BuffaloBills1998 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/21/todd-gurley-hasnt-officially-retired-but-says-hes-most-definitely-done/ only 28 years old. Seeing this makes me glad that Beane passed on trading for CMC. This is why the RB position is a dime a dozen position. 3 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Makes ya wonder how players like Emmit Smith had such a long productive career. They just don't build 'em like they used to 3 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/21/todd-gurley-hasnt-officially-retired-but-says-hes-most-definitely-done/ only 28 years old. Seeing this makes me glad that Beane passed on trading for CMC. This is why the RB position is a dime a dozen position. “Dime a dozen” makes them all sound about equal, which is not accurate. Some are much better than others. But NONE of them are as important as a QB, LT, edge rusher, CB1, WR1, etc. I’m glad we set a limit on CMC and didn’t up the ante. I love our FO! 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) On 10/21/2022 at 4:46 PM, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/21/todd-gurley-hasnt-officially-retired-but-says-hes-most-definitely-done/ only 28 years old. Seeing this makes me glad that Beane passed on trading for CMC. This is why the RB position is a dime a dozen position. No offense, but these are not comparable situations. Gurley had a degenerative knee issue that was always going to shorten his career. CMC stayed major injury free his entire football life from HS to College to the NFL with the exception of some non career threatening injuries the plaguing previous 2 years. His career does not seem close to coming to a close. This board tried to basically proclaim Saquan and CMC careers were all but done as high level players this offseason...yet one is leading the NFL in scrimmage yards and the reason his team is 5-1 and the other was playing so well that the Niners just traded most their 2023 draft to get him. No offense again, but there is no bigger false saying in the NFL than "RB's are a dime a dozen"...its just not true. Edited October 24, 2022 by Alphadawg7 2 11 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lost said: Makes ya wonder how players like Emmit Smith had such a long productive career. They just don't build 'em like they used to Frank Gore too. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/21/todd-gurley-hasnt-officially-retired-but-says-hes-most-definitely-done/ only 28 years old. Seeing this makes me glad that Beane passed on trading for CMC. This is why the RB position is a dime a dozen position. He was done at the end of his age 24 season when he did a vanishing act in the playoffs as the Rams went to the Super Bowl. This kind of stuff always happened with star RB's but when it was the most important position in the game the 3 best athletes on the team were usually RB1, RB2 and RB3 so there was actual cream to rise to the top and be long term starting RB's. Now the cream of the crop of NFL athletes become receivers or defensive players......maybe even QB's.........because that is where the money is. 5 years ago 30 was the age that was the rule of thumb for top RB's to decline sharply..........now it's more like 26. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Pretty sad, I wish him well 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Pretty sad, I wish him well Rumor has it he has your wallet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 I still haven't figured out what he was saying in that Carl's jr commercial... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted October 22, 2022 Author Share Posted October 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: No offense, but these are not comparable situations. Gurley had a degenerative knee issue that was always going to shorten his career. CMC stayed injury free his entire football life from HS to College to the NFL with the exception of some non career threatening injuries the previous 2 years. His career does not seem close to coming to a close. This board tried to basically proclaim Saquan and CMC careers were all but done as high level players this offseason...yet one is leading the NFL in scrimmage yards and the reason his team is 5-1 and the other was playing so well that the Niners just traded most their 2023 draft to get him. That’s not true at all. CMC had injury problems in Stanford. Minus 2 years his injury problems worsened in Carolina as he hasn’t played a full season in almost 2-3 years. And this is not a comparison it’s a reminder that RBs don’t last especially ones who have an injury history. CMC is only 2 years younger than Gurley. We’ll see how things play out for him in San Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: He was done at the end of his age 24 season when he did a vanishing act in the playoffs as the Rams went to the Super Bowl. This kind of stuff always happened with star RB's but when it was the most important position in the game the 3 best athletes on the team were usually RB1, RB2 and RB3 so there was actual cream to rise to the top and be long term starting RB's. Now the cream of the crop of NFL athletes become receivers or defensive players......maybe even QB's.........because that is where the money is. 5 years ago 30 was the age that was the rule of thumb for top RB's to decline sharply..........now it's more like 26. Alot of truth in this statement, most elite athletes won't play RB. Who can blame them, low pay and short careers. Make more money as a top slot receiver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Augie said: Rumor has it he has your wallet. Good thing he has that bad knee and can’t run away from @HOUSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/21/todd-gurley-hasnt-officially-retired-but-says-hes-most-definitely-done/ only 28 years old. Seeing this makes me glad that Beane passed on trading for CMC. This is why the RB position is a dime a dozen position. Gurley took over 1,000 rushes his first 4 years in the league. To compare, Motor has taken just over 500 so far. These players are unique to themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, DJB said: Good thing he has that bad knee and can’t run away from @HOUSE BUT, he probably has his own car and can just drive away from @HOUSE. I remember a college buddy has his dad in town and stayed with us one night. I remember wondering what kind of grown man didn’t have his own car. Over time I developed some perspective, and realized that the high level Merrill Lynch exec living in Manhattan probably has no problem getting around, and a car in Manhattan would only hold you back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Gurley was a stud, too bad the knees gave out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Food_Pyramid_Wrong Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 I saw Gurley live at UC Irvine Training Camp years ago. Boras was the OC and Keenum was on that team. Gurley was a man among boys on practically every run. He will be quickly forgotten, but man was he something in his prime. