Bright spot: the running backs

[Success]

Singletary is just so consistently good.  100% effort on every play - big runs, and nice catches that he turns into good gains.

 

Moss was being pretty maligned - but he had a GREAT run in the 2nd half, and then a pretty big 3rd down conversion.

 

Cook looked great, both running & catching passes.  Today was the guy I expected when we drafted him.

 

It would be good if we could get more of a running game actually going, consistently.  I think we have the talent to do it.  A lot will come down to the blocking schemes, but I thought all 3 guys gave a great effort today and showed some skills.

 

[mrags]

Singletary was terrible running the ball today. And he caught everything but also had some terrible decisions on where he should go with the ball in his hands and hesitancy which was always his issue. 
 

have to disagree with you on just about everything here today. Our backs are not good 

[Solomon Grundy]

5 minutes ago, Success said:

Singletary is just so consistently good.  100% effort on every play - big runs, and nice catches that he turns into good gains.

 

Moss was being pretty maligned - but he had a GREAT run in the 2nd half, and then a pretty big 3rd down conversion.

 

Cook looked great, both running & catching passes.  Today was the guy I expected when we drafted him.

 

It would be good if we could get more of a running game actually going, consistently.  I think we have the talent to do it.  A lot will come down to the blocking schemes, but I thought all 3 guys gave a great effort today and showed some skills.

 

You are being facetious, aren't you? 

[Aussie Joe]

Our running game gets a lot of respect from the opposition 

[Success]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

You are being facetious, aren't you? 

 

I'm not!  I like how all 3 played.  I probably should have worded things differently, though - we really need to run more. These guys all have talent.

 

[ColoradoBills]

No game (in recent Bills history) shows that the Bills need to work on the running game more than what we saw today.

It goes a lot deeper than the individual RB stats.

 

The passing game does work but no team can be one sided.   Dorsey needs to address the elephant in the room.

[zow2]

James Cook is still a ball of nerves out h there.  But once he settle down, he will be much much better.

 

Moss gets no respect but i like him.  2nd and goal from the one inch line late in the game give him the ball to plow ahead, and if not give it to him on 3rd and 4th down too.  Just a mistake not to.  He knows where the end zone is.

[mrags]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

I'm not!  I like how all 3 played.  I probably should have worded things differently, though - we really need to run more. These guys all have talent.

 

They also paint a picture for the defense as they know what’s happening when they see certain guys on offense. 
 

for example, you aren’t running the ball if Cook is on the field. So the defense can expect a passing play and would be correct probably 99% of the time. 
 

 

[Big Blitz]

We need play action to be part of the attack.....when we get pass happy we do ourselves no favors.   The defense needs to be kept honest. 

 

The Dolphins Dline just pinned their ears back.  We really need Morse back.

 

 

We ran 83 plays.

 

Josh threw or ran the ball on 71 of them.  

 

By the 4th Q the Dolphins knew what we were doing.  

[mrags]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

No game (in recent Bills history) shows that the Bills need to work on the running game more than what we saw today.

It goes a lot deeper than the individual RB stats.

 

The passing game does work but no team can be one sided.   Dorsey needs to address the elephant in the room.

He has to convince Beane to draft an actual good one for once?

[Warcodered]

Also Groot is a big ass tree person, and is a pretty good DE.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

He has to convince Beane to draft an actual good one for once?

 

While the talent at RB can be debated, I truly believe that the running game has not been schemed and the effort

has not nearly been invested compared to the passing game.

 

Don't get me wrong, the passing game takes priority, it's just that you have to show a capable running game to defenses.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

The running scheme is killing me. 
 

Not sure why we can’t draw up some of the same running plays that Miami ran today with the misdirection. Not that they ran super well, but there were at least some lanes for the back. 

[JoshAllin]

Running up the middle with this center is a mistake, once Moss hit the outside is where things opened up

[Simon]

 

I thought Motor had an awful day; very uncharacteristic of him.

[SCBills]

11 minutes ago, mrags said:

Singletary was terrible running the ball today. And he caught everything but also had some terrible decisions on where he should go with the ball in his hands and hesitancy which was always his issue. 
 

have to disagree with you on just about everything here today. Our backs are not good 

James Cook looked like a weapon.  
 

