Week 9: Bills at Jets - Sunday Nov. 6th 1pm

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

Are we sure it wouldn’t be Dodson? Bernard and Milano seem similar, but I recall him struggling in coverage in preseason. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t have improved, but I might prefer Dodson. 

Im saying this entirely because I’m tired of high draft picks being given pseudo-redshirt years. 
 

Dodson may be the better option.  And that would be disappointing. 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Im saying this entirely because I’m tired of high draft picks being given pseudo-redshirt years. 
 

Dodson may be the better option.  And that would be disappointing. 

While the highly picked player may actually suck, high draft picks having redshirt years is often a sign of a talented, veteran laden team whose starting lineup is hard to crack. 

Edited November 4, 2022 by K-9

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

While the highly licked player may actually suck, high draft picks having redshirt years is often a sign of a talented, veteran laden team whose starting lineup is hard to crack. 

This is a PG forum!  

[goober]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

While the highly licked player may actually suck

Is that a double entendre?

[SCBills]

39 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah, the one poster said it well on here "we've gotten a lot of mileage out Hyde and Poyer"

 

I think we're seeing that Safety goes near the top of the list for next year. 

 

You can't depend on 30+ year olds in the Playoffs. 

 

They'll both be 32 next season, and nothing against them, but they're starting to break down. 

Yea, tough to see given Poyer’s contract status, but it’s time to move on past Hyde/Poyer.  
 

Let’s just manage Poyer throughout the season to make sure he’s healthy for the Playoffs. 
 

Maybe Hyde comes back next year.  
 

Regardless.. I think we’ll likely extend Edmunds, so draft a Safety in the first three rounds to pair with Hamlin.  Best case scenario, they can learn behind Hyde for a year. 

[Chandler#81]

 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Am I the only one who DOESN'T want Tre's first game back to be on the MetLife turf?

I'd rather that his first game back be next week, on our home field against Minnesota.

Announce the defensive players rather than the offensive players in pre-game introductions. Let him hear the roar of Bills Mafia as he runs out of the tunnel.

 

High Mark is turf too correct? Whether it's this upcoming game or next it will be turf either way.

 

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

I give it about a 5% chance that he’s active for this game.

 

That's pretty low, obviously we don't know for sure yet.....but I feel like he will play this Sunday likely in some sort of limited capacity.

[MiltonWaddams]

1 minute ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

High Mark is turf too correct? Whether it's this upcoming game or next it will be turf either way.

 

Highmark is turf, but the turf in MetLife seems is reputed to be the worst in the league for causing injuries and the stats seem to back that up.

[Warriorspikes51]

3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

He's been on the bench for 2.5 quarters as well? 

[Patrick Duffy]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

Looks like he knows how to "back that ass up" 

 

 

[ShakAttack]

So we're looking at Jaquan/Marlowe & Hamlin at safety this week?

 

Has there been any indication how much Marlowe will play?  I've seen some vets get plugged into the starting lineup after a trade, but I'm assuming Jaquan Johnson still gets the start here and majority of the game. 

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Highmark is turf, but the turf in MetLife seems is reputed to be the worst in the league for causing injuries and the stats seem to back that up.

Oh ok, didn't know that. I always thought one of the worst was Bears Soldier Field. Or at least it was couple years back

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

Oh ok, didn't know that. I always thought one of the worst was Bears Soldier Field. Or at least it was couple years back

Still is a bad field, but that's a grass field that is just poorly maintained.

Edited November 4, 2022 by The Wiz

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

So we're looking at Jaquan/Marlowe & Hamlin at safety this week?

 

Has there been any indication how much Marlowe will play?  I've seen some vets get plugged into the starting lineup after a trade, but I'm assuming Jaquan Johnson still gets the start here and majority of the game. 

Probably will be mainly for depth would be my guess. Although Marlowe knows this system for the most part, I don't believe he starts or anything. Probably just for insurance purposes in case of an injury and also will probably rotate from time to time.

[The Wiz]

Someone's feeling good. 

 

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Still is a bad field, but that's a grass field that is just poorly maintained.

Was it always grass though? Like few years back I recall a game where players and coaches complined about being unsafe when chunks came up. I don't remember if was natural grass then or not

[MiltonWaddams]

1 minute ago, Patrick Duffy said:

Was it always grass though? Like few years back I recall a game where players and coaches complined about being unsafe when chunks came up. I don't remember if was natural grass then or not

I miss the days of the Oakland Coliseum still having the infield dirt from baseball. That was some exciting football turf!

[The Wiz]

8 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

Was it always grass though? Like few years back I recall a game where players and coaches complined about being unsafe when chunks came up. I don't remember if was natural grass then or not

I believe it has been natural grass for a long time.  Apparently they are doing something new this year (which I didn't know) called GOG (GameOnGrass) which is a sand based sod grown in plastic.

 

There have been many issues with it already.

 

 

[Blank Stare]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Im saying this entirely because I’m tired of high draft picks being given pseudo-redshirt years. 
 

Dodson may be the better option.  And that would be disappointing. 