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Lost said: Makes ya wonder how players like Emmit Smith had such a long productive career. They just don't build 'em like they used to Emmitt Smith did it by faking injuries to get breaks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Just another example of why you can't hand out a large 2nd contract to RBs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoAZBillfan Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Emmitt Smith did it by faking injuries to get breaks. Ask the Giants if that’sa true statement. Edited October 22, 2022 by WyoAZBillfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Emmitt Smith did it by faking injuries to get breaks. I'm too young to know exactly what you're talking about but it sounds stupid and surely has nothing to do with the debatably the most untouchable nfl record 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/21/todd-gurley-hasnt-officially-retired-but-says-hes-most-definitely-done/ only 28 years old. Seeing this makes me glad that Beane passed on trading for CMC. This is why the RB position is a dime a dozen position. Instead Beane keeps spending 2nds and 3rds drafting lesser RB’s. Is that better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Gurley would have been a top 3 pick if not for his knees coming out of college. He was an elite back but I think everyone knew he wasn't going to be around for long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, klos63 said: Gurley would have been a top 3 pick if not for his knees coming out of college. He was an elite back but I think everyone knew he wasn't going to be around for long. They knew it would be an issue. He managed to earn $49 MIL during his time in the league. Time to take care of your body and enjoy the good life. I hope he can live a reasonably healthy life. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Hurley was a special back coming out of college & his first year in the NFL was pretty good i wonder seeing as he has been inactive for a few years if the knee has stopped hurting if he would be a consideration to get on a veteran minimum contract to replace someone like Moss . If he could put together a season close to what he had as a rookie it may be worth looking into ... At 6'1 230 lb he could be a plus especially in the short yardage department & one would think there would be something in modern day medicine that they could do something for his knee to give him a couple of good seasons . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 43 minutes ago, FireChans said: Instead Beane keeps spending 2nds and 3rds drafting lesser RB’s. Is that better? Has any rb drafted after Singletary done anything significant? Been solid while not spectacular. Moss, miss. Whatever beane gets a pass he's been outstanding. Cook. Very much TBD what he's going to provide. I would've rather gave a 1st for him then 3 picks. Beane is just to lethal/efficient to give that up. Weird how this works but the cost to a good drafting team is so much higher than a team that isn't. 2010s bills would've been higher picks and still less valuable. If cook is running with the rock well he's fine (I expect him to be good catching), cool. If not I'm down to either overdraft or pay in free agency. It sucks but let's get that position locked down instead of chasing one. The cost is adding up worse than biting bullet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, T master said: Hurley was a special back coming out of college & his first year in the NFL was pretty good i wonder seeing as he has been inactive for a few years if the knee has stopped hurting if he would be a consideration to get on a veteran minimum contract to replace someone like Moss . If he could put together a season close to what he had as a rookie it may be worth looking into ... At 6'1 230 lb he could be a plus especially in the short yardage department & one would think there would be something in modern day medicine that they could do something for his knee to give him a couple of good seasons . A deteriorating osteoarthritic joint doesn't get better. It eventually gets replaced. He is done by his own admission. Too bad he was special. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/21/todd-gurley-hasnt-officially-retired-but-says-hes-most-definitely-done/ only 28 years old. Seeing this makes me glad that Beane passed on trading for CMC. This is why the RB position is a dime a dozen position. RBs are very common high athletic positions so they are easily replaceable. assuming no injuries sone will say that a RB might have only about 1500 rush attempts in them. 20 a game means 75 games which is about 4.5 seasons. this is why many teams don’t draft a RB with a top 20 pick. You want your top 20 pick to last for 8+ years ( assuming you resign them) there are RB who can last longer if they stay healthy like Gore or Adrian Peterson. if the back is good they are generally turning pro st earliest time so they start at 20 or 21 yrs old instead of 23 yr old so in theory you should be able to get more out of them. it’s the big unknown…what separates a RB who only lasts 4 yrs vs one that has a 8+ yr career that isn’t a role/ back up 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Instead Beane keeps spending 2nds and 3rds drafting lesser RB’s. Is that better? not a big deal. You are likely not going to see them get resigned after their 4 yr team control is completed. Expect every other year a late 1st-4th used on a RB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Instead Beane