Week 5: Steelers at Bills 10/9 1pm

[Scott7975]

15 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

 

1 Cam Newton 75

2 Steve Young 43

3 Jack Kemp 40

4 Kordell Stewart 38

5 (tie)Tobin Rote 37

  Steve McNair 37

7 Michael Vick 36

8 (tie)Steve Grogan 35

   Randall Cunningham 35

10 (tie)Daunte Culpepper 34

   Aaron Rodgers 34

[CorkScrewHill]

This is so Belechickian … our new practice squad WR was only released from his previous practice squad role on Tuesday .. his previous team … the Pittsburgh Steelers. He had been with them since September 7. I am certain that we will not use his knowledge of the Steelers to our advantage :). Nice one McBeane.

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/05/buffalo-bills-sign-jaquarii-roberson-steelers/

 

Heck you can even buy a Jaquarii Roberson #6 Pittsburgh Steelers jersey if you are one of those twisted types

 

https://www.nflshop.com/mens_nike_jaquarii_roberson_black_pittsburgh_steelers_game_player_jersey/t-36049350+o-4694+d-457344450+f-5063040+z-9-4072350237?utm_medium=cse&_s=ak1944nfl-bing&sku=18854471&msclkid=339e43df040d1d87953a20e171fb7fe7
 

probably not a hot item

Edited October 6, 2022 by CorkScrewHill

[CSBill]

2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

1 Cam Newton 75

2 Steve Young 43

3 Jack Kemp 40

4 Kordell Stewart 38

5 (tie)Tobin Rote 37

  Steve McNair 37

7 Michael Vick 36

8 (tie)Steve Grogan 35

   Randall Cunningham 35

10 (tie)Daunte Culpepper 34

   Aaron Rodgers 34

 

He could be 2nd by the end of the season. If not this year, next.

[eball]

9 hours ago, Bills2022 said:

 

If that moron Urban Meyer can beat us 9-6, anyone can beat us.  Never take anyone lightly in the NFL.  The Steelers A game vs our B game will result in a Steelers victory.

 

Coach Meyer's Postgame Speech After Win Against Bills | Jacksonville Jaguars - YouTube

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6mVL6Qyydk

 

 

“Remember the Jags” — the mantra for every sad sack Bills fan in existence.

 

[wjag]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

That's a very good point.  And Josh had to be hella tired as well - he was the team's leading rusher

 

 

 

 

The world saw him skip a pass to McKenzie.  What the world won’t acknowledge is that only TWO players were on the field for all 90 plays.  Dion and Josh.  Sure their defense was tired, but they were rotating people.  Josh was running it and throwing it north of 60 times.  He was spent.  He couldn’t come out of the game.  And that throw proved it.  The narrative will continue that he missed a wide open guy to win the game.  I saw Nick Wright use that pass as a reason Josh should not be MVP.  Others will to when they try to make a point.  Don’t acknowledge the forest, just focus on a single tree.  

[eball]

11 minutes ago, wjag said:

The world saw him skip a pass to McKenzie.  What the world won’t acknowledge is that only TWO players were on the field for all 90 plays.  Dion and Josh.  Sure their defense was tired, but they were rotating people.  Josh was running it and throwing it north of 60 times.  He was spent.  He couldn’t come out of the game.  And that throw proved it.  The narrative will continue that he missed a wide open guy to win the game.  I saw Nick Wright use that pass as a reason Josh should not be MVP.  Others will to when they try to make a point.  Don’t acknowledge the forest, just focus on a single tree.  

 

I think I read somewhere that the ball slipped out of Josh’s hand…am I dreaming?  I haven’t gone back to watch the play.

 

[Franco_92]

11 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:

It’s the NFL and no team should be of the mindset teams are going to lay down for them. Steelers are a proud franchise so the Bills better come out ready and prepared. No time for a let down.

 

On a separate note, I saw a stat that Josh has FOUR fumbles this year. I’m aware of the MIA one but don’t recall the other three. That certainly has to improve!

I believe the others are all messed up snaps, 2 of them with van roten

[Coach Tuesday]

Bates has been abysmal this season.  He needs to step up.  He’s the worst player on the team by a huge margin.

[Greg S]

Saw this in a week 5 picks newspaper.

 

 

Bills 31, Steelers 14: The Steelers pick Buffalo for Kenny Pickett’s first NFL start? May as well put him in a barrel and send him over nearby Niagara Falls. Line: Bils -14

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

Saw this in a week 5 picks newspaper.

 

 

Bills 31, Steelers 14: The Steelers pick Buffalo for Kenny Pickett’s first NFL start? May as well put him in a barrel and send him over nearby Niagara Falls. Line: Bils -14

Hopefully he's more beat up in the game than he would be going over the falls.

