FireChans Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 So Dabs was killed here, often, about the lack of running game when he was out OC. Of course, he had Butterfingers Singles and Cement Block Moss at RB. Now he goes to NY, and he gets a quality RB like Barkley (who isn’t even THAT quality considering his last few season after a great rookie campaign) and BAM. Leading rusher in the NFL. Career resurgence. So maybe, just maybe, our lack of RB production wasn’t because of Daboll or Dorsey. And maybe our GM knows this which is why we have been dumping mid round picks to try to find SOMEONE decent at RB for the last 4 years. 3 1 3 1 4 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) Let me ask you a question. If you had Barkley and Jones as your two main offensive players, which player would YOU rather have with the ball in their hands? Pretty sure if he has a QB like Allen the offense wouldn't be going through Barkley. He is doing it out of necessity. When will people understand the Bills simply pay lip service to the running game and then put the ball in Allen's hand? You should change the title to "See what you do when you have a great RB and no QB?" Edited October 9, 2022 by Big Turk 21 2 9 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Let me ask you a question. If you had Barkley and Jones as your two main offensive players, which player would YOU rather have with the ball in their hands? Pretty sure if he has a QB like Allen the offense wouldn't be going through Barkley. He is doing it out of necessity. When will people understand the Bills simply pay lip service to the running game and then put the ball in Allen's hand? You are right about one thing in this post. The offense would not go through Barkley. However…don’t think for one second that the threat of Barkley wouldn’t open up much more with the offense. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, whorlnut said: You are right about one thing in this post. The offense would not go through Barkley. However…don’t think for one second that the threat of Barkley wouldn’t open up much more with the offense. The Bills have been among the highest scoring teams in the NFL over the past 3 years and still people find things to complain about... Realistically I don't think people would be happy if we had the entire all-pro team playing for us. 3 1 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) Of the giants games I have seen, their line run blocks pretty well. We need to improve our run blocking here. Statistically, I think our running backs get hit more behind the line than any other team in the league. Edited October 9, 2022 by Miyagi-Do Karate 2 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Of the giants games I have seen, their line run blocks pretty well. We need to improve our run blocking here. Statistically, I think our running backs get hit more behind the line than any other team in the league. The o-line got destroyed against the Cowboys. And Feliciano looked pretty bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 A bottom 5 QB and a top 5 RB…is there any coordinator in the league that wouldn’t lean heavily on the run game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Breakout Squad said: The o-line got destroyed against the Cowboys. And Feliciano looked pretty bad. yeah, I haven’t seen a ton of their games. But on the runs I have seen where Barkley rips one off, the blocking always seems good. i have just been disappointed with Kromer. I thought he would really revolutionize our run blocking this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Maybe, just maybe, you’re still an idiot. I’m not saying you are. But maybe 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: yeah, I haven’t seen a ton of their games. But on the runs I have seen where Barkley rips one off, the blocking always seems good. i have just been disappointed with Kromer. I thought he would really revolutionize our run blocking this year. in regards to Kromer, not much to work with here and injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 The Giants have 3 points and Barkley has 6 touches for 10 yards. Well-timed observation. 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Let me ask you a question. If you had Barkley and Jones as your two main offensive players, which player would YOU rather have with the ball in their hands? Pretty sure if he has a QB like Allen the offense wouldn't be going through Barkley. He is doing it out of necessity. When will people understand the Bills simply pay lip service to the running game and then put the ball in Allen's hand? You should change the title to "See what you do when you have a great RB and no QB?" Let's be fair to Daniel Jones, he has ANY, NONE, ZERO weapons at the receiver position. I believe Daboll keeps Jones as his QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Let me ask you a question. If you had Barkley and Jones as your two main offensive players, which player would YOU rather have with the ball in their hands? Pretty sure if he has a QB like Allen the offense wouldn't be going through Barkley. He is doing it out of necessity. When will people understand the Bills simply pay lip service to the running game and then put the ball in Allen's hand? You should change the title to "See what you do when you have a great RB and no QB?" There generally agree with this. I do think the Bills have a plan of going IOL early and often in the 2023 draft. For whatever reason we just seem to not be able to get it right the way we have been other position groups. I think part of that is McBeane and part is Daboll. Kudos to KD for upgrading to Kromer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Lewes Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 YPC: Barkley 5.5 Moss 5.3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Simon said: The Giants have 3 points and Barkley has 6 touches for 10 yards. Well-timed observation. 6 touches more than any RB would have in Buffalo under Daboll 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, FireChans said: So Dabs was killed here, often, about the lack of running game when he was out OC. Of course, he had Butterfingers Singles and Cement Block Moss at RB. Now he goes to NY, and he gets a quality RB like Barkley (who isn’t even THAT quality considering his last few season after a great rookie campaign) and BAM. Leading rusher in the NFL. Career resurgence. So maybe, just maybe, our lack of RB production wasn’t because of Daboll or Dorsey. And maybe our GM knows this which is why we have been dumping mid round picks to try to find SOMEONE decent at RB for the last 4 years. Just a little point here that the OC of the NY Giants is not Brian Daboll. It is Mike Kafka, who left a position as QB coach for the KC Chiefs to become Daboll's OC. Anyone who thinks he left Mahomes to become Daboll's dingleberry or robotic extension can think again. