Now is the time we need Cook to start playing well

[gobills404]

ITT: A lot of people pretending that Singletary doesn’t also have a fumble and multiple drops on the year. 

[gjv]

From afar he seems confused and tentative. 

[CoudyBills]

9 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

Our WR core is shredded and Cook needs to stop making a few plays so that we can use him as our slot guy and move Shakir to the outside. Cook has been overwhelming so far but I truly have high expectations for him. 

English your 2nd language?

8 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

How many drives should he be allowed to kill with his drops?

As many as Zach Moss

[Meatloaf63]

8 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

They all have proven track records, Cook does not.  He needs to make that catch when given the opportunity, and then he’ll get more chances.

He needs to become a weapon and productive player as other options are gone from injury. What’s Moss’s track record besides averaging 1yard on 1st down carries?  Holding back this rookie is not in the best interest of the team. Benching a player on a rainy day where even your best receiver had drops is poor planning from the coaching staff.

[Royale with Cheese]

I think this is a game where you get him involved.  The Steelers just aren't good.  He needs to get his confidence back.

[Milanos Milano]

7 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

You trade the f up when you can get a stud in a SB run year - especially when your top RB will be a UFA

 

 

We could have drafted everyone we did plus Breece in RD 2 or late RD 1.  Would have cost a 2nd maybe in 2023.  And this year's 2nd.  

Absolutely. I would have easily made moves to secure Hall. Pretty sad when a 5th round pick Shakir is playing better than Cook. 

[aristocrat]

Kid needs more touches. Get his confidence back

[MarlinTheMagician]

Seen about enough of Moss, so I would like to see few more reps for Cook and activation of Duke to see what he can do.  Seems Moss does not have enough vision, quickness or speed.  He is supposed to be a hammer, but he does not seem to excel in picking up short yardage.  Activate Duke for a couple games and see if he can bring some juice, get Cook a little more involved too.

[newcam2012]

8 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Seen about enough of Moss, so I would like to see few more reps for Cook and activation of Duke to see what he can do.  Seems Moss does not have enough vision, quickness or speed.  He is supposed to be a hammer, but he does not seem to excel in picking up short yardage.  Activate Duke for a couple games and see if he can bring some juice, get Cook a little more involved too.

I agree about bringing up Duke from the practice squad. I want Cook to be "the guy" but he's clearly not ready. The NFL game looks to big and fast for him. The Bills are in win it all mode. I think Cook doesn't advance us in this category. Moss just is not the answer. I think he's replaceable. Duke has experience and can catch the ball out of the backfield. I think he might be the second best back the Bills have. Sure he's not great but I think he can contribute more than Cook and Moss. 

Edited October 4, 2022 by newcam2012

[Green Lightning]

With all the WR injuries and pressure packages they are bringing against Josh, it's time to get Cook the ball in space and make DCs account for his speed. Screens and slants to him are what we could use right now. If my option is a Moss three and out series, I'll opt for Cook's ceiling and speed. 

[Warriorspikes51]

We should just put Cook at WR

[Royale with Cheese]

30 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Absolutely. I would have easily made moves to secure Hall. Pretty sad when a 5th round pick Shakir is playing better than Cook. 

Hall is averaging 44 yards per game rushing and 28 yards passing per game.

 

He's not lighting it up lol.  

8 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

You trade the f up when you can get a stud in a SB run year - especially when your top RB will be a UFA

 

 

We could have drafted everyone we did plus Breece in RD 2 or late RD 1.  Would have cost a 2nd maybe in 2023.  And this year's 2nd.  

 

44 yards per game rushing.

28 yards per game in pass receiving.  

 

Not impressive.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

8 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

You trade the f up when you can get a stud in a SB run year - especially when your top RB will be a UFA

 

 

We could have drafted everyone we did plus Breece in RD 2 or late RD 1.  Would have cost a 2nd maybe in 2023.  And this year's 2nd.  

 

Can we not confuse fantasy stats with real life?  The "already has 15 receptions and 27 targets" is not a good stat for actual football.  It's good for fantasy though - he gets targets meaning PPR.  However, he's a running back securing 55% of targets, where 90% of them occur at the LOS.  He has 5 recorded drops in 4 games, and also lost a fumble.  Let's not act like we wouldn't be frustrated as hell with all of that.

 

I'm sure he's played fine - just not sure he is the answer to all that ails this team. 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Bleeding Bills Blue

[Warriorspikes51]

15 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I agree about bringing up Duke from the practice squad. I want Cook to be "the guy" but he's clearly not ready. The NFL game looks to big and fast for him. The Bills are in win it all mode. I think Cook doesn't advance us in this category. Moss just is not the answer. I think he's replaceable. Duke has experience and can catch the ball out of the backfield. I think he might be the second best back the Bills have. Sure he's not great but I think he can contribute more than Cook and Moss. 