The other two are just JAG running backs. 
 

Should acknowledge though.. Moss had the big run and made a big time conversion when he was dead to rights. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

The running scheme is killing me. 
 

Not sure why we can’t draw up some of the same running plays that Miami ran today with the misdirection. Not that they ran super well, but there were at least some lanes for the back. 

 

Dorsey seems to be a wizard at the passing attack.  He needs to ask for input from his assistants in the running game.

What I just said is being speculative, but I think I could be right.

[Roundybout]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I thought Motor had an awful day; very uncharacteristic of him.

 

Agreed. Took a lot of weird angles and was very hesitant with the ball in his hands. 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I thought Motor had an awful day; very uncharacteristic of him.

 

I only seen a tight tv screen (even on the replay) but it seems Devin missed a block that caused JAs "fumble" on the Bills 10.

[Nelius]

I don’t understand why Moss doesn’t get goal line attempts. McD even said before the game that our backs “all have slightly different strengths” but it looks to me like we just have 3 dressed backs that we use in exactly the same way.

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I only seen a tight tv screen (even on the replay) but it seems Devin missed a block that caused JAs "fumble" on the Bills 10.

 Yeah, Dawkins got beat and Motor was late to help; although that is not his primary responsibility there so I can't give him too much grief on that play.

[OZBILLS]

Cook is getting there. I think we're a tad harsh on him.

[JoshAllin]

As long as the RB's could keep this up, 14 catches 118 yrds 1 td, the run game should be kept at minimum or how they currently use them

Edited September 26, 2022 by motorj

[Sweats]

Our running backs are shite.......what game were you watching?

 

Motor is good.........sometimes

Moss is good.........sometimes

Cook...........don't know, don't care

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 Yeah, Dawkins got beat and Motor was late to help; although that is not his primary responsibility there so I can't give him too much grief on that play.

 

It's just one play.  I'm guessing that when fans ask why Moss is in more than they think he should, this could be a reason.

Let me add I'm not unduly criticizing Devin, I'm just adding to what the RB responsibilities are.

[badassgixxer05]

16 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I thought Motor had an awful day; very uncharacteristic of him.

running the ball, 100%. Catching the ball, he was our leading receiver so id say he did pretty good there...

[OZBILLS]

6 minutes ago, Sweats said:

Our running backs are shite.......what game were you watching?

 

Motor is good.........sometimes

Moss is good.........sometimes

Cook...........don't know, don't care

[Ross Murdock]

Who starts these topics? Some one looking to aggravate after a tough loss. The Bills running game (Without Allen's numbers) is next to last in the NFL. Look at NFL Savant stats. It couldn't be worse. And it's killing the Bills. It's nice that Singletary catches some passes, but that does nothing to help the Bills when they need to give the O-Line a break once and a while (Like today). Or use the clock, or keep opposing D-Lines from just teeing off on Josh. Bills don't get a running game soon, they are in trouble. Jut listen to McDermott after today's game. I'll believe the coach over posters. Motor's back to where he was this time last year running the ball.. Only he's worse.     

[SirAndrew]

I love this team, and don’t like being negative realizing this is our glory days. However, I’m not a huge fan of these backs. Cook’s potential is the lone bright spot. Moss had a nice long run, but even his best plays are frustrating. Replace Moss with someone like Edwards-Helaire in KC, and you have a much bigger gain. An offense like this needs a game breaker in the backfield, neither Moss or Singletary fit the bill.  

[DrPJax]

38 minutes ago, Success said:

Singletary is just so consistently good.  100% effort on every play - big runs, and nice catches that he turns into good gains.

 

Moss was being pretty maligned - but he had a GREAT run in the 2nd half, and then a pretty big 3rd down conversion.

 

Cook looked great, both running & catching passes.  Today was the guy I expected when we drafted him.

 

It would be good if we could get more of a running game actually going, consistently.  I think we have the talent to do it.  A lot will come down to the blocking schemes, but I thought all 3 guys gave a great effort today and showed some skills.

