Tremaine Must Remain

[MarlinTheMagician]

I don't think there has been a Bills player that has been more polarizing on this board, or in the fan base, since 2018.  I too have been frustrated with the failures on run fits and the apparent lack of instinct blitzing and against the run.  Starting now, I officially swear off on all of that.  Having watched him closely this year, I am an unrepentant Edmunds fan.  We need to sign him.  While he gets plenty of attention from opposing coaches and national media, I think he is somewhat unsung and definitely under-appreciated by The Mafia.  He is a huge difference maker and has really upped his game.  We need to find the money, as he is a key piece of the core.  One of my favorite Twitter posts was by a Rams fan after the opener:  "The Bills defense is unfair.  They have an actual Terdactyl playing middle linebacker."   We owe this player some love.

[Freddie's Dead]

But he's slow, lacks instincts, can't shed blocks.  Or so I've heard.

[MJS]

I trust Beane. If he thinks Edmunds is worth it and wants to keep him, great. If he wants to move on, I am fine with that. I agree that he gets more hate than he deserves.

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

I don't think there has been a Bills player that has been more polarizing on this board, or in the fan base, since 2018.  I too have been frustrated with the failures on run fits and the apparent lack of instinct blitzing and against the run.  Starting now, I officially swear off on all of that.  Having watched him closely this year, I am an unrepentant Edmunds fan.  We need to sign him.  While he gets plenty of attention from opposing coaches and national media, I think he is somewhat unsung and definitely under-appreciated by The Mafia.  He is a huge difference maker and has really upped his game.  We need to find the money, as he is a key piece of the core.  One of my favorite Twitter posts was by a Rams fan after the opener:  "The Bills defense is unfair.  They have an actual Terdactyl playing middle linebacker."   We owe this player some love.

lol, no.

[DJB]

Oooh an Edmunds thread, been a while since we had one of those 

Edited October 4, 2022 by DJB

[blacklabel]

He's a solid, steady, good player. Might not always make big flashy plays but he's the QB of that defense and his size and athleticism causes issues for QBs throwing over the middle. Does a lot that goes unnoticed. 

Edited October 5, 2022 by blacklabel

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, MJS said:

I trust Beane. If he thinks Edmunds is worth it and wants to keep him, great. If he wants to move on, I am fine with that. I agree that he gets more hate than he deserves.

 

I don't think he WANTS to move on, I think he just can't afford to keep him.  The contract he is going to get will shock a lot of people, IMO.  Edmunds is a huge part of the reason our pass D has been #1 in the NFL for so long...he takes away a lot of the easy over the middle stuff teams get in other games and forces them to make much more difficult plays on balance.  His biggest value isn't what we see on plays he makes, it's the plays that never happen due to his athleticism, ability to drop deep and pattern match routes, even against WR's at times, and wingspan that allows him to get in a lot of passing lanes.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Big Turk

[RiotAct]

okay, Johnny Cochran.

[Heavy Kevi]

I agree. Keep Tremaine. Underrated board whipping boy that everyone else knows is legit. 

 

His size and range can't be taught, and he's a great compliment to Milano

[BringBackFergy]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

I don't think he WANTS to move on, I think he just can't afford to keep him.  The contract he is going to get will shock a lot of people, IMO.  Edmunds is a huge part of the reason our pass D has been #1 in the NFL for so long...he takes away a lot of the easy over the middle stuff teams get in other games and force them to make much more difficult plays on balance.

Can you find me his INT numbers for the last two years? How about his forced fumble numbers or tackles for loss?  I'll wait.

 

Or are you saying he is a "decoy" like Sammy Watkins? His mere presence on the field makes a difference?

[Solomon Grundy]

13 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

I don't think there has been a Bills player that has been more polarizing on this board, or in the fan base, since 2018.  I too have been frustrated with the failures on run fits and the apparent lack of instinct blitzing and against the run.  Starting now, I officially swear off on all of that.  Having watched him closely this year, I am an unrepentant Edmunds fan.  We need to sign him.  While he gets plenty of attention from opposing coaches and national media, I think he is somewhat unsung and definitely under-appreciated by The Mafia.  He is a huge difference maker and has really upped his game.  We need to find the money, as he is a key piece of the core.  One of my favorite Twitter posts was by a Rams fan after the opener:  "The Bills defense is unfair.  They have an actual Terdactyl playing middle linebacker."   We owe this player some love.

Love the title!! 

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

I don't think he WANTS to move on, I think he just can't afford to keep him.  The contract he is going to get will shock a lot of people, IMO.  Edmunds is a huge part of the reason our pass D has been #1 in the NFL for so long...he takes away a lot of the easy over the middle stuff teams get in other games and force them to make much more difficult plays on balance.

