Spotlight on Roger Saffold---WTF is he doing on the 98 yard TD pass?

[Big Turk]

Watching the reverse angle on that play and Allen is pretty close to being sacked for a safety due to Saffold going to double team nobody and leaving a guy in front of him with a clear path to the QB.  

 

Now, granted, this could have been how they decide to block it up because Bates has nobody to block(the Steeler player in front of him doesn't rush and kind of just stands there and Morse ends up sort of coming off his block to get a piece of that defender, but it was more like he steered the Pittsburgh defender he was blocking into the way of the other guy and bumped him off course.  That defender actually gets a hit on Allen on the play but it doesn't matter because...well Josh Allen is freaking Josh Allen.

 

Just seems really weird to block it up like that when Dawkins had his man stonewalled...I would have to think Saffold was supposed to block the dude that hit Allen on that play??

 

@HoofHearted any thoughts?

 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Big Turk

[FireChans]

Roger Saffold flat out SUCKS.

 

may be the worst player on offense

Edited October 10, 2022 by FireChans

[Kwai San]

No doubt he could be MUCH much better.......ugh!

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

They need to put Bates back to LG where he belongs and have Quessenberry start at RG. Instant upgrade at 2 positions without having to make a trade.

 

[WideNine]

5 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Watching the reverse angle on that play and Allen is pretty close to being sacked for a safety due to Saffold going to double team nobody and leaving a guy in front of him with a clear path to the QB.  

 

Now, granted, this could have been how they decide to block it up because Bates has nobody to block(the Steeler player in front of him doesn't rush and kid of just stands there and Morse ends up sort of coming off his block to get a piece of that defender, but it was more like he steered the Pittsburgh defender he was blocking into the way of the other guy and bumped him off course.  That defender actually gets a hit on Allen on the play but it doesn't matter because...well Josh Allen is freaking Josh Allen.

 

Just seems really weird to block it up like that when Dawkins had his man stonewalled...I would have to think Saffold was supposed to block the dude that hit Allen on that play??

 

@HoofHearted any thoughts?

 

 

 

Looks like a delayed blitz.

 

Peeburgh does that a lot. Without a man in front of him Saffold tries to help out Dawkins.

 

Not sure if the protection scheme is designed that way or just a bad adjustment by Saffold or another OL player.

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by WideNine

[Royale with Cheese]

It seems to be Minkah has a read on that play.  If Saffold stays focused on him, Minkahdoesn't go.  Saffold didn't see Minkah coming on a blitz and then turns to help out Dawkins.  Once Minkah sees him move towards Dawkins, he then goes.

 

Allen has pretty good protection most of the day yesterday.

Edited October 10, 2022 by Royale with Cheese

[extrahammer]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

 

Just seems really weird to block it up like that when Dawkins had his man stonewalled...I would have to think Saffold was supposed to block the dude that hit Allen on that play??

 

@HoofHearted any thoughts?

 

 

 

This is why I'm glad we have coaches and not fans running the team. 

 

[HoofHearted]

16 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Watching the reverse angle on that play and Allen is pretty close to being sacked for a safety due to Saffold going to double team nobody and leaving a guy in front of him with a clear path to the QB.  

 

Now, granted, this could have been how they decide to block it up because Bates has nobody to block(the Steeler player in front of him doesn't rush and kid of just stands there and Morse ends up sort of coming off his block to get a piece of that defender, but it was more like he steered the Pittsburgh defender he was blocking into the way of the other guy and bumped him off course.  That defender actually gets a hit on Allen on the play but it doesn't matter because...well Josh Allen is freaking Josh Allen.

 

Just seems really weird to block it up like that when Dawkins had his man stonewalled...I would have to think Saffold was supposed to block the dude that hit Allen on that play??

 

@HoofHearted any thoughts?

 

 

It's a half slide protection. Basically you lock the backside tackle (RT) and every other Offensive Lineman is responsible for the gap to their left. The Backs will insert backside B gap looking inside/out. Saffold is responsible for the left side B gap - when he see's the defender back up at the snap he is no longer a B gap threat and so he works to double to his gap. Morse is ultimately responsible for passing off his block to Bates so that he can work to that left side A gap if something shows.

[LabattBlue]

Beane really needs to stop dumpster diving in regards to the IOL.  A 1st or 2nd round pick on a guard who can transition to center would be nice…and then another OG on Day 3. 

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Roger Saffold flat out SUCKS.

 

may be the worst player on offense

 

Second to Ryan Bates

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Beane really needs to stop dumpster diving in regards to the IOL.  A 1st or 2nd round pick on a guard who can transition to center would be nice…and then another OG on Day 3. 

He was a big time FA signing. Just a whiff 

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Second to Ryan Bates

Bring back Ike!

[TBBills]

29 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Watching the reverse angle on that play and Allen is pretty close to being sacked for a safety due to Saffold going to double team nobody and leaving a guy in front of him with a clear path to the QB.  