That’s fair to be frustrated if a higher pick (one who many of us were surprised by during the draft) doesn’t get a lot of run their first year, but that’s not unusual for this team (or other deep teams). Dodson can cover though. In fact he’s also like Milano a bit athletically. Like Milano, ran in the 4.6s and has been in this system a while.
 

Hopefully, Milano plays, but if it is Dodson, I wouldn’t think negatively of Bernard. Just that we are a deep team and guys have to fight their way on the field. It’s a sign of roster strength. Same way I don’t feel bad about James Cook or our young safeties when they added Hines and Marlowe. It’s a deep team, and when there is an injury, they are going to play the guys they trust most and give them the best opportunity to win. 

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

That’s fair to be frustrated if a higher pick (one who many of us were surprised by during the draft) doesn’t get a lot of run their first year, but that’s not unusual for this team (or other deep teams). Dodson can cover though. In fact he’s also like Milano a bit athletically. Like Milano, ran in the 4.6s and has been in this system a while.
 

Hopefully, Milano plays, but if it is Dodson, I wouldn’t think negatively of Bernard. Just that we are a deep team and guys have to fight their way on the field. It’s a sign of roster strength. Same way I don’t feel bad about James Cook or our young safeties when they added Hines and Marlowe. It’s a deep team, and when there is an injury, they are going to play the guys they trust most and give them the best opportunity to win. 

 

If Milano doesn't play Dodson gets the start.  Bills are going to run up the score and when that happens Bernard will get his snaps.

[Scott7975]

 

[Greg S]

 

[Golden*Wheels]

Beane gonna be on the McAfee show in about 30 minutes.

[Big Turk]

Poyer already ruled out...great.

[Patrick Duffy]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Poyer already ruled out...great.

Kinda expected no??

[Big Turk]

Most of the Jets success has come in zone coverage(lowest QBR allowed), but Allen leads the NFL in QBR(81) and TDs(6) against zone coverage...good luck with that Jets.

Just now, Patrick Duffy said:

Kinda expected no??

 

Yeah but hopes were up when McD said day-to-day earlier in the week

Edited November 4, 2022 by Big Turk

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

Yeah but hopes were up when McD said day-to-day earlier in the week

 

Well for me when MCD said day to day, I took that the good news as not out for season and missing couple games.

 

I never was expecting him to play this game

[CNYfan]

Our Bills lost to the Dolphins with both Poyer and Hyde out.   The defense is markedly weaker without JP.  If Milano is also missing, it is going to increase the struggle against another Division Opponent.  

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, CNYfan said:

Our Bills lost to the Dolphins with both Poyer and Hyde out.   The defense is markedly weaker without JP.  If Milano is also missing, it is going to increase the struggle against another Division Opponent.  

 

Tottally different scenario though..... Jets don't have a Hill/Waddle to open up the field like Fins. Bills mainly need to keep the Jets run game in check and I don't think that will be so much of a problem, even with the injuries.

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

Our Bills lost to the Dolphins with both Poyer and Hyde out.   The defense is markedly weaker without JP.  If Milano is also missing, it is going to increase the struggle against another Division Opponent.  

 

The D will be fine.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

Our Bills lost to the Dolphins with both Poyer and Hyde out.   The defense is markedly weaker without JP.  If Milano is also missing, it is going to increase the struggle against another Division Opponent.  

 

Not really because of the D...they gave up 213 total yards and one of the TD "drives" was like 4 yards I think. They hit them with 1 big pass.  They lost because they left 20-30 points on the field and the heat related issues they were having during the game.

Edited November 4, 2022 by Big Turk

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Not really because of the D...they gave up 213 total yards and one of the TD "drives" was like 4 yards I think. They hit them with 1 big pass.  

 

Agreed - our offense lost in Miami, partly down being down so many on the O Line by the fourth quarter. Despite being depleted, our defense did well.

[hemma]

I’ve come to expect at least 1 turnover in the redzone.  We can survive those.

It’s the turnovers inside our 20 that can bite us.  Need to be a little cautious when we’re backed up.  

These guys have couple of studs that can put us in a hole.

[MasterStrategist]

15 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Most of the Jets success has come in zone coverage(lowest QBR allowed), but Allen leads the NFL in QBR(81) and TDs(6) against zone coverage...good luck with that Jets.

 

Yeah but hopes were up when McD said day-to-day earlier in the week

Conflicting report came out from Ian Rappaport that poyer is more "week to week".  At this point, I wouldn't count on him next week either.

 

Agree about Jets playing zone/4 man rush rate is very high.  Be curious if Shakir gets more PT against a defense like this, similar to Steelers with zone looks.

[Special K]

6 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Tottally different scenario though..... Jets don't have a Hill/Waddle to open up the field like Fins. Bills mainly need to keep the Jets run game in check and I don't think that will be so much of a problem, even with the injuries.

 

Add in the fact that Zach Wilson is not a very good QB, and this seems to be a "key in on the run--get them into 3rd and long situations--watch Zach Wilson make mistakes on said 3rd and longs" scenario.

[The Wiz]

27 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said:

Beane gonna be on the McAfee show in about 30 minutes.