If Beane and McDermott view him as critical to this defense, they will pay whatever they need to, even if that means moving on from other players. But I don't think they see it thay way. They likely have a dollar amount set and will not be willing to go over that. It remains to be seen how close that number is to what he can get on the open market.

[Big Turk]

Just now, BringBackFergy said:

Can you find me his INT numbers for the last two years? How about his forced fumble numbers or tackles for loss?  I'll wait.

 

Or are you saying he is a "decoy" like Sammy Watkins? His mere presence on the field makes a difference?

 

I suggest you go watch videos about the Bills coverage schemes which pretty much always have a huge part talking about how important Edmunds is to the success of the pass defense.  Once you do that then we can come back and talk because right now you don't have enough information to have a good discussion.

1 minute ago, MJS said:

If Beane and McDermott view him as critical to this defense, they will pay whatever they need to, even if that means moving on from other players. But I don't think they see it thay way. They likely have a dollar amount set and will not be willing to go over that. It remains to be seen how close that number is to what he can get on the open market.

 

That's how it is for pretty much every player.

[SCBills]

Edmunds is trending towards a priority re-sign.  He's becoming very good.. and has elite potential still. 

 

That said, he's playing behind a Top 3 DL in the NFL and heading into the offseason we will have had a 3rd RD pick in the system for a year.  Not sure what we're doing with Bernard if Edmunds is extended long term.  Good depth, sure, but strange use of draft capital as a top 100 pick. 

[BringBackFergy]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

I suggest you go watch videos about the Bills coverage schemes which pretty much always have a huge part talking about how important Edmunds is to the success of the pass defense.  Once you do that then we can come back and talk because right now you don't have enough information to have a good discussion.

I could get a good look at a t bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'll take the butcher's word for it.

 

Do you actually watch the games or slanted, "expert" analysis? HINT: Joe B. is not an expert.

[buffaloboyinATL]

lol, great thread title.  I agree, he and Milano are awesome together and Edmunds is steadily improving and has not reached his ceiling yet.

[HoofHearted]

Unfortunately, I think he'll be too pricey for us to keep. This board hates him because he doesn't make a ton of splash plays vs the run without an understanding of his role in the run game or how run fits work within our scheme. He's more than just a pass defender and he'll be paid as such.

[Gugny]

4 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Can you find me his INT numbers for the last two years? How about his forced fumble numbers or tackles for loss?  I'll wait.

 

Or are you saying he is a "decoy" like Sammy Watkins? His mere presence on the field makes a difference?

 

Pay no attention to what your eyes see every game.  Just trust that Edmunds is doing exactly what he's being asked to do and try to understand that all of his missed tackles and blocks are by design and that Edmunds is the main reason the rest of the defense is so good.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I could get a good look at a t bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'll take the butcher's word for it.

 

Do you actually watch the games or slanted, "expert" analysis? HINT: Joe B. is not an expert.

 

I watch both.  And I am not talking about Joe B.  Cover 1 does exceptional breakdowns and several other players and/or coaches break down his importance to the Bills pass D.  

 

And unless you are watching All-22 film you wouldn't be able to see what I am referencing.

 

So what your eyes are seeing is simply giving you an incomplete picture.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Big Turk

[benderbender]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

Pay no attention to what your eyes see every game.  Just trust that Edmunds is doing exactly what he's being asked to do and try to understand that all of his missed tackles and blocks are by design and that Edmunds is the main reason the rest of the defense is so good.

Just like Tua's head. Your eyes are so dumb!

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Pay no attention to what your eyes see every game.  Just trust that Edmunds is doing exactly what he's being asked to do and try to understand that all of his missed tackles and blocks are by design and that Edmunds is the main reason the rest of the defense is so good.

 

Watch the All-22, then let's talk.

[BringBackFergy]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

I watch both.  And I am not talking about Joe B.  Cover 1 does exceptional breakdowns and several other players and/or coaches break down his importance to the Bills pass D.  

 

And unless you are watching All-22 film you wouldn't be able to see what I am referencing.

You should edit that post about five more times to make a better case.

[HOUSE]

Wave goodbye,  there is no way to pay Edmunds a competitive Free Agent deal for next year unless you want to gut the team.

[Bangarang]

I’d hate paying him top LB money. 

 

His comp would probably be Fred Werner who got $95mil. I’d vomit.