[JMM]

6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

1 Cam Newton 75

2 Steve Young 43

3 Jack Kemp 40

4 Kordell Stewart 38

5 (tie)Tobin Rote 37

  Steve McNair 37

7 Michael Vick 36

8 (tie)Steve Grogan 35

   Randall Cunningham 35

10 (tie)Daunte Culpepper 34

   Aaron Rodgers 34

Jack Kemp had 40??? Wow. 

[fergie's ire]

7 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Happy Anniversary to “givin’ him the business down there!”

 

Ohhhhh....so Wilkins on Allen was just trying to make an early anniversary homage?  

 

[Low Positive]

21 minutes ago, JMM said:

Jack Kemp had 40??? Wow. 

Now you made me go look up Jack Kemp’s stats. So much there to unpack, but his career high was 8 rushing TDs in 1963. That year he had 50 carries for 239 yards. Those must have mostly been goalline scores and 3-1 QB sneaks.

 

Whats more interesting is that in 1964, as we all know, the Bills won the AFL championship. What I didn’t know was that the starting QB, Jack Kemp. had a completion percentage of just over 44%.  He had 13 passing TDs but 26 INTs! Thise numbers get you cut now, but back then it got you into the Pro Bowl.

[SoCal Deek]

22 minutes ago, JMM said:

Jack Kemp had 40??? Wow. 

You beat me to it! I honestly thought that was a spoof to see if anyone on here would catch it. Is that actually true? They must’ve all been QB sneaks at the goal line. 

[fergie's ire]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

I think I read somewhere that the ball slipped out of Josh’s hand…am I dreaming?  I haven’t gone back to watch the play.

 

Maybe.  To me it looks like his lead foot also gets stuck in the turf.  He rotates from looking at the middle of the end zone to McKenzie on the right side.  His foot only makes it half way.  Fatigue likely played a part.

[ToGoGo]

4 hours ago, eball said:

 

“Remember the Jags” — the mantra for every sad sack Bills fan in existence.

 

 

"I love this team, but the coaching staff makes me nervous!"

[Low Positive]

4 hours ago, eball said:

 

“Remember the Jags” — the mantra for every sad sack Bills fan in existence.

 

 

[Beck Water]

21 hours ago, appoo said:

If McDermott wants a real running game then tell him to go tell Beane to get him an actual starting quality NFL RB

 

The best running back in the world needs an OL that is well-coached and filling their assignments, keeping defenders off of him

There's a reason that year after year, NE was able to plug other team's discards, no-names and late round picks in and have a servicable run game - behind the meticulously coached machine that was the NE OL under Coach Scar

 

If McDermott wants a real running game, since he can't get Coach Scar, tell him to get an actual starting quality NFL OL

 

Josh would also run less if he weren't constantly having to evade defenders

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

10 hours ago, Beck Water said:

By this logic, the Ravens had a very successful 9:29 minute, 93 yd drive in the 4Q on Sunday.

Guess we weren't shutting them down at all...

 

Oh Wait, they didn't get points out of it.  We did.

They were definitely moving the ball that drive. The rest of the half, not so much. 

Allen was definitely moving the ball vs. Miami all game. Had issues getting in the end zone and even kicking FG's.  

[Logic]

I'd bet two loonies and a toonie that most of the starters are riding the bench by the 4th quarter.

[Greg S]

7 minutes ago, Logic said:

I'd bet two loonies and a toonie that most of the starters are riding the bench by the 4th quarter.

 

Agree. For a 1:00 start I think outcome of this game will be decided sometime between 2:30 and 3:00. There will (should) be a decent amount of garbage time in the 2nd half.

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, JMM said:

Jack Kemp had 40??? Wow. 

 

That was my first thought too haha

[Big Turk]

27 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

The best running back in the world needs an OL that is well-coached and filling their assignments, keeping defenders off of him

There's a reason that year after year, NE was able to plug other team's discards, no-names and late round picks in and have a servicable run game - behind the meticulously coached machine that was the NE OL under Coach Scar

 

If McDermott wants a real running game, since he can't get Coach Scar, tell him to get an actual starting quality NFL OL

 

Josh would also run less if he weren't constantly having to evade defenders

 

It's little details right now that are killing the Bills in the run game mostly...I think by midseason we start seeing a big improvement once guys get comfortable executing those details better and understanding how things change in certain situations

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

You beat me to it! I honestly thought that was a spoof to see if anyone on here would catch it. Is that actually true? They must’ve all been QB sneaks at the goal line. 

 

Its real.  You can see his career stats at pro football reference

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, arcane said:

I believe the others are all messed up snaps, 2 of them with van roten

 

Yes, the messed-up snap from Morse in the Ravens game was scored as a fumble.  I think you're right there are 2 from Van Roten.

[Beck Water]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

It's little details right now that are killing the Bills in the run game mostly...I think by midseason we start seeing a big improvement once guys get comfortable executing those details better and understanding how things change in certain situations

 

The little details are definitely a huge part of it. 