keeps spending 2nds and 3rds drafting lesser RB’s. Is that better? Yes. 100% Yes. The pittance we are spending on our 3 RBs allows us to allocate money to the true skill positions (i.e. Miller, Diggs). We also have built in redundancy in case one of our RB's gets injured. When your star RB on a ~$60M contract goes down - and they often due, your season is essentially over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: That’s not true at all. CMC had injury problems in Stanford. Minus 2 years his injury problems worsened in Carolina as he hasn’t played a full season in almost 2-3 years. And this is not a comparison it’s a reminder that RBs don’t last especially ones who have an injury history. CMC is only 2 years younger than Gurley. We’ll see how things play out for him in San Fran No he hasn’t been hurt 2-3 years. He was hurt 2 different seasons at Car. You are not correct 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 42 minutes ago, djp14150 said: RBs are very common high athletic positions so they are easily replaceable. assuming no injuries sone will say that a RB might have only about 1500 rush attempts in them. 20 a game means 75 games which is about 4.5 seasons. this is why many teams don’t draft a RB with a top 20 pick. You want your top 20 pick to last for 8+ years ( assuming you resign them) there are RB who can last longer if they stay healthy like Gore or Adrian Peterson. if the back is good they are generally turning pro st earliest time so they start at 20 or 21 yrs old instead of 23 yr old so in theory you should be able to get more out of them. it’s the big unknown…what separates a RB who only lasts 4 yrs vs one that has a 8+ yr career that isn’t a role/ back up not a big deal. You are likely not going to see them get resigned after their 4 yr team control is completed. Expect every other year a late 1st-4th used on a RB That's legitimately the worst team building strategy ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted October 22, 2022 Author Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Instead Beane keeps spending 2nds and 3rds drafting lesser RB’s. Is that better? Would it be better that we waste 4-5 picks on a washed up injured prone RB?? 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: No he hasn’t been hurt 2-3 years. He was hurt 2 different seasons at Car. You are not correct not correct huh?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 While I 100% agree that RBs (and ALL positions) are replaceable, it's the quality of the talent that is difficult to replace, BUT they do get replaced eventually over time. Tom Brady has proven multiple times that a team can win the Super Bowl without the need of an Pro Bowl RB. Sucks for Todd Gurley though. Yes, he was a special breed of RBs in his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: No offense, but these are not comparable situations. Gurley had a degenerative knee issue that was always going to shorten his career. CMC stayed injury free his entire football life from HS to College to the NFL with the exception of some non career threatening injuries the previous 2 years. His career does not seem close to coming to a close. This board tried to basically proclaim Saquan and CMC careers were all but done as high level players this offseason...yet one is leading the NFL in scrimmage yards and the reason his team is 5-1 and the other was playing so well that the Niners just traded most their 2023 draft to get him. No offense again, but there is no bigger false saying in the NFL than "RB's are a dime a dozen"...its just not true. So you’re saying either team should be happy with how they used a top 10 draft pick? Less than half the seasons between the two they were healthy. Now it’s time to re-up on the contract which both will want primo dollars for a contract based on being healthy. Derek Henry will soon join the club. What team wants to be in this position? An elite running back can absolutely impact the game but they’re very few and far between and the risks associated are just not worth the investment for a work horse back. Not when you can platoon multiple styles with nearly no contractual risk. Edited October 22, 2022 by KzooMike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Would it be better that we waste 4-5 picks on a washed up injured prone RB?? not correct huh?? I mean, CMC has more than double the touches of Moss/Cook right now this season.... But I guess the Cody Ford's and Zack Moss' and Zay Jones' and James Cooks' of the world are just too valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Why do I feel like this already happened two years ago? Wish him well anyway, his 2018 season was insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 3 hours ago, QCity said: Yes. 100% Yes. The pittance we are spending on our 3 RBs allows us to allocate money to the true skill positions (i.e. Miller, Diggs). We also have built in redundancy in case one of our RB's gets injured. When your star RB on a ~$60M contract goes down - and they often due, your season is essentially over. If Singletary goes down, we don't have a suitable replacement. It would be a significant loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Would it be better that we waste 4-5 picks on a washed up injured prone RB?? not correct huh?? What are you talking about? That’s TWO seasons. Just like I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 I didn't even know Todd Gurley was still in football. I thought General irrelevance as a pro is what happened to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsBytheBay said: I didn't even know Todd Gurley was still in football. I thought General irrelevance as a pro is what happened to him. I agree. And if you’re going to bow out mid season why not wait until halftime of an important game like a real professional? 😉 Edited October 22, 2022 by SoCal Deek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 About as bad as I feel for a nfl player. Dude was arguably the best player in football for a period. He is the prime example of why every player should get every cent they can when they played. I also remember having Gurley and AB in multiple keepers leagues 5 years ago and counting winnings. 😌 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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