Yes. Moss should be inactive. Wouldn't mind giving Duke Johnson a try 

[ChicagoRic]

I just want to see some ENERGY outta the guy.  He reminds me of my orange cat, Cooper, who expends no more energy than is absolutely needed.   Slow to the huddle.  Slow to the sidelines.  His longer stride looks.....slow.  Maybe it's deceptive.  My orange cat can really motor......when it wants to.  But it really really has to want to.  If riding the pine does not light a fire under this guy, maybe a ton of reps will?  What will motivate this guy to start playing like he did in college?

[Milanos Milano]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Hall is averaging 44 yards per game rushing and 28 yards passing per game.

 

He's not lighting it up lol.  

 

44 yards per game rushing.

28 yards per game in pass receiving.  

 

Not impressive.

Considering he’s getting half the attempts and playing with an Oline worse than ours that’s an accomplishment. 

[Pabstblueribbon]

With no Hyde, Crowder, and possibly McKenzie I wouldn't be shocked if Duke is activated for returns alone. Might see a meltdown here if they activate Duke and bench Cook instead of Moss this week lol

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Considering he’s getting half the attempts and playing with an Oline worse than ours that’s an accomplishment. 

What if he played behind the Colts OL?  😂

[Dopey]

5 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

I didn't have high hopes in the kid but thought his production would of been much better. good example of a player struggling to make that transition to the next level. he had a pretty good career with georgia.

 

 

still some time to see if he can play to his highest potential?

It's only been 4 games for the rookie. I would hope so.

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Hall is averaging 44 yards per game rushing and 28 yards passing per game.

 

He's not lighting it up lol.  

 

44 yards per game rushing.

28 yards per game in pass receiving.  

 

Not impressive.

 

 

He's been splitting with Carter

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

He's been splitting with Carter

At least you get it, no sense in arguing with people that aren’t interested in knowing. 

[1onemangang7]

11 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

He has to catch the ball first.

And not fumble after a linebacker feather touches him. 

3 hours ago, gjv said:

From afar he seems confused and tentative. 

Maybe something the dispensary can correct?

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

He's been splitting with Carter

 

I know but that post made it sound he was just exploding.  

 

Even with splitting with Carter, he has more carries than Singletary.  

7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

At least you get it, no sense in arguing with people that aren’t interested in knowing. 

 

That still doesn't prove he's tearing up the league.  

[BullBuchanan]

4 games ago would have been a nice time for cook to start playing well. 4 games from now will also be a nice time for him to start playing well. Really though, I'm not banking on my 3rd string running back to be the make or break piece of my offense. It would have been great if he had stolen the starting job out of camp as a dynamic weapon, but barring that he'll likely be a 2-3 touch per game player until next year when ideally he takes over half (or more) of singletary's job

[Mr. WEO]

It's been 12 hours.  "Now is the time we need"..... another Cook thread!!

[TheBrownBear]

2 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

I just want to see some ENERGY outta the guy.  He reminds me of my orange cat, Cooper, who expends no more energy than is absolutely needed.   Slow to the huddle.  Slow to the sidelines.  His longer stride looks.....slow.  Maybe it's deceptive.  My orange cat can really motor......when it wants to.  But it really really has to want to.  If riding the pine does not light a fire under this guy, maybe a ton of reps will?  What will motivate this guy to start playing like he did in college?

I was just thinking about how Cook had been training with Devin Singletary the past couple of offseasons, and Devin had good things to say about him.  But maybe Devin just talked him up and recommended him to Beane because he knew the kid didn't have what it took to steal his job.  😄

[FilthyBeast]

History has shown that this coaching staff likes to bring along rookies slowly in most cases, especially when they make mistakes or don't execute early which has been Cook's story so far.

 

But now with the current WR depth chart and injury issues, the time is simply now to get him more involved especially since his strength is more of a receiver and why Beane drafted him.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

13 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

Our WR core is shredded and Cook needs to stop making a few plays so that we can use him as our slot guy and move Shakir to the outside. Cook has been overwhelming so far but I truly have high expectations for him. 

I'm in the camp that it shouldn't be this hard. 

 

It wasn't hard against the Titans when suddenly he got 11 carries. 

 

Or against the Dolphins when he was magically on the field for 11 plays and got the ball 4 times. 

 

With all that said, he hasn't helped himself. Of course the fumble, the drop in Miami, the drop against Baltimore. 

 

 

 

I think the compromise should be he plays ahead of Zack Moss.

 

Right now Moss has 16 carries on the year, 4 per game. 

 

Of those 16 carries, 8 have been for negative, 0 or 1 yard. 