 

Good points , but you are cherry picking a little. Motor avg under 2 yards a carry.  He was good in catching passes but his yac is not very good.  Moss had two good plays over three games basically. Cook has potential , as a receiver, and his run game is yet to be determined. I don’t blame the backs.  It’s three years now without an effective run game you can DEPEND ON in the red zone and short yardage situations. It results in all the pressure being on Josh and in the red zone the passing windows tighten and in critical , one posession games , other than the KC game, it has resulted in game losing mistakes. 
 

Until the Bills stop the rb by committee thing with guys getting less than 10 touches a game , I think we will keep seeing losses in one possession games.  Even analysts like Jason Garrett said today the Bills are relying too much on Josh ; 90 offensive plays and losing is unheard of.  When will this staff learn they need to do more to help these backs succeed?  I agree with you that they prob have enough raw talent to be ok , but right now there is no possible way you can honestly say you can depend on this run game in critical situations. That also affects the passing game as it hurts play action.  If you have to depend on blowouts to win , it’s unlikely you will win a Lombardi because most games in the NFL are not blowouts. .

[Kwai San]

1 hour ago, Ross Murdock said:

Who starts these topics? Some one looking to aggravate after a tough loss. The Bills running game (Without Allen's numbers) is next to last in the NFL. Look at NFL Savant stats. It couldn't be worse. And it's killing the Bills. It's nice that Singletary catches some passes, but that does nothing to help the Bills when they need to give the O-Line a break once and a while (Like today). Or use the clock, or keep opposing D-Lines from just teeing off on Josh. Bills don't get a running game soon, they are in trouble. Jut listen to McDermott after today's game. I'll believe the coach over posters. Motor's back to where he was this time last year running the ball.. Only he's worse.     

 

Ummmm....lets look at time of possession please...agree it wasn't due to the running game but the possession time was strongly in the Bills favor.

[Solomon Grundy]

I'm on Bijan Robinson watch!! The Bills need a RB who can find the correct hole and hit it. Also have the power to move the pile

Edited September 26, 2022 by Solomon Grundy

[ArtVandalay]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

James Cook looked like a weapon.  
 

The other two are just JAG running backs. 
 

Should acknowledge though.. Moss had the big run and made a big time conversion when he was dead to rights. 

Truer words have never been spoken. 100%.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

James Cook looked like a weapon.  
 

The other two are just JAG running backs. 
 

Should acknowledge though.. Moss had the big run and made a big time conversion when he was dead to rights. 

The problem with Cook is that he's too light in the arse to pass protect. Nor does he have the power to move a pile. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

No matter what Cook can be this team is obsessed with unnecessary rotations and you’ll never see what he can do either way

[DJB]

RB still suck. Get a damn BELL cow please!

 

3 headed monster of crap doesn’t work

[whorlnut]

3 hours ago, Success said:

Singletary is just so consistently good.  100% effort on every play - big runs, and nice catches that he turns into good gains.

 

Moss was being pretty maligned - but he had a GREAT run in the 2nd half, and then a pretty big 3rd down conversion.

 

Cook looked great, both running & catching passes.  Today was the guy I expected when we drafted him.

 

It would be good if we could get more of a running game actually going, consistently.  I think we have the talent to do it.  A lot will come down to the blocking schemes, but I thought all 3 guys gave a great effort today and showed some skills.

 

This is sarcasm right?

[Solomon Grundy]

13 minutes ago, DJB said:

RB still suck. Get a damn BELL cow please!

 

3 headed monster of crap doesn’t work

McCaffrey had 25 carries for crying out loud. Chuba had 3

[Billsforumsucks]

Had 500 yards of offense AND 41 minutes of possession time. Had nothing to do with the running game. JA fumble, Bass FG miss, JA missed 5 yard and out on 4th down, 3rd string center (cost us points and the end of each half). Any of those plays go different, we win. Where was Crowder to help in the 2nd half? 

 

This game had zero issues with the running game, none. If you can have 500 yards and 41 possession minutes there is not a single game that should be lost.