 

I think he’s reached his ceiling and I don’t care how old he is. I’d let him walk.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Bangarang

[Xerx]

Going to be a lot of people on these boards losing their minds when Edmonds is re-signed with the money created by trading/releasing Milano

[SDS]

Tremaine Edmunds biography: The triumph of low expectations

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

He's still very young

[SDS]

 

[DrDawkinstein]

Absolute credit where it is due, he has been playing great this year. Great to finally see. Caveat: Behind the new, revamped DL.

 

And that caveat makes me wonder if he is even more replaceable now. If he is playing so much better due to the DL, why couldn't someone else who isnt demanding $15M/yr play that spot atan equal level, or even just down to his level last year (but for $1M/yr, looking at you Terrel Bernard)

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

He's still very young

Legend also has it that EJ Manuel is still a rookie because he‘s barely started a full seasons worth of games. 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Bangarang

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

You should edit that post about five more times to make a better case.

 

Don't need to.  When you watch the appropriate film, let me know and we can talk more. Until then, your opinion is invalid to me.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Big Turk

[BringBackFergy]

Ranked 30th in solo tackles and 43rd in assisted tackles. No forced fumbles (have to be initial tackler to force a fumble), no fumble recoveries (isn't around the ball), no tackles for loss, no INT's.  

 

Yeah he's young, but so is my 23 yr old nephew and he could stand in the defensive backfield and watch the play unfold, grapple with a guard and say he did his job well.

[Don Otreply]

The folk that constantly harp on and on about Edmunds are to be ignored on a regular basis, I mean Hell, our golden boy QB has fumbled far to often every season, our best WRs have dropped TD passes, critiquing them? Sure, whining endlessly? That’s for children…, 

 

As stated up thread, I’ll be good with Beane’s direction on his future here with the Bills. 

 

Go Bills!!!

[Brand J]

He’s certainly flowing to the ball much better this season than he ever has. I’ve been critical of his play in the past, too many others explained away his shortcomings just as they did with Star Lotuleile (he eats up blockers/takes on double and triple teams/etc), but it’s nice to see he’s playing up to his potential. There’s still much room for improvement as well. That said, I don’t see any way the Bills afford him AND Ed Oliver and if given the choice between the two I’m going with Oliver. He’s been better at 3DT over the course of his career than Edmunds has been at MLB. Maybe we would’ve had the money had Knox not been extended for that eye-opening amount.

[BullBuchanan]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Watch the All-22, then let's talk.

Does that give you a better view of Edmunds taking bad first steps and getting caught in the trash?

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Does that give you a better view of Edmunds taking bad first steps and getting caught in the trash?

 

Gives you a pretty great view of him pattern matching receivers over the middle of the field and taking them out of the QB's progression.  The obsession about his run D is kinda crazy.  It's a passing league, the Bills have the #1 pass D by miles for the past 2+ years and he is a large part of it.  You can accept this or you don't have to, but if you choose to continue your crusade against him it basically shows you either don't understand football very well or you choose to see what you want to see.

 

I promise you his contract will reflect the value other teams see him bringing in pass defense and not run defense.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Big Turk

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

He’s one of the best coverage MLBs in the league and has been for the past couple years. Not only that, but he’s elevated his game and has become much more physical this year. Seems like he’s makes a handful of impact plays a game. I’m so glad they showed patience and now it’s paying off.

 

And just as important as all of that is his DURABILITY. The guy is iron man. Attendance is just as important as grades.

 

Milano & Edmunds are an awesome tandem. If he isn’t resigned then I will be very very shocked. Homegrown, durable, and a playmaker at the QB position of defense. 

Edited October 4, 2022 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[BringBackFergy]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Don't need to.  When you watch the appropriate film, let me know and we can talk more. Until then, your opinion is invalid to me.

The fact that continue to edit your posts makes me think you have some reservations about what you're saying.  Tremaine is nothing more than a concrete sculpture in a lavish Italian garden...the landscaper has to mow around it, but once you address that obstacle, the rest is easy. He fills a gap. Great. I want something more from a MLB.

[H2o]

I can see into Tremaine's future.....

 

I see.......I see....... I see the Franchise Tag if his play keeps up. 

[Rc2catch]

Most teams hate their MLB… I mentioned in a different thread.. 

Chicago hates Roquan smith and don’t want to pay him. 
Tampa fans were calling David washed up the other night and calling for devin white to only pass rush cause “he sucks in coverage” 

Pittsburgh hates devin bush 

Baltimore is sketchy on Patrick Queen. 
Isaiah Simmons has been getting roasted in Arizona. 
Shaq Leanord can’t even get on the field in Indy without getting hurt. 
 

 

Point being we could certainly do worse. And if/when edmunds leaves it’s not a given his replacement is any form of an upgrade. And then people will just flame his replacement and then go after Beane because he didn’t fix the hole left behind.