 

Now, granted, this could have been how they decide to block it up because Bates has nobody to block(the Steeler player in front of him doesn't rush and kind of just stands there and Morse ends up sort of coming off his block to get a piece of that defender, but it was more like he steered the Pittsburgh defender he was blocking into the way of the other guy and bumped him off course.  That defender actually gets a hit on Allen on the play but it doesn't matter because...well Josh Allen is freaking Josh Allen.

 

Just seems really weird to block it up like that when Dawkins had his man stonewalled...I would have to think Saffold was supposed to block the dude that hit Allen on that play??

 

@HoofHearted any thoughts?

 

 

YOU do know it was b.c it was a delayed blitz so his job was 1 then 2, 1 didnt move so he went to 2.

[Dan Darragh]

Looking at that play for the 90th time, it looks like Shakir was also open and could have taken it to the house.

[UKBillFan]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Second to Ryan Bates

 

Would like to see Bates at LG again before completely writing him off.

[Ralonzo]

Did anyone else see Bobby Hart getting reps as eligible tackle? I'm tellin' ya he's born again hard and will take someone's job. 

[without a drought]

Too bad that play didn't work out.

 

 

I mean it's not as bad as an almost fumble, but it's pretty close.

[Goin Breakdown]

I'm not trying to dismiss that perhaps and maybe he messed up, but I mean like ya said maybe it was drawn up like that or maybe a delayed blitz. I'm happy things worked out the way they did though. What a game. 0 sacks and what?....like 3 pressures all game. I think the dudes did good.....Pass pro

Edited October 10, 2022 by Goin Breakdown

[Herc11]

So much judgement by fans who don't even know what his blocking responsibility was on that play

[FilthyBeast]

Saffold was dumped by the Titans for a reason.

 

Hopefully his play improves to serviceable as the season progresses but he's by far the worst olineman on the team and looks like a bad FA move along with Settle and Crowder.

[Ralonzo]

Maybe they should have kept Minkah back as deep over instead of delayed blitzing. He can run with Davis and provide blanket coverage, right?

[HerdMentality]

Speculation:

 

With our passing game, and our lack of running game, and our offensive line compared to the Chiefs' offensive line, would it actually be better for the Bills to play the 2023 AFC Championship in warmer weather at Arrowhead in late January instead of on the frozen tundra in Buffalo? 🤒

Edited October 10, 2022 by HerdMentality

[Warcodered]

Probably getting a stitch in his side trying to get down field for the extra point.

[LabattBlue]

9 minutes ago, HerdMentality said:

Speculation:

 

With our passing game, and our lack of running game, and our offensive line compared to the Chiefs' offensive line, would it actually be better for the Bills to play the 2023 AFC Championship in warmer weather at Arrowhead in late January instead of on the frozen tundra in Buffalo? 🤒

No.  No. No.  Stop day drinking.

57 minutes ago, FireChans said:

He was a big time FA signing. Just a whiff 

Bring back Ike!

1 year, 6mil is a "big time signing"?  I don't think so.  The refusal of Beane and McD to use Day 1 and Day 2 draft pick on the IOL is maddening.

[MJS]

Not sure what the blocking assignments were. That's what is hard about these plays.

 

But the play worked out.

[Big Turk]

18 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

No.  No. No.  Stop day drinking.

1 year, 6mil is a "big time signing"?  I don't think so.  The refusal of Beane and McD to use Day 1 and Day 2 draft pick on the IOL is maddening.

 

They drafted Cody Ford in round 2, it just didn't work.

[extrahammer]

44 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Saffold was dumped by the Titans for a reason.

 

Hopefully his play improves to serviceable as the season progresses but he's by far the worst olineman on the team and looks like a bad FA move along with Settle and Crowder.

Titans also traded away their best WR and made the Eagles a powerhouse. 

Edited October 10, 2022 by extrahammer

[Herc11]

38 minutes ago, HerdMentality said:

Speculation:

 

With our passing game, and our lack of running game, and our offensive line compared to the Chiefs' offensive line, would it actually be better for the Bills to play the 2023 AFC Championship in warmer weather at Arrowhead in late January instead of on the frozen tundra in Buffalo? 🤒

NEWS FLASH: It's cold in Kansas City in January and February too

[LabattBlue]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

They drafted Cody Ford in round 2, it just didn't work.

Drafted as a RT.  Busted there, and then busted as a OG.

[YattaOkasan]

Is there a problem with Pass Pro?  I think its been good to great.  Light years ahead of where it was last year at this time.  Could things be a bit better? Yes.  Should we make a high investment? Yes.  But I feel better that Josh is not just running for his life like he did in the early part of last year.

[Boatdrinks]

41 minutes ago, HerdMentality said:

Speculation:

 

With our passing game, and our lack of running game, and our offensive line compared to the Chiefs' offensive line, would it actually be better for the Bills to play the 2023 AFC Championship in warmer weather at Arrowhead in late January instead of on the frozen tundra in Buffalo? 🤒

I’d definitely prefer the game to be in Orchard Park …IF it’s not windy. Like it or not, Josh has a few throws where he misjudges the wind when there’s enough to be a factor. Still amazing and I’d take him over any QB out there. It’s just that nagging sense that in a close game vs a top opponent those couple misses could be costly. 

