your thoughts after watching game? Lol

 

Yeah I know...maybe I should start a 6th thread on Josh, a 4th thread on our WR's or a 3rd thread on McD and Frazier.

 

Sheesh. 

 

And for the record, at NO POINT did I advocate that we replace Bass NOW. I only asked if it was time to CONSIDER a change - perhaps in next years draft.

[frostbitmic]

On 11/6/2022 at 6:51 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

55-yarder is no gimme.
 

More bothered by the kick out of bounds— his second of the year.  I think they have him really try to sky those and place them in a precise spot— juice may not be worth the squeeze.

Why is an out of bounds kick off the same penalty as roughing the passer ?

 

When the ball is kicked out of the end zone it's placed at the 25, kick off out of bounds goes to the 40. Same as RTP 15 yards.

[Pirate Angel]

Our team plays Sloppy, they don't protect the football and they get exposed against tough defenses.  

[LABILLBACKER]

On 11/6/2022 at 3:51 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

55-yarder is no gimme.
 

More bothered by the kick out of bounds— his second of the year.  I think they have him really try to sky those and place them in a precise spot— juice may not be worth the squeeze.

He's practicing the kick he didn't do in KC.  I don't know what to make of Bass. The 2 out of bounds are inexcusable. Missing a 55 yarder will happen but there's going to come a time when we're going to need him to nail a long game winner.

[GreggTX]

No.

[without a drought]

11 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

Why is an out of bounds kick off the same penalty as roughing the passer ?

 

When the ball is kicked out of the end zone it's placed at the 25, kick off out of bounds goes to the 40. Same as RTP 15 yards.

It's not a 15 yard penalty, it;s where the ball is spotted. It was never a touchback, so the 25 yard line has nothing to do with it. The ball is spotted at the 40 unless it goes out of bounds before the 40, then it is spotted there.