 

I made a listing of all 14 RB runs from the Ravens game.  I consider 3.3 Y/A to be a successful run play (moves the chains!) so if we look a 3 yd or greater run as a success (averaging to 3.3) we have 5 unsuccessful run plays, and 9 successful.  If we could just switch a couple of the unsuccessful run plays to the "success" column and get a few extra yards here and there, it would surely help.

[Warriorspikes51]

Hoping for a 5 takeaways performance from the Defense 

[Since1981]

6 hours ago, CSBill said:

1 Cam Newton 75

2 Steve Young 43

That’s a huge drop off from Cam!
I hadn’t realized the scale to #2. Let’s hope our guy is more Forever Young and less Fig Newton 

[Warriorspikes51]

7 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

That’s a huge drop off from Cam!
I hadn’t realized the scale to #2. Let’s hope our guy is more Forever Young and less Fig Newton 

 

Allen has 33 now? 

Let's figure he gets 7 more this season.  Gets him to 40.   
If he plays until 36, that's apprx 10 more seasons. 
Let's be conservative and say he averages 4 per season 
That gets him to 80 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Scott7975]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Yeah yeah yeah that was all threatened before Cam Heyward. You are old to the party.

[Beck Water]

16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

This is why I'm not in favor of shows like Kyle Brandt's Basement and the Go Long/Isaiah McKenzie show

 

The hosts build a rappore with their featured guest week by week and keep at it until they draw them out to say controversial stuff.

Then they take it out of context to fluff things up.

 

Didn't Pittsburgh make a point of saying if Josh Allen tried to run they would "treat him like a running back" last season, or was that another team?

[Special K]

6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

 

Yeah yeah yeah that was all threatened before Cam Heyward. You are old to the party.

 

I remember Steelers players and coaches saying crap like that last year:

 

"If he runs it like a running back, we're going to hit him like a running back."

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

They were definitely moving the ball that drive. The rest of the half, not so much. 

Allen was definitely moving the ball vs. Miami all game. Had issues getting in the end zone and even kicking FG's.  

 

My point is that passing yards are historically, negatively correlated with winning for just that reason: teams can pass a lot but if they have trouble getting into the end zone one way or another, the yards don't matter.

 

[MasterStrategist]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

This is why I'm not in favor of shows like Kyle Brandt's Basement and the Go Long/Isaiah McKenzie show

 

The hosts build a rappore with their featured guest week by week and keep at it until they draw them out to say controversial stuff.

Then they take it out of context to fluff things up.

 

Didn't Pittsburgh make a point of saying if Josh Allen tried to run they would "treat him like a running back" last season, or was that another team?

Yes that was the Steeler game last year.

 

But honestly, we didn't lose that game because of some talk show/etc.  We lost it because:

1. in the trenches, our OL specifically, played horrible

2. Daboll adjusted too late from our empty sets, to try running the ball/playaction under center.

3. Blocked punt for 6

4. Levi was called for a couple critical PI, on 50/50 jump balls to Claypool.

 

Of the above, I'm hopeful Dorsey adjusts accordingly and it already helps that TJnis out for them.  I'd be ready for the 50/50 passes again, Dane and Elam just need to get their heads around to make plays.

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

If it were up to me. I would pick the all whites (current) for preseason home games and the home opener. Pick one home game for all whites (throwback) and then every other home game including playoffs it would be blue over white.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

They were definitely moving the ball that drive. The rest of the half, not so much. 

Allen was definitely moving the ball vs. Miami all game. Had issues getting in the end zone and even kicking FG's.  

 

Ravens basically had one good drive the 2nd half.  Including their last drive of the first half prior to us scoring the TD to make it 20-10, their remaining possessions went:

 

3 plays, 5 yards, PUNT

1 play, -1 yard  EOH Kneeldown (after we scored the TD)

3 plays, -5 yards PUNT

5 plays, 18 yards PUNT

7 plays, 23 yards INT

14 plays, 93 yards INT

 

So outside the kneeldown they ran 32 plays for 134 yards or an average of 4.18 yards per play.

 

Even looking back further, the Ravens only had two really good drives the whole game.  The 81 yarder for their 2nd TD and the 93 yarder he threw the INT on.  Other than those and the initial 2 play 4 yard TD the Bills gifted them, they ran 34 plays for 91 yards or an average of 2.67 yards a play.

 

Bills D really for the most part held Baltimore in check outside of two drives.

 

Bills O on the other hand was rolling other than the one drive they had on Poyer's 1st INT at midfield...only drive from their 1st TD on that was under 9 plays and 51 yards. Can't really blame Harbaugh on not taking 3 with the Bills picking up steam after the slow start.

 

Edited October 6, 2022 by Big Turk

[DapperCam]

26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Cam Heyward has a silky smooth baritone voice. He should read audiobooks or go into radio.

[GoBills808]

down to -8

 

almost time to jump in