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Yeah they look better than the Bills 😂 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) And with that reject Jose' Feliciano playing center! Why the noive.... Edited October 9, 2022 by Freddie's Dead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) You know he does not call the plays right? What is he able to do exactly? What would he do if he had a real nfl quart back? Any decent coach uses the talent he has based on what they do well Edited October 9, 2022 by Matt_In_NH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mango said: I do think the Bills have a plan of going IOL early and often in the 2023 draft. For whatever reason we just seem to not be able to get it right the way we have been other position groups. a large part of the issue is that they haven’t made it a priority in the draft. As you mention I think everyone expects probably at least 3 day 1 and 2 o-lineman selected over the next two drafts as we start to make it a priority. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: a large part of the issue is that they haven’t made it a priority in the draft. As you mention I think everyone expects probably at least 3 day 1 and 2 o-lineman selected over the next two drafts as we start to make it a priority. I think Poyer being so incredibly lights out plus Hyde’s serious neck injury mean they re-sign Poyer so that they can keep the focus on OL this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 51 minutes ago, FireChans said: So Dabs was killed here, often, about the lack of running game when he was out OC. Of course, he had Butterfingers Singles and Cement Block Moss at RB. Now he goes to NY, and he gets a quality RB like Barkley (who isn’t even THAT quality considering his last few season after a great rookie campaign) and BAM. Leading rusher in the NFL. Career resurgence. So maybe, just maybe, our lack of RB production wasn’t because of Daboll or Dorsey. And maybe our GM knows this which is why we have been dumping mid round picks to try to find SOMEONE decent at RB for the last 4 years. he’s on pace to rush for 110yards today…and lose by 30. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mango said: I think Poyer being so incredibly lights out plus Hyde’s serious neck injury mean they re-sign Poyer so that they can keep the focus on OL this draft. Hopefully after Rd 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Definitely thread worthy. LOL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 It’s the offensive lines…we’ve been much worse in run blocking than the giants…Andrew Thomas has been insanely good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) Do we all see what happens when people like the OP doesn't understand different situations... best QB in the league vs Jones, I wonder why Barkely gets the touches? Different O-Lines set up, one built for passing one built for Running. Edited October 9, 2022 by TBBills 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said: It’s the offensive lines…we’ve been much worse in run blocking than the giants…Andrew Thomas has been insanely good Kromer trying to get the Bills to be a zone blocking team...not going so well yet. However, most of it is small details screwing things up...at some point it will likely click for the players and we will see some improvement...my guess is by mid season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 When your best players are Richie James, Danny Bellinger, Daniel Jones… And we’re surprised they are a run first team? Before today they have roughly 40 more rush attempts. Weird they’d have better rush stats with more attempts every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Dude has no other options. Team sucks aside from Barkley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 58 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Let me ask you a question. If you had Barkley and Jones as your two main offensive players, which player would YOU rather have with the ball in their hands? Pretty sure if he has a QB like Allen the offense wouldn't be going through Barkley. He is doing it out of necessity. When will people understand the Bills simply pay lip service to the running game and then put the ball in Allen's hand? You should change the title to "See what you do when you have a great RB and no QB?" Why has Barkley sucked with no QB before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Hopefully after Rd 2 I hav no problem with Buffalo going OL at 32. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 38 minutes ago, Simon said: The Giants have 3 points and Barkley has 6 touches for 10 yards. Well-timed observation. And now he has 7 rushes for 55 yards lmao thats why we don’t live in the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: And now he has 7 rushes for 55 yards lmao thats why we don’t live in the moment But you did that with this thread... not taking into account the variables Daboll has to work with. Edited October 9, 2022 by TBBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mango said: I hav no problem with Buffalo going OL at 32. I see what you did there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Why has Barkley sucked with no QB before? Uh, he hasn't? Rookie year he rushed for over 1300 yards and 5.0 YPC, second year he had over 1000 yards and 4.6 YPC. Then he got hurt early in the following year, came back the year after and wasn't right yet, like most players who have ACL injuries. Now he is back to full strength with a good OC and is back to playing like his rookie year. Stop trying to write a narrative to fit your opinion instead of seeing what's actually there. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, TBBills said: But you did that with this thread... not taking into account the variables Daboll has to work with. He leads the league in rushing bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Just now, FireChans said: He leads the league in rushing bro You don't understand... it's why you made this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Uh, he hasn't? Rookie year he rushed for over 1300 yards and 5.0 YPC, second year he had over 1000 yards and 4.6 YPC. Then he got hurt early in the following year, came back the year after and wasn't right yet, like most players who have ACL injuries. Now he is back to full strength with a good OC and is back to playing like his rookie year. Stop trying to write a narrative to fit your opinion instead of seeing what's actually there. He has the best YPC of his career, coming off the WORST YPC of his career. That’s Daboll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Just now, FireChans said: He has the best YPC of his career, coming off the WORST YPC of his career. That’s Daboll Partially. And partially he is fully healthy following the ACL. It's also a 4 game sample size, things can change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mango said: I hav no problem with Buffalo going OL at 32. How'd we get the 1st pick in the 2nd rnd?😉 At this point, I'd almost be fine with OL 1,2 and 3rd rnd...😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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