Pat: "***** you for taking Hines"

 

Beane: "I appreciate the '***** you' for that trade"

 

🤣

Edited November 4, 2022 by The Wiz

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, TheProcess said:

That’s fair to be frustrated if a higher pick (one who many of us were surprised by during the draft) doesn’t get a lot of run their first year, but that’s not unusual for this team (or other deep teams). Dodson can cover though. In fact he’s also like Milano a bit athletically. Like Milano, ran in the 4.6s and has been in this system a while.
 

Hopefully, Milano plays, but if it is Dodson, I wouldn’t think negatively of Bernard. Just that we are a deep team and guys have to fight their way on the field. It’s a sign of roster strength. Same way I don’t feel bad about James Cook or our young safeties when they added Hines and Marlowe. It’s a deep team, and when there is an injury, they are going to play the guys they trust most and give them the best opportunity to win. 

White, Edmunds, Bernard/Elam, Milano, Rousseau, Ford, Bass all started or played extensively in their rookie years. I dont think there is an actual philosophy to red shirt guys. I think the guys that aren't good dont play that much. 

[Process]

Injury report is best case scenario. Good to see. 

 

We all expected Poyer Milano and Brown to be in question/out and Poyer the only one ruled out so far. 

 

Edmunds and Von good to go. Great news. 

 

 

Edited November 4, 2022 by Process

[smuvtalker]

7 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

I am in bed with covid and had nothing to do, so I re-watched Bills @ Jets 2019 game. For those who don't remember, it was season opener a we were down 0-16 in mid 3Q but managed to come back and win 17-16.

 

Defense was playing great whole game, but Allen had 4 turnovers in the first half including unlucky pick6 by CJ Mosley (bounced from Cole Beasley's hands). He was great in the first drive until fumble, then quite ok, and then looked really bad trying to play hero ball early in second half. Then suddenly we got Devin Singletary going, Allen settled down and managed very nice GW drive with 3:00 to go. Defense then shut Darnold down and we won. Game was for sure affected by Mosley's injury; our run started once he went down in the middle of the 3rd quarter.

 

Couple of things I find interesting:

 

1. Allen's inaccuracy was the main theme for the announcers, esp. Harlan. Can't blame them much though after his rookie season. Fun times lol.

 

2. Universal thought was that Darnold is/will be the better QB of the two. Fun times indeed.

 

3. In offense, this was the first game Allen had any receivers at all. John Brown had 123 yards and a TD and was great imo, as he was whole 2019 season. I think he helped Allen a lot.

 

4. Rookies were Oliver, Ford, Singletary, Knox, D. Johnson, J. Johnson and Sweeney. Almost all of them played. Oliver looked good and Sweeney looked like we may had something in him. Singletary was great once he got a chance behind Gore. He had 4 rushes for 70 yards and 5 catches for 28 yards. He essentially changed the game since our first TD was all him. It was nice to see, since before he had a chance to show something Shady McCoy had like 6/60 for the Chiefs and people were questioning how we could let him go and keep Gore

 

5. Speaking of Gore, wow. We didn't like Moss running for 2 yards last 2 years but man Gore was something else. I don't want to bash someone with his career but he really looked slow and old in Bills uni.

 

6. Jets offense was Bell and Crowder. It was Bell's first game after a year and he looked good. Then he went on a disappointing season (789y, 3,2y AVG) and his career essentially ended. Other than them, Jets had nothing. Robbie Anderson had 3/23.

 

7. It's really interesting how similar our back 7 looked to what we have now. Edmunds, Milano, T.Johnson, Hyde, Poyer, White, Neal. Only Lorax and Levi Wallace are gone now.

 

8. There was a brutal turnover on Jets roster. It is only 3 years away, and unless I missed someone only CJ Mosley, Q.Williams, Braxton Berrios and LS Hennessy are on their current roster now. That's almost impossible to manage imo. EDIT: They also had LB Shepherd and DE Franklin-Myers as inactives so that's 6. For comparison, Bills have 21 from that day (including Phillips, Lawson and Marlowe who came back).

 

For fun I also read the game day thread  Lots of hot takes even from reasonable posters, but you can imagine it was even worse than these days, since nobody knew what Allen will become and people were used to losing much more than today. If somebody has nothing to do:

 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/217960-bills-at-the-jets-98-first-half-thread/

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/217961-98-bills-at-jets-second-half-thread/

 

 

It is worth mentioning that success of other relevant QBs on that day didn't help either. Ravens destroyed Dolphins 59-10 and Lamar was 17/20 for 324y and 5TDs. Mahomes was 25/33 for 378y and 3TDs, all of them to Sammy Watkins who had 9/198 lol.

Get well soon brother

[Scott7975]

5 minutes ago, Process said:

Injury report is best case scenario. Good to see. 

 

We all expected Poyer Milano and Brown to be in question/out and Poyer the only one ruled out so far. 

 

Edmunds and Von good to go. Great news. 

 

 

 

Yeah thats not bad.  Hopefully Milano can play but if not, Im not going to stress it.  Our D does well with next man up.