[Bob in STL]

42 minutes ago, HerdMentality said:

Speculation:

 

With our passing game, and our lack of running game, and our offensive line compared to the Chiefs' offensive line, would it actually be better for the Bills to play the 2023 AFC Championship in warmer weather at Arrowhead in late January instead of on the frozen tundra in Buffalo? 🤒

A January game in KC will not be warm.  Believe it or not, Buffalo's average temperatures in January are only slightly lower than KC's.  

 

Aren't you sick of losing playoff games at Arrowhead?  We need the game to be played at home.   

[Royale with Cheese]

50 minutes ago, HerdMentality said:

Speculation:

 

With our passing game, and our lack of running game, and our offensive line compared to the Chiefs' offensive line, would it actually be better for the Bills to play the 2023 AFC Championship in warmer weather at Arrowhead in late January instead of on the frozen tundra in Buffalo? 🤒

 

-6 degrees.

 

 

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, Allen2Diggs said:

They need to put Bates back to LG where he belongs and have Quessenberry start at RG. Instant upgrade at 2 positions without having to make a trade.

 

Thats a pretty dam good idea.  Saffold looks pretty much done at this point.  Once Boettger is healthy, maybe they can just cut Saffold.  

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, Ralonzo said:

Did anyone else see Bobby Hart getting reps as eligible tackle? I'm tellin' ya he's born again hard and will take someone's job. 

Who’s ?

[Da webster guy]

Can't judge interior linemen on single plays like that.   Blocking assignments can be complex and we aren't privy to what was called there.

 

The real test is coming this sunday in KC.   If Chiefs Dline can get push up the middle it ends up being a tough go for Josh because he starts to bail out earlier as the game goes on, and when that happens he starts taking more shots.   I like Dorsey over Daboll because I feel like he's more sensitive to Josh's well being with the calls after we have a decent lead.

 

Gonna need to have a big day from the boys in the trenches, we'll see what we're made of....

[Lofton80]

I thought it was one of Saffold's best games. Bates does look different at RG. 

[YattaOkasan]

11 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Can't judge interior linemen on single plays like that.   Blocking assignments can be complex and we aren't privy to what was called there.

 

The real test is coming this sunday in KC.   If Chiefs Dline can get push up the middle it ends up being a tough go for Josh because he starts to bail out earlier as the game goes on, and when that happens he starts taking more shots.   I like Dorsey over Daboll because I feel like he's more sensitive to Josh's well being with the calls after we have a decent lead.

 

Gonna need to have a big day from the boys in the trenches, we'll see what we're made of....

Agree on Dorsey.  Feel as if he has schemed to neutralize the likes of Donald, Simmons, and Heyward.  All three of them are forces up the middle getting after the QB.  Quick game is the perfect scheme to neutralize those type of players.

[Big Turk]

22 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

A January game in KC will not be warm.  Believe it or not, Buffalo's average temperatures in January are only slightly lower than KC's.  

 

Aren't you sick of losing playoff games at Arrowhead?  We need the game to be played at home.   

 

I believe it because Buffalo is near water, which will usually be warmer than the surrounding land and help keep temps warmer than they otherwise would be.  KC is surrounded by land, so they don't have that benefit even though they are further south.  When I was in Ohio, some of the coldest temps I have ever been in were in this little town called Mount Gilead which was in the middle of nowhere about 45 minutes north of Columbus and it would regularly be like -5 or -8 there in the mornings when I left for work. Fingers felt like fish sticks they were so cold and my bones hurt.  Could not imagine living in places like Minnesota, North Dakota or even places in NYS like Watertown or Lake Placid where it routinely gets in the --20s and -30s without wind chills in the winter---AND they get Buffalo amounts of snow on top of it, unlike most of the other colder places in the upper Midwest.

[extrahammer]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I believe it because Buffalo is near water, which will usually be warmer than the surrounding land and help keep temps warmer than they otherwise would be.  KC is surrounded by land, so they don't have that benefit even though they are further south.  When I was in Ohio, some of the coldest temps I have ever been in were in this little town called Mount Gilead which was in the middle of nowhere about 45 minutes north of Columbus and it would regularly be like -5 or -8 there in the mornings when I left for work. Fingers felt like fish sticks they were so cold and my bones hurt.  Could not imagine living in places like Minnesota, North Dakota or even places in NYS like Watertown or Lake Placid where it routinely gets in the --20s and -30s without wind chills in the winter---AND they get Buffalo amounts of snow on top of it, unlike most of the other colder places in the upper Midwest.

 

Yeah but are you a meteorologist? 🤔

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

Yeah but are you a meteorologist? 🤔

 

Nope, but I majored in it for 2 years at a top 10 Meteorology School before switching majors. 

 

Does that make me an expert?

No.

Does that mean I know a hell of a lot more than the average person walking around?

Yes.