 

 

 

 

[BurpleBull]

My skepticism of Cook being selected where he was in the draft probably doesn't sound too crazy now to those who questioned me questioning the pick before the season jumped off.

 

Didn't like the Moss pick when it went down when a large percentage of folk were clamoring for him to be the guy; I'm in the exact same place with Cook. Perhaps it will take more underwhelming production before folks begin changing their tune as they've done with Moss.

 

 

Funny thing is Moss is being crucified right now when it should actually be Cook for not doing enough to stay on the field, and not wowing anyone when gets on the field.

 

 

Good catcher is Cook, but I honestly don't see him ever as being much more...just doesn't seem to have the mentality that molds good players into great players.

 

 

[Jauronimo]

6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Hall is averaging 44 yards per game rushing and 28 yards passing per game.

 

He's not lighting it up lol.  

 

44 yards per game rushing.

28 yards per game in pass receiving.  

 

Not impressive.

Fantasy points win super bowls!

[BillsfaninSB]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

It's been 12 hours.  "Now is the time we need"..... another Cook thread!!

Edmunds approves of all Cook threads on TBD. 

[Aurelius]

15 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

They all have proven track records, Cook does not.  He needs to make that catch when given the opportunity, and then he’ll get more chances.

More reason he can’t be yanked after one mistake.  He’s a rookie and is on a big stage now.  How can any new player get any confidence that way?  I frankly think this is in McDermott.  It took both Singletary and Moss years to get going under McDermott as well and I don’t like how Cook is getting yanked forever after a mistake.  I think it’s partially the tough early season schedule as well, but we are gonna need him down the stretch.  Pittsburgh might be the right game to get him started a bit. 

[BBills_88]

Can we be patience with the rookie, he will be fine.  We went through this with Josh, Edmonds, Oliver, Knox. 

 

Let the kid develop.

 

[Aurelius]

1 minute ago, BBills_88 said:

Can we be patience with the rookie, he will be fine.  We went through this with Josh, Edmonds, Oliver, Knox. 

 

Let the kid develop.

 

Totally agree.  People saying he “doesn’t have the mentality” seems a bit crazy to me after 13 carries on the season.  I think he’s gonna be a beast once he gets going.  Get him more involved in passes and plays in the open field. 

[Bruffalo]

3 minutes ago, BBills_88 said:

Can we be patience with the rookie, he will be fine.  We went through this with Josh, Edmonds, Oliver, Knox. 

 

Let the kid develop.

 

Meaningful snaps is development though.

 

I guess watching Moss run into his own lineman for -1 yard and telling Cook "You see that? Don't do that" is also development in a way. 

[BillsfaninSB]

14 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

You trade the f up when you can get a stud in a SB run year - especially when your top RB will be a UFA

 

 

We could have drafted everyone we did plus Breece in RD 2 or late RD 1.  Would have cost a 2nd maybe in 2023.  And this year's 2nd.  

Bills had no choice but to take a CB.   They would have had to give up a lot to get back into the 1st round to get in front of the Jets and find a willing partner.   I’m not sure two late 2nd round picks would have got the job done.  Who knows, maybe they tried. 

[Big Blitz]

Just now, BillsfaninSB said:

Bills had no choice but to take a CB.   They would have had to give up a lot to get back into the 1st round to get in front of the Jets and find a willing partner.   I’m not sure two late 2nd round picks would have got the job done.  Who knows, maybe they tried. 

 

 

I said evert pick could have stayed the same that includes Elam I would not have done anything else.

 

I wanted to move up in RD2 or very late RD1 for Hall within reason.    

[Big Blitz]

I would have packaged pick 63 and a pick next year to get to pick 33-36 if Hall was still on the board.   

 

I have to think Tampa or Tennessee might have done that. 

 

I think the Jets traded up a few picks to get Hall if I'm not mistaken.  

[HurlyBurly51]

24 minutes ago, Aurelius said:

More reason he can’t be yanked after one mistake.  He’s a rookie and is on a big stage now.  How can any new player get any confidence that way?  I frankly think this is in McDermott.  It took both Singletary and Moss years to get going under McDermott as well and I don’t like how Cook is getting yanked forever after a mistake.  I think it’s partially the tough early season schedule as well, but we are gonna need him down the stretch.  Pittsburgh might be the right game to get him started a bit. 

He is a rookie from a major program, has been through camp and preseason, and been given touches, especially in garbage time.  He can be given time to develop, but not at the expense of the team.  No one rookie is bigger than the team.  Time to execute, make a play, and he gets more time.  If not, try again next week.  Maybe he can get some tips from his fellow draftee Shakir, who though he went 3 rounds lower doesn't seem to have a problem when given a chance.

[Billz4ever]

17 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

I'm all for elevating Duke and inactivating Cook for a game.

 

Why?

 

So Duke can get 1 touch a game just like Cook?